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Because Genos specifically mentions G4's energy levels compared to his current upgraded forms, which we know are based on pure destructive strength as I linked above.
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One-Punch Man: AP Revisions
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Again, whether he's using all of his energy at once or not, the amount of energy in total remains the same. Genos just uses more or less of it depending on the attacks he's using. G4 however has higher energy levels than Genos, meaning his peak would be using at least comparable amount of energy in his attacks as well.
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Upgrades are based on pure destructive power already post-post g4 gain, when he became the main character of the Korean MMO. and before that, the gain was uniform in all parameters
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Pardon?
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I think Damage makes sense on this matter (the statement in question is also a "may be").
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Well I think that Genos debating whether G4's energy levels are stronger his current upgraded form's makes him at least stronger than Genos' previous form due to how much stronger Genos became.
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I'd agree with an At least Town level for G4 based on that, but that's it.
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In general, I still think that many of the calculations require additional verification, because it may show completely different results.
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Can cover that at a future time - not really approrpiate for this specific CRT.
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It's already been looked at by 2 calc group members.
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I have already made a separate post on some of them in another thread. if I find other contradictions, I can supplement it
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where?
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We accept Gyoro Gyoro's ability when it comes to determining power level because of his ability. Genos also has it and makes his comments about it based on their energy level no? Shouldn't Genos be reliable about it as well as long as he scans the enemy?
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Are you talking about genos or the gyoro-gyoro sphere?
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That's not really the point. There's no direct comparison between G4 and the blast Genos performed against the meteor.
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Shouldn't Genos be Multi-Continent level+ rather than Multi-Continent level?
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guys simply genos has become much stronger after that basic strike and kuseno may have adapted his incinerator and core to the power he used for the meteorite as shown the core against psykorochi has unleashed a power extremely superior to that which Genos had unleashed against the meteorite demonstration that with each update genos is adapted to his best basic feats in fact it is also seen with jet psykos managing to hurt her
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I think the term at least large town is also fine
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You're entitled to that opinion.
I think I've said all I need to for now. That part of the scaling on the sandbox needs to changed unless more staff show up to agree with it.
I think I've said all I need to for now. That part of the scaling on the sandbox needs to changed unless more staff show up to agree with it.
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I'd like to mention that the Genos who fought Sonic is NOT the version with G4's upgrades but rather one who simply got the damage from his fight with G4 fixed up. While that was happening, Dr. Kuseno was preparing G4's scraps in order to upgrade Genos into the one we see during the Superfight tournament.
This is important because right before fighting Sonic, Genos mentions that when getting the repairs, a few new parts were added as well, and during the fight we see what the new parts were. It allowed him to use his full power incineration cannons without taking out his core and exhausting himself completely. It also let him to fight with that same level of energy powering each of his strikes.
G4's armor and tech were much superior to the tech that Kuseno had on him, which would include the parts that allowed Genos to utilize the full power cannons more casually. This would mean that G4 and Post-VGS Genos at his peak would scale to that level.
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Genos could use his full power incineration cannons prior to his fight with Sonic too. Chapter 21 Page 28 and Page 44.
That doesn't change anything as far as I can tell. There's a difference between Genos firing of a Full Power Incineration Cannon normally, and him using his Core to amplify it. I can track down a few examples from the manga with a bit of time.
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When he used his full power incineration cannons, he needed to take out his core and drain it completely of energy. Literally just keep reading within that chapter. With the new parts he can fire them out without doing that.
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That's Genos going beyond even a normal full power incineration cannon by equipping his core.
When Genos uses his core to amplify his attack, he's ends up running out of energy and can't fight any more - at least temporarily.
Like how Genos can charge up and fire his Spiral Incineration Cannon and then continue fighting. But when he uses his core for the Ultra Spiral Incineration Cannon, he's taken out of action.
In his sparring match with Saitama Genos can fire his incinceration cannons at maximum output without using his core. (Clarified in the databook here as maximum output. It even shows the image of him using it in his fight with Sonic alongside it, so we know he's using Full Power Incinceration Cannon in both scenes and it wasn't his new parts that enabled him to do that)
So; Genos with Core > Full Power Incineration Cannons > typical Incineration Cannons.
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All this means is that during the Meteor arc, Genos needed to use his core for Full Power Incineration Cannon but afterwards he could use it without needing to do that.
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No, he could always use his full power incineration cannon without his core. He just attached the core in his arm to concentrate all of his power in one shot.
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Genos preformed the Large Town level feat while using the Arms Mode prototype - an armor which amps the incineration cannon by concentrating the energy into its arms. Genos has only ever detached his core once, and when he did, it was to connect it to the prototype-specific holding place on its bicep. So no, taking out his core does not make Genos' full power incineration cannon stronger. What it did was allow Genos to pour his energy directly into his arms. Against Sonic, we see that Genos could now concentrate energy from his core into his arms without needing to take it out of his body. Saying that Genos' full power incineration cannons are not as powerful when his core is not attached is also very silly because it completely contradicts what "full power" means. Genos claiming to be using his strongest incineration cannon but somehow having access to a stronger version would make no sense.
