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One-Punch Man CRT! Big Updates!

Kin201 said:
It was revised with she only blocked one attack. But that attack was a large one, and it also seems to be exploded. Bang and Bomb didn't deflect that attack, Fubuki did manage to block it on her own.
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Incorrect:

Bang and Bomb were in front of her and they deflected the attack. The whole joke in Chapter 124 is that Fubuki is delusional about being the "leader" of the group, and she keeps talking to Bang and Bomb as if she's their boss and they're under her protection.

She barely does anything against Rover, bleeds profusely from the effort, and then proudly proclaims that she's the reason Bang and Bomb are alive while they look at her with concern.
 
The scaling to EC with JDA is as follows. Genos scales to a tooth, Bang and Bomb upscale because they broke his carapace with their combo move (and they have a stronger combo move and abandonment, so I would just scale Bang to the same tier and Bomb to the same tier with combo moves). If you want to upgrade these characters, I would just do it this way.

Darkshine, The Garou that fought Darkshine, Rover and Flashy Flash (up)scale to the move that broke EC's Carapace. Where you want to put EC depends on whether you want to tie his durability to JDA, Bang and Bomb's combo move or higher.

Darkshine and Half-Monster Garou scale above EC's carapace durability by virtue of using/enduring Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist. Rover scales above EC because he takes the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist really well. Flashy Flash is considered comparable to Bang and Darkshine and was superior to the Garou who fought Darkshine according to Darkshine himself.
 
Ourosboros said:
Genos scales to a tooth
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Isn't High 7-A.

Ourosboros said:
Bang and Bomb upscale because they broke his carapace with their combo move (and they have a stronger combo move and abandonment, so I would just scale Bang to the same tier and Bomb to the same tier with combo moves).
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Combo Special Moves naturally implies a higher amount of power than their regular attacks. Base Bang doesn't scale.

Ourosboros said:
Darkshine, The Garou that fought Darkshine, Rover and Flashy Flash (up)scale to the move that broke EC's Carapace
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Rover sure. What evidence do ANY of the others have?

Ourosboros said:
Darkshine and Half-Monster Garou scale above EC's carapace durability by virtue of using/enduring Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist
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Evidence that Garou's attack is just as strong as Bang and Bomb's?

Ourosboros said:
Flashy Flash is considered comparable to Bang and Darkshine
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Not in durability or AP. His advantage is speed. This is even noted in the webcomic. Flash is the fastest while Darkshine is the toughest, they don't cross-scale.

Ourosboros said:
and was superior to the Garou who fought Darkshine according to Darkshine himself.
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This is literally never said.
 
You're saying that they somehow deflected that large energy ball without her noticing? All we have seen is that the attack (that attack was a ridiculously big one tbh) exploded at close range and both Bang and Bomb didn't sustain any damage. Bang and Bomb themselves even surprised that they didn't get hurt at all. It is because they were protected by her.
 
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If High 7A is accepted for EC then Bang and Bomb could scale to half of his durability individually. Dark shine would scale to that bang and Garou would scale to Dark shine. Then Flashy and Atomic would scale from the statement for being able to defeat that Garou.
 
Darkshine and Flashy and Atomic wouldn't scale.

Flashy and Atomic use swords they don't even win via AP.
 
Kin201 said:
You're saying that they somehow deflected that large energy ball without her noticing? All we have seen is that the attack (that attack was a ridiculously big one tbh) exploded at close range and both Bang and Bomb didn't sustain any damage. Bang and Bomb themselves even surprised that they didn't get hurt at all. It is because they were protected by her.
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The big explosion denotes that they didn't get hit with all of the blast. She'd only have to protect their surface area.
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
Isn't High 7-A.


Combo Special Moves naturally implies a higher amount of power than their regular attacks. Base Bang doesn't scale.


Rover sure. What evidence do ANY of the others have?


Evidence that Garou's attack is just as strong as Bang and Bomb's?


Not in durability or AP. His advantage is speed. This is even noted in the webcomic. Flash is the fastest while Darkshine is the toughest, they don't cross-scale.


