Pokemon - Arceus and his Plate abilities?

[Hasty12345]

That will be offset with huge power

I can add it but too many abilities offset it with perks I wouldn't call that a weakness at all

Huge power only boosts attack

Slow start halves attack and speed

 

[Faron25]

You keep going back to the original one. This is about the plates.

Obviously I refer to the Original One, he is the source of the power on the plates. The plates have his power (the power absorbed from the Giants) in them. If you want to explain the power of the Plates you need to talk about the Original One.

 

[Hasty12345]

How can Arceus use the plates if he has klutz? He can’t wield/use any items if he has that ability

Truant even forces Arceus to allow himself to get hit because he can only attack “every other turn”

 

[Hasty12345]

You want to say Arceus has every ability ever shown by a Pokémon, but I also bet you’ll show proof or attempt to prove Arceus doesn’t have Klutz (which I’d imagine is super easy given he holds and uses the plates), he doesn’t have truant (which again super easy given he’s never depicted as jobbing due to an inate passive ability).

it’s very clear Arceus doesn’t demonstrate every ability in the verse, even if he can use the powers of every type. And contextually, why would the strongest being in existence even need huge power or speed boost or any ability? Nothing in the verse can even approach him in power or speed, so having all these useless abilities Pokémon have makes no sense.

and you don’t get to cherry-pick, he either has ALL abilities, or what he’s shown to have or is provable he has.

 

[Sniper670]

He does, on account of the plates having all powers. Which has already been noted


He doesn't demonstrate ≠ he doesn't have. Arceus special ability is that it allows him to use the powers of all Pokémon

Go make a crt to downgrade Slime because he's not passively killing everyone in the verse

 

[Hasty12345]

He does, on account of the plates having all powers. Which has already been noted


He doesn't demonstrate ≠ he doesn't have. Arceus special ability is that it allows him to use the powers of all Pokémon

Go make a crt to downgrade Slime because he's not passively killing everyone in the verse

idc about slime, this is about llama god.

Arecus cannot have klutz and use the plates.... Arecus has never demonstrated he's bound by the truant ability (but i guess he doesn't need to demonstrate it coz legend plate just grants it to him).

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Just pointing that Arceus being able to use all abilities on the verse =/= Arceus is always using all the abilities on the verse.

Arceus can use Slow Start, Truant, Contrary, etc. Yeah. But he doesn't have to use them obligatorily

 

[Hasty12345]

Just pointing that Arceus being able to use all abilities on the verse =/= Arceus is always using all the abilities on the verse.

Arceus can use Slow Start, Truant, Contrary, etc. Yeah. But he doesn't have to use them obligatorily

Then Arceus needs like all his passives removed and noted to be activation based unlike other pokemon (that rely on pokemon abilities), as he has to willingly activate his abilities.

 

[Sniper670]

Then Arceus needs like all his passives removed and noted to be activation based unlike other pokemon (that rely on pokemon abilities), as he has to willingly activate his abilities.

Everyone's passives are activation based and stays on.

There's nothing of note here. As I said before, even Rimuru's bazillion passives are activation based and stays on. Anos is another example

 

[Hasty12345]

Everyone's passives are activation based and stays on.

There's nothing of note here. As I said before, even Rimuru's bazillion passives are activation based and stays on. Anos is another example

Rimuru has nothing to do with Arceus.

Arceus demonstrably does not have klutz, nor truant and I find this idea "he needs to turn on his abilities" a ridiculous work around to maintain your faulty position. Aside from multitype, can you in any way show one instance of Arceus using another ability (as the term is defined and used in pokemon)?

 

[Sniper670]

Alright. Then I guess we are done here.

 

[Sniper670]

I called ant. He'd review the votes and close or call mods. Whatever works

 

[Hasty12345]

Alright. Then I guess we are done here.

Rimuru has nothing to do with Arceus.

Arceus demonstrably does not have klutz, nor truant and I find this idea "he needs to turn on his abilities" a ridiculous work around to maintain your faulty position. Aside from multitype, can you in any way show one instance of Arceus using another ability (as the term is defined and used in pokemon)?

 

[Sniper670]

He still has the powers no? Yes. He does

That's enough. You can take your grievances elsewhere

 

[Zencha9]

Then Arceus needs like all his passives removed and noted to be activation based unlike other pokemon (that rely on pokemon abilities), as he has to willingly activate his abilities.

