Poison's Gender Tag

[The_Impress]

Making a CRT because this ****** gets changed everytime I see it, and people have been greatly offended by it in the past, not to mention it's kinda ehhhh even without that

Proposal is to list Poison as just female.

• Poison is oftentimes cis female in alot of material and Capcom's wildly inconsistent in listing it.
• Let's just presume as well, Poison is trans, great, the wiki lists characters' gender, not sex. Trans Female isn't a gender, Female is. We should still list it female, otherwise it can be interpreted as us making a distinction between cis women and trans women, when we also just... avoid this all.

So yeah, let's not make the file about something it's not, ignore the political commentary suggested by a single damn field and avoid future headaches

 

[SamanPatou]

I agree.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Time to get needlessly offended yet again
But anyways agree

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Agreed

 

[ElixirBlue]

There could be a blog, collecting all the instances of Poison’s gender being mentioned in official material and link it to Poison’s page, hyperlinked over Female.

 

[The_Impress]

There could be a blog, collecting all the instances of Poison’s gender being mentioned in official material and link it to Poison’s page, hyperlinked over Female.

There could also be not.

This isn't LGBTQ+ characters wiki, this is Versus Battles Wiki. Why the absolute **** would we try to tackle that?

 

[ElixirBlue]

There could also be not.

This isn't LGBTQ+ characters wiki, this is Versus Battles Wiki. Why the absolute **** would we try to tackle that?

To avoid the repetition of bringing this up again and again?

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Yeah I agree with this.

 

[The_Impress]

To avoid the repetition of bringing this up again and again?

The CRT alone is needed for that :/

 

[ElixirBlue]

The CRT alone is needed for that :/

Yeah, but I recall this isn’t the first or second time a thread about Poison’s gender has been brought up as a thread onto itself.

 

[The_Impress]

Yeah, but I recall this isn’t the first or second time a thread about Poison’s gender has been brought up as a thread onto itself.

And those times it wasn't resolved.

Hopefully this time it will

 

[Newendigo]

That is a needlessly complicated solution for a simple issue.

I agree with the CRT.

 

[The_Impress]

forgot to tag the solution there, new

 

[Andytrenom]

There are abilities that target a specific sex, so noting what biological sex she is can be useful. I think trans female can stay just for that reason

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

There are abilities that target a specific sex, so noting what biological sex she is can be useful. I think trans female can stay just for that reason

Being perfectly polite and respectful here

She has giant boobs and there is literally no room in that bottom piece for male junk

It is pretty obvious that she's transitioned

 

[Andytrenom]

It could target the chromosomes

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

I'll target your chromosomes

 

[Mr. Bambu]

While Andy's point is theoretically valid (though I fail to think of any examples at the moment), I feel it's a very small percentage of instances where that would even vaguely apply. I don't really give a damn if a character is transitioned or not, their status in the LGBTQ+ community one way or another doesn't really need to be documented for our purposes. Also, would rather avoid political ***** and I feel this is certainly prone to bring said *****.

I agree with the OP.

 

[SamanPatou]

The gender section has nothing to do with biology, though.

 

[The_Impress]

There are abilities that target a specific sex, so noting what biological sex she is can be useful. I think trans female can stay just for that reason

Does the category say "Sex", Andy :/

It doesn't.

Also there are abilities that can do ******* anything, and depend on alot of factors. We don't list entire sections for them, let alone something THIS niche.

It's supplementary information for the character, it has no purpose in vs debating in 99% of the matches

 

[The_Impress]

Anyways I just don't think Andy's point is relevant because the thread is about etiquette, and not indexing, so unless he wants to make the point "this indexing only relevant to a few characters is more important than basic etiquette in many cultures", which I don't think he means to, it's an uninformed opinion and should be discarded.

 

[Armorchompy]

It's very ******* rare for chromosomes to matter in a fight, I totally agree with this change, the way we treat is now is just slightly creepy for no real reason.

 

[Andytrenom]

I want to apologize for my insensitivity regarding this topic. I talked to Zark and now I see why what ai said can be hurtful. That's all, I will not be commenting here further

 

[Damage3245]

So if this thread effectively done now?

 

[The_Impress]

Probably idk

 

[Foxthefox1000]

I wonder what other characters we should apply this to. Vivian is a fun example.