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You're missing one important detail in your judgment. the context. which tells us that the genos cannot use the core. The fact that he uses guns at full power does not mean that he uses all the energy that he has. and that's exactly what he does when he takes out the core.
it can be compared to a car. its power is 250 horsepower. and this is its full power. but with nitrous oxide, it can reach up to 450. but this power is higher than full
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I have a different interpretation to you.
When Genos was initially going to use his incineration cannon at full power on the meteor, he was preparing to fire it as normally without using his core.
You're right that the Arms Mode prototype amplifies his Incineration Cannon. But using his core on top of that allows him to concentrate all his energy in one attack.
We know that using his Full Power Incineration Cannon normally doesn't drain all of his energy in one go because he could use it against Saitama in their sparring match and still continue fighting.
I think you're under the mistaken assumption that "Full Power" means "All Power" when what it really is, is maximum output for Genos. Using his core is then a step above that.
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This very clearly is not his full power incineration cannon.
The core has the energy. The attachment on Genos' arms mode is what is concentrating the energy. The core is just a generator.
Except in that case he specifically stopped right after he shot it due to Saitama tapping his back. Against the meteor, Genos specifically held the beam for 20 seconds until the core had no more in its tank. 2 different scenarios.
Yes. Genos was using his core in his fight against Sonic, concentrating the energy in his arms in a similar fashion as well.
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But that does disprove your claim that he only became able to use his Full Power Incineration Cannon without taking out his core after his fight with G4.
I don't think either of us will convince the other we're wrong on this. You can have your interpretation, but two staff members now disagree with the proposed scaling change.
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My claim is that Genos could only use his Full Power Incineration Cannon while concentrating the energy within his arms (which is the point of the Arms Mode prototype) without needing to actively put his core there after his fight with G4.
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Okay. I don't think that lines up with what I've gotten from the manga and the databook, so I think we're at an impasse on that point.
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When has Genos ever needed to use his core for his Full Power Incineration Cannon other than against the meteor? If anything, claiming that Genos specifically taking his core out of his body amplifies his strength does not line up with the manga or any databooks because not only has that never been stated, but we don't even accept that on Genos' profile to be true.
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It is stated in the databook. And the fact that he can use his Full Power Incineration Cannon without it proves that it must be amp, as that'd be the reason for firing off all his energy in one shot.
We also accept from the databook that Genos' self-destruction, which uses all of the energy in his core in one blast, is higher than his normal stats too. From your sandbox:
And regarding;
He did use a more amplified version of his Incineration Cannon when using his core against Elder Centipede.
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That databook does not state that the core amps Genos' output. It states that he can connect it to his arms in order to concentrate energy, which we already know is because of the Arms Mode prototype.
Damage, you're misunderstanding my point. I'm saying that both agains the Meteor and against Sonic, Genos used his core to concentrate the energy into one shot through his arms, but the difference is that the first time Genos only had the prototype which required him to connect the core directly to his arm while the second time he could do so without needing to do that. His new parts allow him to concentrate
The self-destruction is the strongest because it uses all of his energy at once in one large explosion. That is not what Genos did against the meteor. His energy was slowly draining while he was firing. (he canonically was holding the beam for 20 seconds straight before he completely ran out of energy). The Large Town level part of the feat only occurs from the initial burst before Genos held it for longer, meaning that the calculated shockwave was not a byproduct of all of Genos' energy.
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I'm not misunderstanding you're point, I'm just disagreeing with it. I think Genos concentrating more energy into his arms with the Arms Mode upgrade, and him also detaching his core and plugging it in are two separate things.
I think we've gone back and forth on this enough. If you don't want to change the sandbox then get the input of more staff members because Maverick and I have voted against it.
I just disagree with this line of the sandbox from the OP:
Aside from that (and the rest of the scaling that needs changing based on that), I'm fine with it.
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They are objectively not. Read the databook entry that you posted:
The exact same thing is stated for the Arms Mode.
Nothing would change from the scaling regardless due to the Post-G4 Genos key.
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The Post-G4 key and everyone else scaling to him would go to Town level instead of Large Town level.
Speed o' Sound Sonic and others ultimately get their Large Town level rating through a scaling chain connecting to them to Genos' meteor calc through the proposed scaling in your sandbox. So they'd go back down to Town level without it.
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Your reasoning for disagreeing goes against how Genos' armor works an how it is accepted to work. It's completely unfair to look at these things and just go "I interpret it differently so I disagree" without actually explaining your argument.
You say that the mode that is stated to concentrate Incineration Cannon energy into its arm to boost its strength and Genos concentrating Incineration Cannon energy into his arms to boost its strength are... not the same thing? For what reason? If you're simply unsure about them being the same then just vote neutral.
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