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It's an AP feat in a non-combat applicable way. But not striking strength or durability.
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Possible Dragon Ball (pre-Z) upgrade revolving around Kami
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But the same could be said for Shin creating StarsDarkDragonMedeus said:
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I'm fine with removing that justification for Shin.Adem Warlock69 said:
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It contradicts that Kami cannot destroy Piccolo Jr who isn't moon level. Dragon's reality warping hax is not treated as their creator's AP. Dragons have far more powers than their creators through feats. Feats > statements.
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Goku,Vegeta, Gohan,Dabura and Probably Cell would also lose their Large Star level+Damage3245 said:
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Creating feats are AP if they use their energy to create them. But it's not always when they use reality warping/wish granting.
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Do we even know he used the Dragon balls to restore the moon?
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Shouldn't kami gets a "possibly 5-C"? As we don't know if he or Shenron did it.
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So I guess this isn't getting accepted?
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5-C Shenron seems likely, it's just too vague for Kami.
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Edit: Nvm, that was Porunga who restored Namek. I guess this is concluded.
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I thought New Namek was the recreated Namek, but after looking it up, nvm again.
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Possibly 5-C kami could work
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That was rejected FRA
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5-C Kami would be an outlier? When the next feat is Piccolo's 5-C feat and there is a 5-C statement with Goku?
Also, doesn't it take a year to use the dragon balls again? It's unlikely to have been Shenron then, as for occam's razor, well considering Kami also has creation as an ability and there is never any mention of Shenron doing such a thing.
+ Shenron's weakness: "and cannot grant the same wish more than once" so its just impossible.
Also, doesn't it take a year to use the dragon balls again? It's unlikely to have been Shenron then, as for occam's razor, well considering Kami also has creation as an ability and there is never any mention of Shenron doing such a thing.
+ Shenron's weakness: "and cannot grant the same wish more than once" so its just impossible.
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Oh yeah, SD makes good points. Back to being neutral again. Also, Piccolo's next feat is 5-B currently. And I did mention Goku's statement.
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Sorry, edited comment.
I added that its actually impossible to have been Shenron since that goes against one his weaknesses on doing the same wish more than once.
I added that its actually impossible to have been Shenron since that goes against one his weaknesses on doing the same wish more than once.
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Actually, the first wish was reviving those killed by King Piccolo, and also; Goku was training for three years in which it happens during the time skip, so it could have been one year after the first wish. Again, neutral, but actually pointing out another detail.
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So the suggestion is that he found all 7 without the dragon radar in approx 1 - 2 years (remember that the balls are reused again by the Piccolo Jr. saga), used said balls and none of the Z-Fighters noticed?
+ What I added about it literally being impossible with Shenron's weakness.
+ What I added about it literally being impossible with Shenron's weakness.
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Oh yeah, it's true that the whole world would have to noticed the black clouds covering the planet and the password suggests only Z-Fighters may use them now.
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The moon was recreated in the 3 years time when Kami was training Goku (that's plenty of time), and Kami made a recreated Shenron after his death so I'm not even sure of it would be inert for a whole year since it was reset.
Shenron's limitation is that he can't revive a person more than once, not that he can't grant the same wish more than once.
Shenron's limitation is that he can't revive a person more than once, not that he can't grant the same wish more than once.
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Can't we call them the Dragon Team? Z Fighters was never used in the series anyway?
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Shenron was destroyed by a casual Ki blast from youth restored king Piccolo who is City Level in manga and daizenshu states his power is like that of a nuclear bomb
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Yes, we know Shenron is a glass cannon. And SD is bringing up some good points, but so is AKM Sama countering them. So it seems like it's back to being divided.
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So I guess this really comes down to whether we agree if Kami restored the Moon directly, or if he used Shenron.
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That description was about the normal Kamehameha, and it was clearly just calling back to Master Roshi's outlier feat.DarkDragonMedeus said:
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@Kep Pretty sure it was the Super Kamehameha, while it was a callback it doesn't dispute the power its being described to have.
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The dragon balls were used just before the training (leaving them inert for a year into the training) and used during the tournament (meaning they couldn't have been used for the last year of the training). So its really at most 1 years time and it would have had to been without anyone noticing, which again, is unlikely given that Kami lacks the dragon radar and would have turned the whole world black.
According to his profile, that is a weakness. If I remember correctly that's the reason he can't bring back the dead twice.
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The dragon balls were used just before the training (leaving them inert for a year into the training) and used during the tournament (meaning they couldn't have been used for the last year of the training). So its really at most 1 years time and it would have had to been without anyone noticing, which again, is unlikely given that Kami lacks the dragon radar and would have turned the whole world black.
According to his profile, that is a weakness. If I remember correctly that's the reason he can't bring back the dead twice.
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Woah woah If we don't know how he restored the moon then shouldn't he get a possibly
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> Pretty sure it was the Super Kamehameha, while it was a callback it doesn't dispute the power its being described to have.
The description was under the Super Kamehameha section, but the part where it calls the Kamehameha moon-busting is referring to the power of its normal counterpart. It is meant to be read like this:
Unless Roshi is 5-C now, this quote is just calling back to an outlier.
The description was under the Super Kamehameha section, but the part where it calls the Kamehameha moon-busting is referring to the power of its normal counterpart. It is meant to be read like this:
- "The Super Kamehameha is an extra-power version of the normal Kamehameha, which [already] destroyed even the moon!"
Unless Roshi is 5-C now, this quote is just calling back to an outlier.
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