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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Kachon123 said:
But to address this, Big Mom has insane haki and is known to be a rival to his captain, so he likely didn't want to risk her going all out. At that moment in time, they were pretty relative (Enraged Base Big Mom amps and Zoan Queen without amps), so Big Mom with the strongest amp (Advanced Hao and Devil Fruit combo) would likely be more powerful that himself with his amps in his eyes.
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Yeah... Relative
 
That_moron said:
When?
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Kachon123 said:
Second and Third: Search up what Kinetic Energy is, and even with that, he took an insignificant amount of damage.
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That_moron said:
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_947_09.jpg
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Kachon123 said:
Notice how in the panel before we see that Queen got caught in an explosion. That damage isn't from Big Mom. Self body.
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Holy shit stop circling around. We've already been through this shit. Just read.
 
ZKillerz said:
That doesn't matter if we still scale him to them like they weren't tho does it?
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"Easily overpowered King and Queen plus several of their subordinates at once, after they had spent a week recuperating from their prior defeats (although neither All-Star had assumed his Zoan form, and King's lunarian flame was out, hence leaving him vulnerable)."

Exact text on the profile.
 
SlendVeny said:
"Easily overpowered King and Queen plus several of their subordinates at once, after they had spent a week recuperating from their prior defeats (although neither All-Star had assumed his Zoan form, and King's lunarian flame was out, hence leaving him vulnerable)."

Exact text on the profile.
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I'm reading his profile rn
His Ls, Durability, Ss and Speed is currently scaled to those characters even though they were injured
 
Kacho u have convinced me that Yamato is overrated. I believe she losing from Rooftop Zoro and 1010 Luffy. Your arguments made sense
 
Speaking of Queen taking damage from explosions, when Marco hit him with that Phoenix Brand, didn't a large part of that damage come from Queen's own laser exploding in his mouth?

You even see steam coming from his mouth in the same areas where you see blood coming out.
 
Eseseso said:
didn't a large part of that damage come from Queen's own laser exploding in his mouth?

You even see steam coming from his mouth in the same areas where you see blood coming out
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No, Queen's laser imploding in his mouth doesn't hurt him as we saw when Sanji did the same thing as Marco and Queen was unharmed.
 
Kachon123 said:
Queen wasn't unharmed. We see him scream in pain.
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I don't know if that counts as screaming in pain specifically, but we literally see Queen was unharmed compared to when Marco attacked him:
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Kachon123 said:
Queen had no physical damage on his skin from Marco's attack. He was bleeding from the laser.
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All this means is his attack didn't damage his external body, not that it wasn't the cause of the blood.
Haemoptysis is the act of coughing up blood. This is caused from the force of blunt attacks damaging blood vessels, causing blood and fluids to build up in your lungs. This created the popular notion that characters are getting their durability bypassed. This a flawed way of scaling, as organs and blood vessels are weaker than the actual body.
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It could've been a combination of Marco and the laser.

Plus Sanji hit the back of his head, Marco hit the arguably less durable neck area.
 
Eseseso said:
It could've been a combination of Marco and the laser.

Plus Sanji hit the back of his head, Marco hit the arguably less durable neck area.
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If it was a combination of the laser then there would have been a sign of damage after Sanji forced the same exact thing to happen.

This is meaningless as you're making the claim the laser contributed to the damage Queen took, hitting the neck/back of the head makes no difference in that comparison.
 
Ignoring pages for a sec and just focusing on personal beliefs, do y'all think that Shanks' natural durability is as high as Big Mom and Kaido (or at least close), or do y'all think Shanks makes up for potentially lower dura by having insane Haki durability?
 
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