This is literally never said.
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1. "Isn't High 7-A"
True! I mean to say that we should try and scale these characters (EC included) I'm listing to a 7-B+ feat, instead of scaling them to Gouketsu. If anything, it would make the following characters high into 7-B, or 7-A, if we were willing to upscale stronger characters from a 84% baseline attack into 7-A.

2. "Combo Special Moves being superior"
We also agree on this point. I was working under the assumption that Bang would usually be in abandonment, which amps him up by a considerable multiplier. If we were to apply this scaling, we could make separate keys for Bang or simply note "7-A with combo moves and abandonment/higher with combo moves and abandonment". Bomb would probably be something like "7-B, 7-A (or) higher with combo moves"

3. "What about scaling the others?"
Well, if you don't think Garou's Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist is comparable to Bang and Bombs in terms of power-output, then they wouldn't scale. I figured they were but there's no definitive proof for or against. Here's what I could find in chapter 126: "This secret technique that not even a world class martial artist could hope to master... he(Garou) unconsciously acquired the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist... this man is able to copy techniques that go even beyond the WSRSF and the WICF" (couldn't find an English translation, so I translated it back to English from Spanish- the wording may be slightly different in official translations).

4. "Comparability doesn't mean equal durability or AP, as is stated to be the case with Flashy Flash"
This is very much true. I don't think Flashy Flash could match Darkshine in a grapple or a physical duel, nonetheless comparability implies relatively comparable power output. I only mean to say that if Darkshine's AP is upgraded to solidly 7-A, then Flashy Flash should be in the same tier,

5. "When was it stated that Flashy Flash was stronger than the Garou that fought Darkshine?"
Chapter 126, but I'm using a wonky way to translate it since I can't find the original, but here's what I translated back from Spanish.
Darkshine, to Garou: "If you had challenged Atomic Samurai-San, Tatsumaki-Chan, Flashy Flash-kun or King-San, you would have died before you had the opportunity to show off the techniques you’ve worked so hard on”
 
Didn't Darkshine say Flashy Flash and Atomic Samurai would beat Garou before Garou learned the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer fist and was getting faster and stronger?
 
He did say that, yes. It's currently listed on his profile for his "possibly higher than low 7-B" rating. Something to consider in this context, for sure
 
Wouldn't Darkshine also be High 7-A? Or at least High 7-A durability?

Considering Bang couldn't hurt him at all?
 
Bang wasn't trying, they simply sparred. I doubt Bang used his best moves either.

We need to simply assume that everytime a character punches one another in OPM they scale.
 
I'm fine with High 7-A Bang via Combo Moves and / or Abandonment, btw. I just think scaling this Bang to Darkshine and other S-Class heroes is kinda silly.
 
I think the fact that Darkshine took no visible external damage from Garou's Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist is more impressive (Garou was bypassing a bit of durability by targeting pressure points and focusing on internal damage, so that should be noted). He was sparring with Bang, so I doubt he was using his 100% with intent to harm and he certainly wasn't using abandonment.

The question is- how strong is Garou's Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist? As strong as Bang and Bomb's? If not, how much weaker? Is the difference quantifiable?
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
I'm fine with High 7-A Bang via Combo Moves and / or Abandonment, btw. I just think scaling this Bang to Darkshine and other S-Class heroes is kinda silly.
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I guess he didn't use that against Darkshine, yeah.
Ourosboros said:
I think the fact that Darkshine took no visible external damage from Garou's Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist is more impressive. He was sparring with Bang, so I doubt he was using his 100% with intent to harm and he certainly wasn't using abandonment.

The question is- how strong is Garou's Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist? As strong as Bang and Bomb's? If not, how much weaker? Is it quantifiable?
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Imo I think it's just as strong. But there's really no feats to go off other than him being able to damage Darkshine.
 
Gouketsu got reverted to 7-B, because Antvasima wanted it to be fully confirmed before it was implemented. He and a calc-group member seem to have accepted it- are we good to go yet? Or do we need to consult someone else before we can implement the change?
 
Ourosboros said:
Gouketsu got reverted to 7-B, because Antvasima wanted it to be fully confirmed before it was implemented. He and a calc-group member seem to have accepted it- are we good to go yet? Or do we need to consult someone else before we can implement the change?
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Probably One more calc member
 
So are we just Scaling Bang to being above JDA and high 7A or higher with combo moves? Also isn't Darkshine stated multiple times to being the physically strongest hero outside of Blast. He is also compared to Bang a lot in a few statements if I recall correctly.
 
