One Piece: Massive Haki Redux

[MonkeyOfLife]

with the aura around it and whatnot.

 

[Eminiteable]

Ok then... Explain how big mom could steal luffy's haki when he isn't afraid

I don't need to explain that, soul pocus which requires someone to be afraid steals their life span not their energy.

explain how haki is someone's soul when no translation correlates to it

Look up the definition of spirit.

Explain why there are no statements of haki being something that has to do with ones soul... There are to many unknowns and many contradictions

I don't need statements, I provided the feats of it being related to souls in my first post about it. You've provided no evidence of contradictions.

 

[SnookB]

That's right before he used the shockwave/Blast against the elephant. Luffy and Hyogoro do it as well in wano when showcasing the barrier/dura neg abilities.

 

[Chianli]

and how is life force not directly connected to the soul? chi or qi should be connected to it in some way.
hell if you think about the three types of haki represent the body (buso) mind ( ken) and spirit (hao).

 

[Damage3245]

@Chianli; do not spam posts. You can edit your first post if you have something else to add and no one has responded.

 

[Chianli]

@Chianli; do not spam posts. You can edit your first post if you have something else to add and no one has responded.

sorry its just i dont think that far

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I don't need to explain that, soul pocus which requires someone to be afraid steals their life span not their energy.

Yee their soul... You are saying haki is someone's soul.

object (of an argument)
The ability of "↑sol-sol" is to

ability

deformity

medicine

life expectancy
Taiso Soul
life span of the soul to another subject.

thing

life
availability
and can also give life.

and how is life force not directly connected to the soul? chi or qi should be connected to it in some way

It is connected... Of course but Haki being soul is not true

 

[SnookB]

and how is life force not directly connected to the soul? chi or qi should be connected to it in some way

^^^^
"With its roots in traditional Chinese culture, Chi (also spelled qi) refers to the vital life force or energy that runs through all living beings. It is the essence of existence that flows through each of us, uniting the body, mind and spirit. It is what makes us alive."
Ki is tied to vitality and life force. Not the Soul.

"On a smaller scale, qi is a specific kind of energy which flows through and animates the body. In Daoist cosmology, it is separate from souls (Hun and Po). No. Qi is not soul energy."

I still HEAVILY agree with Emin on this. Soul Pocus is used exclusively to drain your lifespan and make it her property. While draining armament (which by definition is "spirit" according to rayleigh) is different altogether.

Again- if using Soul Manip on a strong haki user was EASY, Law would've just switched Kaido and Big Mom's souls with some random fodder. If strong haki negates his Amputate and Shambles, there's no reason it doesn't work the same for his Soul manip.

 

[Chianli]

Yee their soul... You are saying haki is someone's soul.

It is connected... Of course but Haki being soul is not true

OOOOH...that makes much more sense actually yeah

 

[Chianli]

i do agree that haki is an "aspect" of your sould but not entirely it.

does that sound better?

 

[Eminiteable]

Yee their soul... You are saying haki is someone's soul

I said haki is a soul based power, soul pocus steals life span while what Big Mom did against Luffy was steal energy. So I don't need to explain why Luffy wasn't afraid if it wasn't soul pocus.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

soul pocus steals life span

By taking bits of their soul...

what Big Mom did against Luffy was steal energy

His soul because you think haki is soul based.

I said haki is a soul based power

If it is then there should be much more proof and confirmation on it being based on soul when there is literally brook and big mom who can manipulate souls...


Oh there is also haki not affecting souls

↑ Since it is originally made of flame, even if your fist is covered with armed color supremacy, it will do no damage.

While brook who actually uses soul manipulation could damage him.

In the battle against the Soul King, or Brook, he was attacked directly in the soul, resulting in his first hand injury.

 

[Damage3245]

I said haki is a soul based power, soul pocus steals life span while what Big Mom did against Luffy was steal energy. So I don't need to explain why Luffy wasn't afraid if it wasn't soul pocus.

When has Big Mom ever taken away souls or things related to souls without using Soul Pocus?

 

[KingTempest]

When has Big Mom ever taken away souls or things related to souls without using Soul Pocus?

Using her incarnates to take away souls
Ripping the soul from Zeus

 

[Eminiteable]

Oh there is also haki not affecting souls

Haki being a soul based power doesn't mean it will effect other souls.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ripping the soul from Zeus

That's her own soul btw I think

*Big Mom followed by her right hand
The incarnation of a flaming flame that melts and burns!

Big Mom, a.k.a. Charlotte Linlin, is a "homie," a being whose soul was put into her by the ability of the Solsol fruit. Prometheus is one of those special homies that has been condensed into a disaster and has Linlin's own soul in it, making him look like the sun. As his appearance suggests, he always emits a scorching heat, and will incinerate anything at Linlin's command.
Its weaknesses are a special attack that directly damages the soul and a large amount of water.
However, it is extremely difficult to damage them.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Haki being a soul based power doesn't mean it will effect other souls.

Why wouldn't it? If it's soul based then it should be able to work against souls

 

[KingTempest]

Why wouldn't it? If it's soul based then it should be able to work against souls

this is not how it works

 

[SnookB]

Why wouldn't it? If it's soul based then it should be able to work against souls

Just cuz it resists soul based abilities doesn't mean it can effect souls.
It resists ice, corrosion, space manip and more. But have you seen busoshoku creating ice, corroding things and whatnot?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Just cuz it resists soul based abilities doesn't mean it can effect souls.
It resists ice, corrosion, space manip and more. But have you seen busoshoku creating ice, corroding things and whatnot?

Never said anything about resisting... I'm talking about haki not being able to affect souls

Oh there is also haki not affecting souls

While brook who actually uses soul manipulation could damage him.

