Overlord General Discussion Thread

[Jugger47]

Btw apparently having some sort of special class really can protect you from world item effects. As I was going through the volumes again to find out about world items effects I passed through a section that said exactly that.

Apeironaxim is probably correct in that one of the classes might be the one Ulbert and Touch Me had.

Makes me wonder if Ainz will ever be able to get his own unique special class now that he is in the new world...

 

[Yobo_Blue]

IIRC, world champion and world disaster made your armor and attacks comparable to World Items

 

[Apeironaxim]

So besides resistance to death manip, is there anything else the Guardians are missing?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Hey, if anyone owns the Novel, could they get a quote of Demiurge's Meteor Fall feat? It might yeild something worthwhile for the verse.

 

[DeathNoodles]

So, do we now agree to establish Grasp Heart as an ability that instantly kills by crushing the target's heart, or that it instantly kills by inflicting instant death effect?

 

[Jugger47]

So, do we now agree to establish Grasp Heart as an ability that instantly kills by crushing the target's heart, or that it instantly kills by inflicting instant death effect?

I stand by what I have already said and have provided quotes already, I've yet to see any proof from the opposing opinion at all yet. The problem is that the quotes I've given are open to interpretation. Its all we have though.

 

[Jugger47]

Hey, if anyone owns the Novel, could they get a quote of Demiurge's Meteor Fall feat? It might yeild something worthwhile for the verse.

Its not very descriptive, it only states that Demiurge destroyed a section(don't know how large) of the 100 kilometer long wall and destroyed a fortress(apparently of a large size, but specifically unknown) connected to it with the spell. So sadly it won't do any good.

 

[Jugger47]

So besides resistance to death manip, is there anything else the Guardians are missing?

IIRC There is nothing else besides that and what we've already brought up here. Shalltear having a world item is a pretty large one but sadly yet again....we have no details on what she actually has, just that she has a world item now.....

Btw this info that I have is only because of the CD Drama 1.....Its stated nowhere else that I can find in the entire novel series. It is canon though.

In fact from what I can tell right now the only floor guardian that seemingly doesn't have one is Sebas(Confirmed, It was brought up that he forgot to give him one in the past but he seemingly completely forgot about that I guess, poor sebas)

EDIT:Hell, even Demiurge has a world item, but guess what? Its completely unnamed aswell. XD, Man, the more I look into this the more sad I get at how much we don't know.

 

[Apeironaxim]

IIRC There is nothing else besides that and what we've already brought up here. Shalltear having a world item is a pretty large one but sadly yet again....we have no details on what she actually has, just that she has a world item now.....

EDIT:Hell, even Demiurge has a world item, but guess what? Its completely unnamed aswell. XD, Man, the more I look into this the more sad I get at how much we don't know.

The lack of confirmation and info in general can be pretty frustrating, but hopefully we get answers we're satisfied with by the end of the series.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Speaking of the EoS, what are y'all's wishes for an ending? I personally want him to find one of his old guild members but the other member is one of the more noble ones like Touch Me. The other member would be horrified by the evil monster Momonga has become and either disown and walk away from or kill him.

Because, let's face it, Ainz is an evil villain at this point and I will want to see him be put down in some way.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I get the feeling he's going to be screwed over by one of the human characters at some point.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Speaking of the EoS, what are y'all's wishes for an ending? I personally want him to find one of his old guild members but the other member is one of the more noble ones like Touch Me. The other member would be horrified by the evil monster Momonga has become and either disown and walk away from or kill him.
Because, let's face it, Ainz is an evil villain at this point and I will want to see him be put down in some way.

The only person that would stand a chance would be Touch Me, since they'd be fighting all of Nazarick, who has multiple world items and Rubedo

I couldn't see Touch Me or anyone else surviving that

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'm hoping Ainz gets some sort of redemption, but let's be honest, that chance is slim. I would like a better explanation of what happened to him though.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well they wouldn't need to fight all of them. If he kills Momonga before anyone else the rest of Nazatick would crumble.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I don't really see his guild actually putting him down TBH. A good portion of them were evil aligned, which means they may even help him out. I really see him being killed by New World Denizens TBH.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Well they wouldn't need to fight all of them. If he kills Momonga before anyone else the rest of Nazatick would crumble.

They would need to get to him first, and considering they wanted Ainz to have an escort to go outside for a breath of air, that doesn't seem easy.

This is ignoring the fact Ainz can teleport and other shenanigans

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Apeirio

Well they'd trust another supreme being. If it's a powerful warrior they may be able to one-shot an off-guard Ainz. Also if it was Touch Me I would imagine Sebas would also rebel. Touch Me is almost as strong as the guardians put together; he and Sebas vs a leader-less Nazarick could probably pull it off.

Even if he couldn't, he could rally the New World and fight against Ainz as the "one who can threaten Ainz directly" that the human alliance would need.

 

[Apeironaxim]

@Apeirio
Well they'd trust another supreme being. If it's a powerful warrior they may be able to one-shot an off-guard Ainz. Also if it was Touch Me I would imagine Sebas would also rebel. Touch Me is almost as strong as the guardians put together; he and Sebas vs a leader-less Nazarick could probably pull it off.

Even if he couldn't, he could rally the New World and fight against Ainz as the "one who can threaten Ainz directly" that the human alliance would need.

