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Chapter 1110
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One Piece General Discussion: Egghead
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DaMonkeMan
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He literally said he tanked it when he straight up didn't
I didn't even say he didn't scale to Zoro I'm just saying that Lucci definitely didn't tank his Santoryu stuff
I didn't even say he didn't scale to Zoro I'm just saying that Lucci definitely didn't tank his Santoryu stuff
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That's seems to be with hardening + named technique
DaMonkeMan
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You said 3 sword style Haki Zoro. That is the same Zoro that beat him like he stole something in 1110.
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Before 00: CP0ロブ・ルッチと再戦し"ギア5"で圧倒する
Before 00: Rematch with CP0 Rob Rucci and overwhelm him with "Gear 5
Before 00: 黄猿と再戦し互角以上に渡り合う
Before 00: A rematch with Yellow Monkey in which they go more than equal. (互角以上 = more than equal)
So does it mean Gear 5 >> Lucci and base Luffy or gear 4 luffy > Kizaru?
Before 00: Rematch with CP0 Rob Rucci and overwhelm him with "Gear 5
Before 00: 黄猿と再戦し互角以上に渡り合う
Before 00: A rematch with Yellow Monkey in which they go more than equal. (互角以上 = more than equal)
So does it mean Gear 5 >> Lucci and base Luffy or gear 4 luffy > Kizaru?
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I said haki as in enma haki and not hardening
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Is there a problem with this? Scaling to a nameless buso punch isn't that surprising.
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Mereoleona Vermillion vs Portgas D. Ace
Continuing my Black Clover vs One Piece battles this time we have the Lioness Mereoleona Vermillion up against the Yonko commander Portgas D. Ace Rules: Speed Equal No Prep Win by KO, Death, BFR, or Incap Standard Equipment Both at their strongest Start 50 feet apart Mereoleona Wins: 0 Ace...
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Wait how come?
DaMonkeMan
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The official coloring makes it seem like it's only ACoC or CoC, which explains why Kizaru could block it without getting the Hybrid Kaido treatment.
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Is more than evenly matched statement
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kizaru fans and admirals fans are COOKEDIn base form to thats straight diabolical
I hate Admiral fans as much as the next pirate, but how do we know this isn't referring to the overall fight?
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It is, that note was mentioned in the timeline section at the bottom, there was no picture attributed to it
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This was in the timeline section. It's referring to the whole fight.
EDIT: Ninja'd
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Plus, we know for a fact that Gear 4 and Base Luffy are weaker than Kizaru so that wouldn't make sense anyways.
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Insane cap... Kizaru even mentions it against gear 4 and is shown as well
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Kizaru literally tanked all of Snakeman's hits, blitzed one of his punches to dodge, and kicked Luffy out the form.
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because it's his base vivrecard, otherwise it would've specified gear 5 which it didn't
Gear 5 is clearly shown to not only overwhelm but completely outclass kizaru and one shot him
The the clear statements aren't even debatable in my view
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Tanked one hit and said VERY powerful stuff after luffy overpowered his lasers... One punch was later about to go into his head and he had to dodge and fly away because he had no other option. He had to accelerate and charge up his attack to even able to get an upper hand... Stop twisting the situation
He also did not kick luffy out of the form as luffy was clearly still snakeman while flying away and mentions only the barriers doing damage from it's heat
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The statement was in Luffy's timeline. Gear 5's Vivre Card doesn't have a timeline because it applies to both. It's the timeline for Egghead Luffy in general, not just base Luffy.
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and mentions nothing about gear 5 in the same timeline.
With both kaido and Lucci they clearly reference gear 5 in the timeline
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They were clashing with each other, "tanking" is not the right word.
Dodging a punch is not "blitzing", like i said, they were clashing with each other so him blitzing Luffy wouldn't even makes sense, unless you wanna argue his travel speed is superior to Luffy's punches, but then again, he was only firing lasers at Luffy instead of blitzing him all the time so i don't think his travel speed is that useful in combat.
We never see the aftermath of Kizaru's kick, so this is just not true, also most of the @Damage3245 that Luffy receives is from the barrier.
Now, i don't wanna argue that G4 is superior to Kizaru, or even equal actually, i do think that Kizaru has been portrayed as superior, just not by that much.
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In Manga panels like this, they are just snapshots of the total action sequence. While the manga only shows Luffy hit Kizaru with his punches 3 times, it's obvious that they're having many more exchanges in this scene than just the 3 punches landed and 5 lasers shot. Just like how in this panel, technically we can only see Luffy's fist make 4 impacts on Kaidou. Does that mean that in that panel Luffy only hit Kaidou 4 times? Obviously not. The purpose is to show action, not a still image.
This was a mistranslation. Kizaru simply only said "You're tough," which isn't wrong and doesn't change the fact that Kizaru still beat him. Kaidou acknowledged the strength of Luffy but was still superior to him up until a certain point.
Do you understand how bad of an argument this is? You can literally say this for anyone who has dodged literally any attack ever. I can do the same thing.
That's like saying Lucci's strikes were about to hit Zoro's head, so he had to dodge because he had no other option even though we literally see Zoro deflect Lucci's attacks moments earlier and even come out on top in their exchange right after. Saying that Kizaru had "no other option" but to dodge makes no sense because similarly to the Lucci example I gave, we see Kizaru take Luffy's hits to his body without taking damage and then later come out on top in their exchange.
Even if Kizaru was forced to dodge, that still doesn't change the fact that in dodging, he also blitzed Luffy.
Accelerating is part of his abilities. It's still all Kizaru. Using your abilities in battle to get the upper hand is literally the definition of standard battle tactics.
He was in Snakeman up until a certain point where we see the smoke get released from his body. The same thing happens every other single time he got hit out of Gear 4:
Gets defeated by Kaidou, smoke comes out of his mouth after.
Gets hit by Kaidou, smoke comes out of his mouth after.
Gets killed by Kaidou, smoke comes out of his mouth after.
Guess whose abilities the barriers were based on.
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F no am I dealing with this... I'll just wait for oda to even more clearly spell it out for the people that actually believe in this
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Kizaru visibly took 3 hits to the body.
Kizaru was able to move so quickly that Luffy didn't realize he was gone until after his punch missed and hit a rock behind him. The act of dodging itself isn't a blitz. It's a blitz because of Luffy's reaction to it (or lack thereof).
Please reread the panels where Luffy was kicked by Kizaru. I explained in my post above.
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He already did.
In the vivre card, it states that Luffy fought evenly if not better than Kizaru. How could that possibly be referring to Base Luffy or Gear 4 Luffy when we know for a fact that Kizaru won the scuffle? When saying that Luffy and Kizaru fought evenly, it's referring to this panel, and when it says that Luffy had an edge, it's obvious that it's talking about the White Star Gun or Giant Luffy exchanges.
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1 hit.
He reacted mid movement still, there's no blitz... Same way he did even with his insanely far away acceleration
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That wasn't just an edge... That was a gap larger than kaido's hole (pause
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Never noticed that, fair.
Fair point on the smoke thing, but i would still like to see the anime version of It because the drawing is kinda hard to see.
Though, i don't really care about the barrier point, the barrier and Kizaru are different things, Luffy being mostly fine after Kizaru's lasers while still being ****** up by the barrier just shows that they don't output the some power.
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Well, I wouldn't say Kizaru is necessarily above Boundman.
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he even experienced gear 5 as well...
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You ain't say Snakeman, I assumed you were talking about Gear 4 in general. And Lucci still thought he could slam Zoro, so he was assuming that him, Kaku, and Kizzy would start slaughtering.
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