 

[Eminiteable]

Why wouldn't it? If it's soul based then it should be able to work against souls

Not at all, haki is soul based as it's a power derived from the soul which as explained is why they can still use it when their souls are placed in different bodies and while it will get absorbed by the soul fruit.

But that doesn't grant it the ability to effect others souls or whatever.

 

[Chianli]

I think I get lt. Haki is soul based because it manifest the aspect of your spirit to use against in the physical realm

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not at all, haki is soul based as it's a power derived from the soul which as explained is why they can still use it when their souls are placed in different bodies and while it will get absorbed by the soul fruit.

But that doesn't grant it the ability to effect others souls or whatever.

Haki definitely is connected somehow to the soul I'm not denying that... I'm denying haki being soul based as there is literally nothing of haki being soul based besides big mom who supposedly drained luffy's haki

 

[Chianli]

Haki definitely is connected somehow to the soul I'm npt denying that... I'm denying haki being soul based as there is literally nothing of haki being soul based besides big mom who supposedly drained luffy's haki

What if it is an aspect of it?

 

[SnookB]

Not at all, haki is soul based as it's a power derived from the soul which as explained is why they can still use it when their souls are placed in different bodies and while it will get absorbed by the soul fruit.

But that doesn't grant it the ability to effect others souls or whatever.

Has anyone even TRIED to argue against the fact that haki users can use their haki just as potently even when their souls are in different bodies? If that's not resistance to soul manip I don't know what that is.

nothing of haki being soul based besides big mom who supposedly drained luffy's haki

And Enma draining Zoro's Ryuou/Buso to the point where it started effecting his life.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Top tier work King, I agree with the changes and go with the Tabbers.

For the soul stuff thats being discussed rn I guess ill remain neutral.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And Enma draining Zoro's Ryuou/Buso to the point where it started effecting his life.

That doesn't really mean soul...

I think I get lt. Haki is soul based because it manifest the aspect of your spirit to use against in the physical realm

"Haki" is a power that lies dormant in all the world's creatures... "Presence", "fighting spirit" and "intimidation"... It is not different from the things that humans can naturally sense such as these... 'The act of not doubting'. That is strength!

Has anyone even TRIED to argue against the fact that haki users can use their haki just as potently even when their souls are in different bodies? If that's resistance to soul manip I don't know what that is.

Haki should be able to resist all devil fruit abilities, having their souls shambles isn't resistance to soul, that's the opposite

 

[SnookB]

That doesn't really mean soul...

It specifically says it drains "Ryuo", which is synonymous with Busoshoku, which is directly related to one's spirit.

Haki should be able to resist all devil fruit abilities, having ther souls shambles isn't resistance to soul, that's the opposite

It literally only worked on characters who didn't have good armament. Sanji, Franky, Chopper, Nami, Smoker and Tashigi all had lower Haki than Luffy, Law (the user), and Zoro. And even then, the stronger one of those character (Sanji) still retained a strong enough spirit to use his Haki through another character's body. A far weaker one at that.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It specifically says it drains "Ryuo", which is synonymous with Busoshoku, which is directly related to one's spirit.

That's if you are already accepting as haki being soul based.

It literally only worked on characters who didn't have good armament. Sanji, Franky, Chopper, Nami, Smoker and Tashigi all had lower Haki than Luffy, Law (the user), and Zoro. And even then, the stronger one of those character (Sanji) still retained a strong enough spirit to use his Haki through another character's body. A far weaker one at that.

ok? All law did was change their spirit, not remove their spirits, why resistance to soul manipulation?

 

[Chianli]

If adv hao can show/affect prometheus then what will you think?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If adv hao can show/affect prometheus then?

Then idk... It kinda still would be unknown

 

[SnookB]

ok? All law did was change their spirit, not remove their spirits

Because of the fact that haki originates from THE SPIRIT, users are still capable of using it even if their spirit is transferred into another body.
Funny enough, Law's Soul switching KO'D Tashigi, while the straw hats were still conscious even after that, meaning it has a similiar effect on the SOUL that Haoshoku Haki does when your spirit isn't strong enough to withstand it. But that's a rabbit hole I refuse to go into- it pretty much turns haoshoku into a weaker version of soul crush.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luffy could still use his haki after big mom supposedly drained luffy's haki supposedly meaning its soul based

Also when big mom activated her haki it literally nearly looked the exact same as Rayleighs haki
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[SnookB]

Luffy could still use his haki after big mom supposedly drained luffy's haki supposedly meaning its soul based

A: That's WAY after anyway???
B: Zoro was using his haki while Enma was actively draining him anyway. It's not new.

Also when big mom activated her haki it literally nearly looked the exact same as Rayleighs haki

Rayleigh was using the Emission. Emission has an aura. Luffy showed it. Hyo showed it.
Big Mom was using base armament as far as we know. The aura is from her, not the haki. Direct contact was made after all, and she didn't dura neg Luffy or he would've said something about it.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also nothing in the anime does it show her using her devil fruit or draining his haki

 

[Damage3245]

@MonkeyOfLife; yeah, that does support it just being Gear 4 being deactivated.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Probably got drained fast because

he's using his haki against someone who is far superior in terms of haki and ap

 

[SnookB]

Also nothing in the anime does it show her using her devil fruit or draining his haki

The anime doesn't show an aura around Rayleigh's hand when he's introducing Haki either. Which is a counter-argument you've been relying on for a while.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The anime doesn't show an aura around Rayleigh's hand when he's introducing Haki either. Which is a counter-argument you've been relying on for a while.

It proves the aura thing being haki... Which is why I correlated it with Rayleigh's haki aura thing to big mom

 

[Eminiteable]

A: That's WAY after anyway???

The panel monkey posted was actually before Big Mom did it.