 

[Andytrenom]

Madeline is also listed as trans female currently

Madeline

Why are you so nervous? You can do this. Madeline is the protagonist of Celeste and has gone to Celeste Mountain to climb to the summit. She suffers from depression and anxiety, enduring panic attacks both before and during the events of the game. Tier: 9-A | 9-A, likely 8-C Key: Base | Merged...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Shmooply]

Let's just presume as well, Poison is trans, great, the wiki lists characters' gender, not sex. Trans Female isn't a gender, Female is.

Wait, I thought it was the other way around?
Agree though.

 

[The_Impress]

Wait, I thought it was the other way around?

Nah

 

[AKM sama]

Trans Female isn't a gender

When talking about gender, there aren't just two. Transgender is often referred to as a type.

I personally don't see the issue either way. Whether it is listed as trans female or simply female does not matter. It means the same, the former being more specific. It doesn't have an effect on the contents of the page either way.

I don't think listing it as the former is inviting any political commentary. It becomes political only when people make it and try to find fault with how it's written in any case.

 

[DragonLord]

Trans Women are Women, no difference, end of story, there’s no reason to list it as anything other then just Female

 

[The_Impress]

Can people keep their politics to themselves? I'd rather have this thread end, thank you very much.

When talking about gender, there aren't just two. Transgender is often referred to as a type.

You're confusing two different topics here, gender spectrum isn't related exactly to transgenderism, which is a way to explain someone's gender, not the gender of their choosing.

This'll be having your nationality be listed "emigrant", like that's complementary information to your nationality but it's not relevant to the question at hand.

I personally don't see the issue either way. Whether it is listed as trans female or simply female does not matter. It means the same, the former being more specific. It doesn't have an effect on the contents of the page either way.

It's unnecessary distinction and comes off as pointless because we're not labeling all the other characters on the wiki as "cisgender male" and stuff like that, so why do transgender characters have this specificity only for them?

And noting context it comes off as a weird thing to note anyways, and I think most people can vouch for it just not looking particularly good for our wiki.

I don't think listing it as the former is inviting any political commentary. It becomes political only when people make it and try to find fault with how it's written in any case.

I don't see why one would want it up then, I've made it clear by wiki standard we don't list people like that, it's unnecessary specificity, and if you really demand to understand why it can be interpreted in the wrong way I can explain in Discord (since I'd believe I can explain better there)

 

[Damage3245]

I think it's fine just to keep it as "Female" and move on.

 

[Joycap]

Can people keep their politics to themselves? I'd rather have this thread end, thank you very much.

I prefer to say "agree for different reasons"

If that's what you believe, it's better to close out ASAP.

 

[The_Impress]

I don't think irrelevant video essays are a part of your point, if they are, it's a poor point.

In general "I agree despite/in part of my rightwing views" works, and should be over by that point.

 

[Joycap]

Earnestly, I think that video might have piqued your interest. It kept mine, at least.

While we're on the subject, I think there's another that we can apply the OP logic to? Reading between the lines, it sounds like we're doing this to every trans character, so I might as well dig a few up:

Nagi Arisuin

Nagi Arisuin was from an orphanage located in Eurasia with her best friend Yuuri who died soon after their counties' government officials and mayor hired a gang in order to kidnap all of the kids from the orphanage to clean up their streets. Nagi saved all the kids in the orphanage after killing...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[The_Impress]

...so shit which would be transparently standard and can not be fought against, once this thread is accepted?

You don't really need to do shit rn, just let this get passed and that ends that.

 

[Abstractions]

I agree that it should probably just say Female, if some person has some magical and super specific ability that distinguishes between transgender women or men then something can be brought up there but it's not particularly relevant at this moment in time.

Madeline is also listed as trans female currently

Madeline

Why are you so nervous? You can do this. Madeline is the protagonist of Celeste and has gone to Celeste Mountain to climb to the summit. She suffers from depression and anxiety, enduring panic attacks both before and during the events of the game. Tier: 9-A | 9-A, likely 8-C Key: Base | Merged...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Earnestly, I think that video might have piqued your interest. It kept mine, at least.

While we're on the subject, I think there's another that we can apply the OP logic to? Reading between the lines, it sounds like we're doing this to every trans character, so I might as well dig a few up:

Nagi Arisuin

Nagi Arisuin was from an orphanage located in Eurasia with her best friend Yuuri who died soon after their counties' government officials and mayor hired a gang in order to kidnap all of the kids from the orphanage to clean up their streets. Nagi saved all the kids in the orphanage after killing...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I'm fine with these examples being changed as well seeing as they were brought up.

 

[Promestein]

I've argued for these pages to be listed as just female before, so

 

[AKM sama]

I think there's enough agreement to go ahead with the change. This isn't a big issue anyway.