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Pretty much that
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One Piece, Wano Powers and Abilities
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They weren't tricked by specific illusions of their dead friends & relatives.
That doesn't mean that other illusions wouldn't work on them.
That doesn't mean that other illusions wouldn't work on them.
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Also I suppose it's worth clarifying, how do we treat the recent two episodes of Kid and Zoro showcasing conqueror's haki? Do we treat them as valid or not
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Black Maria didn't say "illusions of dead people won't work", she said "illusions won't work".
Brook said he's used to getting hurt by illusions in general and Robin said they're similar.
I understand the concern on the ability but nothing says that it's because it's their friends and family.
Brook said he's used to getting hurt by illusions in general and Robin said they're similar.
I understand the concern on the ability but nothing says that it's because it's their friends and family.
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Non canon until Oda says something. If we took anime haki showings, Sanji's have Koka on the profile by now
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In terms of the OP atm, I have no problems with the abilities listed.
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Added Brook and Robin to OP
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Makes sense
This makes sense, I support a resistance to illusions for them
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Also should Kaido get some ability to define his flame clouds? For example maybe "Limited Telekinesis with Flame Clouds" or something.
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I don't think it points to them having a resistance. Not being tricked by an obvious deception doesn't mean you've resistance the deception.
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Kaido doesn't have that already? He probably should given his feat of levitating an island
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Everything in the OP looks good and can be added
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"Obvious deception" her power would just be useless then in that case
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That isn’t backed up by the statements or dialogue.
If Oda wanted to portray Robin as being too smart for the illusions he would’ve had BM state something like she is too smart to fall for my tricks.
This is your personal head canon. That’s simply not supported by statements or context.
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Brook is a dumbass, if it was intelligence based then he'd fall under the illusion
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is Brook even a dumbass?
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Brook is an idiot
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I don't think the statements or context support Robin and Brook being able to magically resist illusions.
The simpler explanation is that Robin isn't an idiot and she's obviously not going to be tricked by her long-dead relatives and friends showing up out of nowhere.
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The simplest explanation is that the guy who was forced to see illusions and the girl who was traumatized for 20+ years don't get phased when they see illusions.
So everyone in fiction who falls under stuff like that is an idiot? No. The illusion just works. The illusion didn't work.
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Idiotic, or naive, or gullible.
Kinemon and the other scabbards were ready to believe that Oden had come back from the dead a few chapters ago, but I don't believe that Ashura Doji has a resistance to illusions just because he was the only one who didn't believe in the fake Oden that appeared before them.
I agree the illusion didn't work. I'm questioning why it is that the illusion didn't work.
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Cause that wasn't an illusion. And Ashura Doji flat out explained why they fell for it, because they wanted the real Oden there. Not to drop the portion where the first thing Kanjuroden did was rationalize him being there "I don't blame you for being surprised" and "Toki sent me to the future". Not including the fact that they were helped by a mysterious person and they were willing to believe that person was Oden. Not including the fact that Kanjuro has some of the most potent Social Influencing in the series and he can actually deceive people. Not including the fact that literally everyone in that room had PTSD about that one dude, which is why even when they exposed him for being fake, Kiku still froze when she saw him.
These new fodder didn't rationalize anything, they just said "hi Robin, how are you? We missed you". You're comparing a pathological liar who is mimicking someone that he's worshipped alongside others for years and is good at acting + several other reasons to a "we missed you".
Because illusions are fodder towards those 2. Even Brook is someone who makes illusions and was taking these illusions serious.
They should get the resistance. That's just me.
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Actually, can u bring the illusion scan?
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Yeah no, I agree with damage here, that's not resistance to illusion, even if it happend to someone IRL, nobody would fall to it, these people already were dead, obviously Robin wont fall to it, even if it was me there, I would just run scared thinking that its a frickin Ghost, yeah, I disagree with it being resistance to illusion
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So what does this qualify as?
"Smart enough to see past illusions"?
"Smart enough to see past illusions"?
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Doesn't the laugh being the same as the memory sort of imply that Maria's subordinates didn't even talk, since they would have no way of knowing what memory it was or what Saul's laugh was.
Meaning Maria's mist also created those voices.
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Nothing
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I'd mention it under her Intelligence section.
But I wouldn't count this as an ability/resistance.
But I wouldn't count this as an ability/resistance.
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I mean, Robin already knew that these people already was dead, why would someone like Robin fall to it?
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I don't even think that it is a inteligence feat, she already knew that they already was dead, obviously it wasnt real
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Isn't it clear that they're not resisting it at all and they just know it isn't real? Like, they're clearly not falling for the illusion. Illusion Manipulation isn't some kind of mind manipulation that convinces you the images are real, they knew it wasn't real from the get-go.
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Anyways
Is everything else in the OP fine?
Is everything else in the OP fine?
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Everything else in the OP is fine to me.
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Everything else seems fine.
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It has been accepted by DemonGodMitchAubin, Damage3245, and other knowledgeable members. Applying edits
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Can linlin get soul manip resistance because the homies that her soul encompass have the same resistance?
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She doesn't have it? Well, it is because it is her soul that allow Promethus and Zeus to resist Brooks' soul abilities. So I agree.
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Aren't her "homies" just fractions of her own soul? If they resist soul manip she should also resist it. Though i'm not sure what specifically you're talking about so I can only give a surface level response.
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