A lot of things could go wrong from this, with the main ones being Depiction of Nature and Society to at least have prep time, Ainz teleporting away to safety to properly inform Nazarick he's being attacked, assuming he's alone anyway, and having the guardians or others protect Ainz as he uses Goal of all Life is Death with True Death or Grasp Heart

I also highly doubt being able to one-shot Ainz, as not even Fallen Down, which is specialized against undead, could kill Shalltear in one hit

 

[Apeironaxim]

And anyway, I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere Maruyama stated other Surpreme Beings won't be showing up

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If another Supreme Being won't show up then we have no choice but to bank on PDL.

 

[Apeironaxim]

If another Supreme Being won't show up then we have no choice but to bank on PDL.

I'm personally not banking on anything, as I don't want Ainz to be taken down

In fact the kind of ending I'm hoping for is Nazarick getting close enough to Ainz to be considered a second guild (aka new friends, since they remind him of his friends so much), as a huge focus of the story is Ainz's loneliness

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Also did Downfall of Castle and Country get destroyed by Shalltear or did her attack only kill the user?

 

[Apeironaxim]

Also did Downfall of Castle and Country get destroyed by Shalltear or did her attack only kill the user?

Pretty sure only killed the user, as I find it hard to believe a world item would be broken by a single attack skill

 

[Yobo_Blue]

PDL?

 

[Apeironaxim]

Currently, it is unclear who is using the World Item now or if they managed to found a successor. According to the Captain of the Black Scripture, although the dress was damaged in battle, it still happens to be usable.

From the Overlord wiki, but I have no idea which volume it's stated in

 

[Apeironaxim]

PDL?

Platinum Dragon Lord

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I honestly don't see him being a threat to all of Nazarick TBH

 

[Apeironaxim]

I honestly don't see him being a threat to all of Nazarick TBH

He briefly contended with Shalltear while controlling remote armor, and can use Wild Magic, so that's pretty dangerous

 

[Yobo_Blue]

True, but being a threat to the entire guild seems unlikely.

 

[Apeironaxim]

The only big threat is Wild Magic I'm pretty sure, it's unpredictable

 

[Jugger47]

Speaking of the EoS, what are y'all's wishes for an ending? I personally want him to find one of his old guild members but the other member is one of the more noble ones like Touch Me. The other member would be horrified by the evil monster Momonga has become and either disown and walk away from or kill him.
Because, let's face it, Ainz is an evil villain at this point and I will want to see him be put down in some way.

If they are in the new world as their avatar race then they would be in the same predicament as Ainz, bug people don't have any feelings towards humans (look at Entoma) and Ulbert would be far far worse than Ainz, he would be just like Demiurge considering he is a Demon so that is very unlikely to happen. And that type of ending is far too generic so I don't want that to happen. Considering how its been going I doubt its going to happen though.

And yes the author confirmed that the other Supreme Beings will not be showing up in Overlord, considering the game Ainz came from was permanently shut down it makes sense for him to be the last sent.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If PDL can pick off a member that's isolated (like Demiurge facading as Jaldabaoth) he could threaten them. We know full we an anti-teleportation spell exists, so he may know one like it.

 

[Jugger47]

If PDL can pick off a member that's isolated (like Demiurge facading as Jaldabaoth) he could threaten them. We know full we an anti-teleportation spell exists, so he may know one like it.

I don't think PDL could solo any of the guardians though and even if he could they could always just be resurrected by Nazarick, he would literally need to deal with atleast most of them at the same time.

 

[Jugger47]

If PDL can pick off a member that's isolated (like Demiurge facading as Jaldabaoth) he could threaten them. We know full we an anti-teleportation spell exists, so he may know one like it.

There is probably some other threat like the stronger Dragon Lord, Deep Darkness but even he was confirmed to be weaker than Shalltear.

 

[Apeironaxim]

If PDL can pick off a member that's isolated (like Demiurge facading as Jaldabaoth) he could threaten them. We know full we an anti-teleportation spell exists, so he may know one like it.

Demiurge has an unknown world item, so that could be a very dangerous move

 

[Jugger47]

Maybe I'm the only one but I forsee a Ainz/Nazarick complete victory. There will probably be a foe that can actually challenge them in the future but I believe Nazarick would still win.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Speaking of, is having a world item a good reason for resistance to mind manip?

For all we know having a world item just protects against other world items, not necessarily the effect they bring, such as BFR for Depiction of Nature and Society, Mind Manip for Downfall of Castle and Country

 

[Apeironaxim]

Maybe I'm the only one but I forsee a Ainz/Nazarick complete victory. There will probably be a foe that can actually challenge them in the future but I believe Nazarick would still win.

Nah, that's what I'm thinking too

 

[Jugger47]

Speaking of, is having a world item a good reason for resistance to mind manip?
For all we know having a world item just protects against other world items, not necessarily the effect they bring, such as BFR for Depiction of Nature and Society, Mind Manip for Downfall of Castle and Country

I've already said my piece on that. I think it should be removed but only the reasons, as they(floor guardians) still would have resistance to mind manipulation (referred to as immunity inverse).

 

[Apeironaxim]

I've already said my piece on that. I think it should be removed but only the reasons, as they(floor guardians) still would have resistance to mind manipulation (referred to as immunity inverse).

Although it's not like we're in a hurry, when would those changes be made?

I at least think adding the resistance to death manip should be done soon, as it's a very common hax and we don't want confusion to pop up in future vs threads