Overwatch Downgrades: Part II

[Wokistan]

Why don't we do these in a more organized way

Dargoo, comment your list of powers you think aren't justified in lore

In response to this, weekly post your information (and in a timely manner, or else you're liable to just get overridden given how long this has already taken).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok Well unfortunately I'm going to be at work for another 5 hours so thats rather unfair for me given the lack of patience displayed in this thread

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Really? When did you give scans for every ability being justified in canon? I'm sure the list itself must have taken a large chunk of the previous thread given how long it would have needed to be.

In the previous thread

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

You have had like an entire month tbf

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No you guys have had an entire month, ive been trying to apply this revision for that long and no one has been cooperative about it.

If you're referring to the current conversation it's only been 6 hours, all of which I've been at work

 

[The_Calaca]

It's funny that apparently not even Weekly got the sarcasm on my comment

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Dargoo, comment your list of powers you think aren't justified in lore

I'd personally like to see justifications for:

• Lucio's entire kit
• Baptiste's kit
• Sigma's kit
• Zenyatta's kit
• Reaper absorbing souls (specifically souls) to heal
• Mercy raising the dead
• Wrecking Ball's mines
• Brigitte's Rally
• Mei's ultimate

And a number of others, but this is a good start.

Although as a rule of thumb the abilities should be proven in-lore before being added. I'd like to personally incorporate the citations format I've done for profiles like this and this for many of the OW profiles when we're done discussing here.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Calca Oh no I got it im just glad someone agrees with me that verses that have opponents working together shouldn't be canon

 

[Wokistan]

This revision was a downgrade. You certainly haven't been trying to apply that. Besides if the scans are already posted it shouldn't be that much work to just copy paste some links over once you're on break or off work

Anyway I didn't even mean like right this second I mean that if people are gonna be waiting another week, you should just make your own CRT to re add stuff when you're ready to as opposed to holding this up.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I got it but everyone else's responses made me doubt my judgment

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

In the previous thread

Where specifically? I can't find it, can you link the comment?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

This revision was a downgrade. You certainly haven't been trying to apply that. Besides if the scans are already posted it shouldn't be that much work to just copy paste some links over once you're on break or off work

Anyway I didn't even mean like right this second I mean that if people are gonna be waiting another week, you should just make your own CRT to re add stuff when you're ready to as opposed to holding this up.

Look at rhe previous thread because i was the ONLY person trying to apply it. Go ahead and look please, i want you to.

 

[The_Calaca]

The verses I've seen don't actually scales each other, but there's probably more of them that do that.

So this is a clear case of a verse using wrong grounds for the scaling, especially when you see that there's a lead author telling us that gameplay is a no no.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

This revision was a downgrade. You certainly haven't been trying to apply that. Besides if the scans are already posted it shouldn't be that much work to just copy paste some links over once you're on break or off work

Anyway I didn't even mean like right this second I mean that if people are gonna be waiting another week, you should just make your own CRT to re add stuff when you're ready to as opposed to holding this up.

Look at rhe previous thread because i was the ONLY person trying to apply it. Go ahead and look please, i want you to.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'd personally like to see justifications for:

Post the full list and i will gladly provide scans to debunk your argument.

 

[Wokistan]

Looking through the previous thread, you've opposed any sort of downgrade happening the entire time through. There's no fault in this on its own, but it contradicts what you say here. If anything, the people really moving stuff along are the people volunteering to do a bunch of math for it like Drite.

 

[Drite77]

Examples of Rein's ult stunning in cannon would be cool to

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Looking through the previous thread, you've opposed any sort of downgrade happening the entire time through. There's no fault in this on its own, but it contradicts what you say here. If anything, the people really moving stuff along are the people volunteering to do a bunch of math for it like Drite.

Look at the end of the thread because what youre claiming is flat out wrong

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Look at rhe previous thread because i was the ONLY person trying to apply it. Go ahead and look please, i want you to.

You were trying to apply your own versio of the thread without consulting with other users, while refraining from answering questions for weeks and giving users an unjustifiable amount of trouble for just trying to have a reasonable discussion. You've resurfaced debates with the same exact arguments that were on the previous thread here, that were already concluded and listed on the OP.

I don't like telling people what they were doing since they should objectively know that better than I, but trying to point fingers at everyone else for doing something you were actively partaking in yourself is disingenuous.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo I am simply telling the truth, I was trying to apply the agreed on changes and no one wanted to lend a hand and give what was being applied. It's not disingenuous at all.