Will Black Sperm also become High 7-A in AP?

If High 7-A Gouketsu gets accepted it seems Rover, Evil Natural Water, and Elder Centipede scale.

Bang and Bomb scale to half of the amount with their techniques. Or 754 megatons. 7-A+

Honestly, I think that if EC is High 7-A, the Genos attack (JDA) having to be 7-B+ to break its tooth makes a lot of sense.
 
Ye, I was bringing this back to JDA though.

What was the reason it was denied again? Was it because it "wasn't a feat" or because it was an outlier?
 
All of the revisions listed at the start of this thread have been implemented, with the exception of JDA which is still in contention. I'm not sure how we're doing these CRTs in the new forum (since there is no comment limit), but should we create a new CRT for all the changes that have been brought up since this thread was made? Perhaps we should focus the rest of this debate on JDA and create a new, separate CRT for Gouketsu's calc and everything associated with it.
 
Yeah. We should make another thread discussing Gouketsu's feat and decide who scale to him. We should reconsider JDA as well. Let's see how it goes.
 
I don't think anyone scales from Gouketsu other than Orochi. Scaling Rover from Saitama's punch makes no sense. Saitama treated it like a dog and Gouketsu as a monster
 
Well. Aside from that fact that they are all cadres. There's nothing linking them to be on the same level of strength. Thus their justifications for being High 7-A is should be comparable to Gouketsu, and that's an assumption. However, I'd say that it is kinda excessive for Gouketsu to be on a different dimension compared to the other executives. He can literally one-shot them with that level of AP if the gap is really that astronomical.
 
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Bang should scale to EC. He took a hit from Elder Centipede, and his durability can't be significantly below his physical combo move. He was also planning to defeat it one-on-one after Genos failed, but I suppose that would be argued to be with Abandonment.

But like Damage said, there's still the issue that there's nothing solid to scale between Gouketsu and the other cadres.
 
In ch.74 of the manga Gyro Gyro said right to Gouketsu's face that if multiple S-class showed up he would have a hard time. This implies that Gyro Gyro was worried that multiple random S-class could be a threat to Gouketsu. Gouketsu had no such statement of specific S-class being needed to take him down unlike EC who Gyro Gyro was not worried about and even hyped him up to needing specific very powerful S-class needed in order for him to be defeated.
 
That heavily implies that EC is stronger than Gouketsu and it's from a reliable source in Gyro Gyro who can read Monsters battle power and assign them disaster levels. So the fact that EC has more concrete evidence in needing very powerful S-class to defeat it compared to Gouketsu who doesn't have any statement to back that up.
 
That's not a heavy implication, and refers more to compatibility. As explained by Phoenix Man afterwards, Bang wouldn't be able to take down Elder Centipede due to its sheer size, making it a poor matchup for his martial arts. The same would apply to most other melee fighters, like Flash who struggled to stop the Demon level threat Hundred-Eyes Octopus due to its size. Besides, Gyoro Gyoro isn't the most reliable source when it comes to power levels.
 
What about Gyoro Gyoro's statement about how no one could beat Black Sperm and Homeless emperor working together?
I mean she knows how strong Gouketsu is, and she knows how strong her other men are.
 
Yeah battle compatibility is really big in opm, but with EC, Bang and Bomb dispite the size disparity still manged to give EC a good bit of difficulty despite being no where near as powerful as the S-class said to be needed to take him out. With Flashy what implied that he struggled? All he did was show off his speed by cutting all the eyes then Tats interrupted him before he could finish it off. Also Gyro Gyro is most definitely a reliable source when it comes to the monsters in the MA since she literally runs the organization and can read battle power.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
What about Gyoro Gyoro's statement about how no one could beat Black Sperm and Homeless emperor working together?
I mean she knows how strong Gouketsu is, and she knows how strong her other men are.
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Gouketsu is dead at that point.
 
I mean fair, but I doubt she thinks Gouketsu is stronger than Tatsumaki, who she wanted those two to go against.
 
She obviously doesn't.

She also considered Tatsumaki strong enough to defeat Elder Centipede but believed she could take her.
 
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