A. Because it will happen for a while before being shut down. Not everything on this wiki is instant, and some people can rally up to try and go "No, a char is this instead".
Tbf couldn’t it be argued finding the homophobes on this wiki and getting rid of them would in the long run be beneficial? There’s already stuff here that could bait out homophobes. Why do we have to protect bigoted people‘s “right” not to see anything that would provoke them to speak their hateful views?
I think that'd actually be a bad idea, given the ambiguity of so many cases. At least LGBT Characters is vague; with a lot of characters, getting any more specific than that is gonna be difficult and the specifics will be heavily up to debate.
I don't think indexing sexuality is necessary at all, as that would imply we create a "Straight Characters" category. At very best, I can see a "Transgender" category, but even that can be mostly rendered irrelevant with proper usage of "Male" and "Female". The only off-case would be non-binary and other more complicated cases, but there comes a point where we can't create a category for everything.
Well, I personally think that you have made better arguments above, but I mainly just want the solution that minimises upcoming toxicity and division as much as possible.
Wow this is great because it perfectly sums up my thoughts exactly.
Look, we’ve already had and completed the discussion of Bridget. We shouldn’t prevent ourselves from restating our stances because the initial creation of those stances was controversial, that’s a nonsensical mindset. It’s akin to banning the creation of any and all profiles for a verse if the road to applying its scaling or a certain rating was toxic and/or controversial because that would stir up more discussion about the already resolved issue
Okay. Never mind then.
You are acting like this will be a smaller scale thing and that it will happen on only a single verse. It's a possibly wide issue and I can see it happening to sexualities too.
If LGBTQIA+ content on this wiki exists, and is raided, vandalised, or otherwise attacked by bigots, and your plan of action is to remove/silence the content, rather than ban the bigots, it speaks volumes about your priorities between protecting the “peace”/avoiding “controversy” and protecting the LGBTQIA+ members of this wiki
We’d have to have these discussions anyways when deciding how to list their gender on the wiki, from there it’s just reaffirming a stance we have already made
Please give me an example where this could get messy in terms of sexual orientation. I guarantee you it’s not as complicated as you think
I do, agree to disagree
If it ever actually got that ridiculous (which it won’t) then we have discussion rules for that kind of stuff
As I mentioned above, if we keep the category in question, I think that we should have an ongoing general discussion thread that we link to within the category page, in which ALL suggested LGBTQIA+ characters should be evaluated and accepted before the category can be added to them. Without edit summary box links to the posts in this thread that the additions were accepted, the category should be systematically removed.
That will just be more work with more categories. Even one is too many to handle.
Probably got deleted for stirring up controversy as well as being off-topic and calling a member of staff “pathetic”
Disagree entirely, this just adds more categories to the mix when it's already being argued on whether one is even necessary.
It was deleted because it's inciting shit where everyone can see it and is completely irrelevant to the thread. Ant may have said something somewhat off-kilter, doesn't mean you have to jump on his throat about it.
That's not what we're saying and you're twisting my words.
I disagree.
I'm basically with Pika here.
I deleted my first (and unbeknownst to me successful) attempt at that comment. Now there’s only one
This seems to make sense to me, and it seems to have much greater support here, but I would much prefer if LGBTQIA+ staff members systematically remove and delete it, while inserting links to this thread, as it might give a very bad look for our community otherwise.
That is not corrrect. Our Human Resources group decided to demote Impress for her very aggressive behaviour in the thread wherein we decided to get stricter personal pronoun standards than Fandom uses, combined with a long history of preceding bad behaviour that I had almost consistently protected her from the consequences of due to that she was an otherwise very productive member.
It is not BS.
Okay. My apologies about that. I seem to have a compulsive need to explain myself if I think that somebody severely misunderstands or distorts my intentions.
Don’t “both sides” homophobia or transphobia, please. Even if it’s bigotry you personally find minor
Is the situation that extreme? I thought that they simply require us to use proper pronouns in our wiki pages.
I think it's best if we listen to what they say instead of causing more controversy.
I was thinking of progressives and conservatives, and nationalists and globalists, actually, as they increasingly hate each other in society as a whole, and largely want to use more extreme measures as well.