 

[Wokistan]

Why don't you start with the list he posted

 

[Drite77]

Another one that would be neat to find scans for it would be Soldier's sprint

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why don't you start with the list he posted

Because its easier to do it all at once

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah but if you're going to wait even longer and do that it makes a lot more sense for you to just make your own thread, given that this thread has other things than that riding on it. I've done stuff like that myself, dropped some objections because I didn't have time so I just made a CRT later, it's just more courteous to everyone involved especially after the time that has already elapsed.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Because its easier to do it all at once

Do what all at once?

The revisions, without discussing them with other users?

Seriously?

Another one that would be neat to find scans for it would be Soldier's sprint

I'm not sure if that's a joke, but I think it's alright to assume he, like any other human, can sprint.

 

[Wokistan]

I think he took issue with you calling your list a start for your concerns and wants all of them at once, for some reason.

No because in the lore sombra hacked his legs making sprinting gameplay only and legitimizing her gameplay feat so it is selectively cano

 

[Drite77]

C'mon Dargoo, i'm clearly serious

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I would rather do everything together rather than break it up for no reason. And this thread has nothing else riding on it other than the gameplay abilities being canon. And Thus far no one has shown courtesy for me even though I've shown it for them so I don't see how courtesy has anything to do with this.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Do what all at once?

The revisions, without discussing them with other users?

Seriously?

No post all the moves you want proof of

 

[Wokistan]

I would rather do everything together rather than break it up for no reason. And this thread has nothing else riding on it other than the gameplay abilities being canon. And Thus far no one has shown courtesy for me even though I've shown it for them so I don't see how courtesy has anything to do with this.

There's the AP stuff, which was like, the main point.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I would rather do everything together rather than break it up for no reason.

I mean, those are the ones I'm specifically concerned don't exist in the lore.

Ideally I'd want citations on every ability so that they can be sourced on the pages for discussion.

And this thread has nothing else riding on it other than the gameplay abilities being canon. And Thus far no one has shown courtesy for me even though I've shown it for them so I don't see how courtesy has anything to do with this.

This thread didn't even start with the gameplay abilties not being canon, though.

How have we not shown you courtesy? The fact that I'm having the same exact debate with you, an entire month later, just to try and make sure no stones are unturned, is extremely courteous.

No post all the moves you want proof of

All of them? My point is that they all kind of need to be supported by the lore, first.

 

[Drite77]

Do Junkrat and Roadhog spare with each other?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There's the AP stuff, which was like, the main point.

Theres not tho, the ap stuff was taken care of in the last thread, everyone is 9-A other than lucio and sym who are 9-B

 

[WeeklyBattles]

All of them? My point is that they all kind of need to be supported by the lore, first.

All of them. Give me all of them.

 

[Drite77]

Theres not tho, the ap stuff was taken care of in the last thread, everyone is 9-A other than lucio and sym who are 9-B

Why are they 9-B again? Lucio doesn't have alot of lore material about him, and i don't think that the explosion scales to Sym physically

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

See, you're saying "everyone is 9-A but Lucio and Sym who are 9-B" but we've spent nearly the past thread and a half trying to get information on scaling for characters who haven't even interacted with the 9-As and feats from Lucio and Sym (who aren't even combatants in lore to begin with, honestly) and receiving nothing but backtracking and shifting discussions.

Just lay out all your claims and your evidence so we can actually talk about them, please.

 

[Wokistan]

I think he means "all of them" in the context of "every ability on the file" because dargoo has been adding references stuff to his verses recently. DId it on a bunch of worm files, I noticed.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Why not just post everything you have and then let the thread discuss the evidence? Better than continuous arguments asking about pointless clarifications.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why are they 9-B again? Lucio doesn't have alot of lore material about him, and i don't think that the explosion scales to Sym physically

Because their weapons have consistent 9-B feats and they scale to each ither as they use the same weapons

 

[WeeklyBattles]

See, you're saying "everyone is 9-A but Lucio and Sym who are 9-B" but we've spent nearly the past thread and a half trying to get information on scaling for characters who haven't even interacted with the 9-As and feats from Lucio and Sym (who aren't even combatants in lore to begin with, honestly) and receiving nothing but backtracking and shifting discussions.

Just lay out all your claims and your evidence so we can actually talk about them, please.

I literally gave an entire massive list of who.scales to who and why they scale in the previous thread