Or you know yeet the lol passive hax lords by specifying these passives that need to be turned on shouldn't be the standard assumption

 

[Hasty12345]

He still has the powers no? Yes. He does

That's enough. You can take your grievances elsewhere

So can you provide just one example of Arceus using an ability that's not multitype?

 

[Sniper670]

So can you provide just one example of Arceus using an ability that's not multitype?

His ability "Multitype" allows him to use the powers of others.

That's all. And fits his character as the God of his multiverse

 

[Hasty12345]

His ability "Multitype" allows him to use the powers of others.

That's all. And fits his character as the God of his multiverse

ahh yes. I remember that wiki standard where creating something grants you all their hax and abilities when there's proof proving otherwise.

 

[Hasty12345]

we should ask @Antvasima what the standard on this scenario is:

ahh yes. I remember that wiki standard where creating something grants you all their hax and abilities when there's proof proving otherwise.

 

[Sniper670]

ahh yes. I remember that wiki standard where creating something grants you all their hax and abilities when there's proof proving otherwise.

For Arceus, it's explicitly mentioned he has them

So no, we don't assume without supporting evidence

 

[Sniper670]

we should ask @Antvasima what the standard on this scenario is:

This has no effect on Arceus whatsoever as its directly mentioned he has these powers

 

[Sniper670]

Seriously are you even addressing the plates anymore?

I feel you're getting lost on the premise of this crt entirely

 

[Hasty12345]

you mean this?


Legend Plate
A stone tablet in which the power of all things resides. When used on a Pokémon, it gains the power of all types of Pokémon

right?

iirc, "type" in pokemon refers to the attributes right? like Fire, Water, Rock, etc...

So Arecus has the power of all types of Pokemon. Not all innate Pokemon abilities he literally doesn't have.

 

[Sniper670]

you mean this?


Legend Plate
A stone tablet in which the power of all things resides. When used on a Pokémon, it gains the power of all types of Pokémon

right?

iirc, "type" in pokemon refers to the attributes right? like Fire, Water, Rock, etc...

So Arecus has the power of all types of Pokemon. Not all innate Pokemon abilities he literally doesn't have.

Yes. This allows him to use the powers of all types of Pokémon

Innate ability is also born from the Typings. Flash Fire for instance complements the fire type, as it allows Pokémon to boost their fire type moves. Some Pokémon can passively summon rain, sun

Where do you think these powers of theirs are coming from btw

Stop trying to find arbitrary distinction. The plates is all inclusive. As even the shards of the entire multiverse is one of the essence of the plates.

 

[Hasty12345]

Yes. This allows him to use the powers of all types of Pokémon

Innate ability is also born from the Typings. Flash Fire for instance complements the fire type, as it allows Pokémon to boost their fire type moves. Some Pokémon can passively summon rain, sun

Where tf do you think these powers of theirs are coming from btw

Stop trying to find arbitrary distinction. The plates is all inclusive. As even the shards of the entire multiverse is one of the essence of the plates.

I'm not making any arbitrary distinctions. Not all fire types have flash fire.

The verse is also incredibly specific with it's language and definitions, "Type" does not mean "abilities". You're stretching the definition to be all encompassing when it's factually incredibly specific.

 

[Sniper670]

I'm not making any arbitrary distinctions. Not all fire types have flash fire.

The verse is also incredibly specific with it's language and definitions, "Type" does not mean "abilities". You're stretching the definition to be all encompassing when it's factually incredibly specific.

The power of all things

The plates are very clear that the god of the multiverse can do whatever anyone can

 

[Hasty12345]

It's so painfully obvious the legends plate and the plates only refer to granting types and boosts to the respective types of moves (and in the LP's case change Arecus' effective type in battle).

 

[Sniper670]

You're missing a very important detail. Pokémon powers are being given to them by the plates

So yes, Arceus has all power on account he can wield it

 

[Hasty12345]

The power of all things

The plates are very clear that the god of the multiverse can do whatever anyone can

No, they're very clear he can use the powers of every type, not every ability.

 

[Hasty12345]

You're missing a very important detail. Pokémon powers are being given to them by the plates

So yes, Arceus has all power on account he can wield it

Their types are given to them by the plates.

 

[Sniper670]

Their types are given to them by the plates.

Alright. It's you vs the lore here.

The powers of all things are on the plates, you say abilities are not included because you're the ceo of Pokémon?

 

[Sniper670]

No, they're very clear he can use the powers of every type, not every ability.

Power of all things is power of all things.

