Pokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon

[CloverDragon03]

Man I said this before

Pokemon profiles are proposed to be treated as species profiles. Under such a case, they'd naturally have Varies ratings since not every member of a species is gonna be the exact same. That's the reasoning

 

[omegabronic]

Man I said this before

Pokemon profiles are proposed to be treated as species profiles. Under such a case, they'd naturally have Varies ratings since not every member of a species is gonna be the exact same. That's the reasoning

but isn't the argument that Legendaries are not species?

 

[Arceus0x]

varies ratings can only be used if there is a canonical reasoning for the varied statistics......is there one here?

Levels and overall power variation throughout the series?

 

[omegabronic]

Levels

are levels even considered cannon?

and overall power variation throughout the series?

is there a reason to such power variation other than inconsistent showings?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

are levels even considered cannon?

They've been referenced a few times throughout various pieces of Pokémon media, including animes and manga, so probably, I guess.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

as you can see above we already discussing it. We could likely apply a varies tier based on some consistent showings of level and power variation, or just use the most consistent showings for them across the media.

This. Which is why I proposed this for legendaries

So to give my opinion on the legendary scaling aspect of this, I believe it would be a more effective approach to treat them on a case by case basis, since not even all legendaries have the same power scaling confusions as others.

Back before splitting the canons was done, to my memory, we tiered legendaries according to the general depiction of them across all medias and took the most consistent depiction of them out of said medias, to determine if them being X tier for Y reasons was solid, or if it was inconsistent, and why for either/or. That kind of approach could be done for each legendary and they can be tiered a certain way depending on their particular case.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Levels and overall power variation throughout the series?

Btw this is not a reason. You need something stated in-universe. "Power variation" can just be another term for "inconsistency" (which we know the anime alone has loads of), and "levels" seem to more so indicate that multiples of some species exist

 

[Lou_change]

Back before splitting the canons was done, to my memory, we tiered legendaries according to the general depiction of them across all medias and took the most consistent depiction of them out of said medias, to determine if them being X tier for Y reasons was solid, or if it was inconsistent, and why for either/or. That kind of approach could be done for each legendary and they can be tiered a certain way depending on their particular case.

If they are inconsistent regarding power then why would we not just index different versions separately especially if they are different in other ways

 

[omegabronic]

if you guys accept "species" of legendaries, we can do what Digimon does for the species that show greater scalling, example here

i think a "X rating, up to Y rating for stronger members of the species" could work, of course, only if Legendaries are considered species

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

if you guys accept "species" of legendaries, we can do what Digimon does for the species that show greater scalling, example here

i think a "X rating, up to Y rating for stronger members of the species" could work, of course, only if Legendaries are considered species

I think this might be the best approach for legendaries who aren’t like the creation trio, light trio, etc etc

 

[omegabronic]

I think this might be the best approach for legendaries who aren’t like the creation trio, light trio, etc etc

If those don't have species then we need to solve them as well

 

[CloverDragon03]

If those don't have species then we need to solve them as well

For the Creation Trio, Lake Guardians, and Arceus, there's only one of them so easy peasy

 

[omegabronic]

For the Creation Trio, Lake Guardians, and Arceus, there's only one of them so easy peasy

Yeah, maybe separate them by avatars? Dunno of that is enough reasoning tho