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One Piece High 7-A Revision

@Dr. Fix; I'm fine with adding it to more characters who have no feats.

As for the Luffy/Sanji thing, that can stay for now I guess but I will revisit Sanji's ratings in a future revision on a more appropriate thread for it.
 
No, several characters are going to be High 7-A. There's just a question of how many Yonkou Commanders will be, it seems.
 
From the Attack Potency page;

At Least: Should be used to denote the lower cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate.

So, even though the character's upper limits and exact rating is uncertain, we say that they are at least ______ strong/powerful.

Does this help?
 
Nope. I can look at that section too. I'm referring to what we discussed earlier. About in implying the '+' tier or not.
 
Well, personally I don't think it implies the + tier.

I think the + can only be added via the result of a calc, going by the Attack Potency page: "The "+" symbol should only be used when the Attack Potency has been calculated to be greater than the average (arithmetic mean) of the high end energy level and low end energy level of a particular tier."
 
Well then I think a possibly or likely High 7-A should apply since 499 megatons is too low for most high tiers.
 
To be clear, I don't think that means that the + can be added, but that's not the same as capping the characters at the halfway point for 7-A.

At least just means establishing the lower cap for the character, not the upper cap.

Though in cases where the upper cap could be higher, we would use "higher" / "likely higher", etc, to go with the "At least".
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Dang, why does One Piece keep getting downgrades...
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Come on. That's not a relevant post for the thread dude.

I don't want to be rude, but if you took one look at the OP then you'd see why this is a downgrade thread.
 
Alright moving on then. SInce @Damage sort of addressed the list I'll brief him on some other issues in the sandbox.

Jozu: I don't know where you got + from. He should not even be included in the high tiers. Equalization only applies to top three. If we stretch it out to four then we have to include Snack or Pero as well (Which means a lot more names thanks to feats).

Tsu: She only chased Duffy (Unsuccessfully) 10+ years ago. That is a lot of time for her to decline and Duffy to improve. I think mid tier is safer scaling to Vice Admirals, at least until she gets some feats.

Duffy: Even he shouldn't be this high, let alone Tsu. Frankly I do not have the time or interest in the storm of denial @Cin would bring so I'll just say "At least Mountain Level" seems way too high. moving on.

Otherwise multiple descriptions are worded inaccurately. Most existed from before though so its no harm nor foul on your part here. I wonder if we should take this opprotunity to clear it up or if that would be too much for this thread.
 
Now would be a good opportunity to go through and fix them.

The + on Jozu is a leftover from his previous rating. Fixed it now.

While I agree that Jozu shouldn't get his rating purely by scaling, I don't think we can compare Whitebeard's number of commanders to the general crew of other Yonkou. Other Yonkou tend to have three commanders; Whitebeard has sixteen.
 
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@Dr. Fix; I agree with removing the possibly Large Mountain level from Doflamingo. I'll edit my sandbox shortly.

I'll take a look back at Tsuru's section soon.

As for the wording being inaccurate in other places, could you make some suggestions?
 
Kizaru

Currently lists the Quake feat despite that being ruled out in a CRT. Also "Strong enough to defeat Whitebeard's Commanders without much of a problem." is baseless. A better description which would yield the same value is:

AP: At Least Mountain Level, likely Large Mountain Level. Went blow for blow with Rayleigh Silvers and put various holes in Marco (Though his lasers ignore durability to an extent).

Durability: Was no worse for wear after blocking a kick from Marco.

SPD: Kept up with first officers.

Marco

AP: Clashed evenly with Akainu and overpowered Kizaru. A single one of his kicks destroyed Kuzan's weapon and sent the Admiral skidding back a great distance. Should be comparable to other first officers.

Durability: Did not let a single one of Kizaru's attacks reach Whitebeard and wasn't even slowed dow . His Regenerationn makes him hard to do last damaging on.

SPD: Remove the "off panel" bit. I don't recall any mention of this in the manga.

Rayleigh

AP: As the once first officer of the Pirate King he should be somewhat comparable to Katakuri. Even old he is able to go blow for blow with Kizaru and damage the Admiral.

Durability: Sustained no injuries in his fight with Kizaru.

Kuza

This one is okay as is, provided the quake is removed. Just focus on "should be at least as strong if not stronger than Kizaru".

Alslo,

Remove the bit about Dur-Negation because there is no reference to freezing on the Dur-Negation page nor the vivre cards. Alternatiely consider "Statistics Reduction " as the parametres of freezing specify frostbite (If occured because such is not always the case if the attack lacks juice) reduces their durability. That's not the same as bypassing it with durability negation.

Akainu

Again remove the Quake and "Stronger than any Yonko Commander". He probably is but there's nothing supporting it. His fights with Kuzan (Off panel), Marco, Ace, & Jinbei should be more than enough to give him the same rating without making up one liners.

WB Durability

His durabilty reasoning as it stands reads like stamina. Just reference his tanking Kuzan's ice and maybe a canon ball to the face. Ultimately we know his Durability scales to AP.
 
Cool, I'll start updating some of them soon. Though the speed points aren't relevant to this revision and should be handled afterwards. Likewise for Aokiji's Statistics Reduction.
 
Why do you portray admirals so inferior to Yonko? Marco didn't do any damage to Kizaru (Marco himself says that) Kizaru emerged unscathed from this attack (Even the sailor who was worried about him retreats shortly after realizing the same), he stopped a casual blow from Akainu due to his DF power (His power is said to be able to make his body take any attack and instantly regenerate after that) and only pushed Aokiji without showing to us any signs of damage to his body (The only possible thing done here is break the ice sword, but that doesn't even count as a big deal, since Nico Robin was able to do the same).

The only YC who did damage to an admiral was Jozu, but Aokiji was off-guard (You can argue that they fight off-panel but as we didn't see that, we can't draw conclusions since neither of them seemed to be having combat signs when the screen came back to focus on them), and both Yonko and admirals can be hurt by YC when they are off-guard (Queen broke the bones of Big Mom for exemple).

Admirals were supposed to scale Whitebeard, literally all three of Marineford were able to deal with Whitebeard for a period of time, especially Akainu who match his quake powers and even endured serious blows from him.
 
The difference in scale between Whitebeard's Country level calc, and the calcs that other characters can scale to, which are Mountain level (and Large Mountain level at most through a multiplier), is a really massive difference.

People don't want to see the Yonkou downgraded, so I've avoided calling it out as an outlier in recent months but it might be necessary in time.

Also, I'm pretty sure Queen did not break any of Big Mom's bones.
 
Taking into account that these High 7-A characters can be one-shoted for the 6-B, I don't see any inconsistency. The only mistake here is rank the admirals at that lower level when they are clearly competing with characters massively above that level.
 
If two Yonko are going to be defeated before the admirals, and the arc after Wano definitely being hinted at as a war with the marines and government I think we can expect they are higher than they're currently rated.

But, we should wait for that instead of pushing forward now considering this has been brought up so many times in the past.
 
And there's also evidence against it, which has been discussed countless times and the conclusion is always the same.
 
I already debunked these "evidences". I can debunk others but I don't know if this is the ideal place for that.
 
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