It's also mentioned on the Plates that the plates determines the abilities of Pokémon

 

[Hasty12345]

Alright. It's you vs the lore here.

The powers of all things are on the plates, you say abilities are not included because you're the ceo of Pokémon?

No, I can see through your bias.

 

[Antvasima]

What are the staff conclusions here so far? And which staff members have contributed here?

 

[Hasty12345]

What are the staff conclusions here so far?

Agrees: 8 Regular + 1 Staff (@Iamunanimousinthat, @Hasty12345, @Rikimarox2, @InfiniteDay, @Paul_Frank, @Comicgyal, @DontTalkDT, @JoshSSJGod, @TheGreatMaster12)

Disagrees: 15 Regular + 1 staff (@Yemma670, @Arceus0x, @Chariot190, @Thelastmlg, @The_Pink_God, @JustANormalPerson01, @hajime, @Robot972, @Moritzva, @ZetaMarishi, @Milly_Rocking_Bandit, @Pikaman, @GodlyCharmander, @Luckyfun , @Faron25 @The_real_cal_howard)

Inconclusive/No Opinion: 3 regular + 1 Staff (@Everything12, Agrees with True Form Arceus having everything), @Purgy (fine with Possibly), @Zencha9 (Agreed with True Form Having it), @Vietthai96)

 

[Sniper670]

It should be noted that Moritzva disagrees on the basis of Eternal Battle Reverie, not of Plates. Same as Executor_N0. DT didn't respond to a reply we gave him.

But I presented a final evidence to convince him.

 

[Sniper670]

Alright, so I got sick of "Eternal Battle Reverie has more evidence than what is written directly on the plates" and became a multilingual as a result. Let's get into this









Before you begin "it means other Pokémon can use it" no, a certain Pokémon "references One Pokémon alone, and that is Arceus. Which is why he's the only one who can use Legend Plate

Pokémon get their 20% boost due to their relationship with the plate, as it is the origin of their powers. To actually exercise the power of all things, the lawful bearer of a Plate is required, and that is Arceus.











No ifs or buts

Which is why Arceus can use water plate to defy the laws of nature, when other Pokémon get trivial 20% boost in Ap. Arceus can nullify all attacks with steel plate, when all other Pokémon get trivial 20% boost in Ap.

A sentient Flame Plate was too much for the Lake Trio, when other Pokémon can only get trivial 20% boost in Ap.

Again. Without the lawful bearer of a Plate wielding and exercising the innate powers within it, 20% Ap increase is too insignificant of a boost to be of any use. Which is why in the manga, even with the trivial 20% boost, what they needed was for Arceus to wield and use said plates to do what they wanted(forgot what it was).

Could you ping staff to this? Especially @Moritzva ? He hasn't seen the evidence presented here

 

[Antvasima]

It should be noted that Moritzva disagrees on the basis of Eternal Battle Reverie, not of Plates. Same as Executor_N0. DT didn't respond to a reply we gave him.

But I presented a final evidence to convince him.

If you quote all of the posts that they need to see, I can ping both DontTalk, Moritzva, and Executor about it.

 

[Sniper670]

Alright, so I got sick of "Eternal Battle Reverie has more evidence than what is written directly on the plates" and became a multilingual as a result. Let's get into this









Before you begin "it means other Pokémon can use it" no, a certain Pokémon "references One Pokémon alone, and that is Arceus. Which is why he's the only one who can use Legend Plate

Pokémon get their 20% boost due to their relationship with the plate, as it is the origin of their powers. To actually exercise the power of all things, the lawful bearer of a Plate is required, and that is Arceus.











No ifs or buts

Which is why Arceus can use water plate to defy the laws of nature, when other Pokémon get trivial 20% boost in Ap. Arceus can nullify all attacks with steel plate, when all other Pokémon get trivial 20% boost in Ap.

A sentient Flame Plate was too much for the Lake Trio, when other Pokémon can only get trivial 20% boost in Ap.

Again. Without the lawful bearer of a Plate wielding and exercising the innate powers within it, 20% Ap increase is too insignificant of a boost to be of any use. Which is why in the manga, even with the trivial 20% boost, what they needed was for Arceus to wield and use said plates to do what they wanted(forgot what it was).

Ping staff to this. It's in direct response to op without beating around the bush. And it addresses most of the things brought up(and repeated)

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT @Moritzva @Executor_N0

What do you think about this?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/arceus-and-his-plate-abilities.141272/post-5041657