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One Piece General Discussion: Egghead

Well, You're wrong.
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Even the basics of one piece can't be understood by Americans/influence of American people... This world is f ed up 😴
 
XDragnoir said:
I'd say "higher level" doesn't inherently mean "punch harder" much less "get physically stronger and then you will be able to do internal damage" either, you know.
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it means harder/more potent haki, not punch harder... Where the f you getting that from

And as shown with katakuri, higher level means that... (harder/more potent Haki)
XDragnoir said:
And IMO, "The strength of those who have mastered "high ki" is of a different level." doesn't really mean anything here? We're talking about how to unlock these abilities not how you're classified after unlocking them, mind you, this statement is taking Future Sight into account so physical strength is obviously not the point here either.
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Still don't know why you're talking about physical strength..
XDragnoir said:
As for that Katakuri scan... yeah? I am not saying potency doesn't exist so idk why you brought that scan up,
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Read above
XDragnoir said:
Indeed, didn't Hyogoro say (or at least imply) that the flowing haki he was teaching to Luffy is common in Wano? That wouldn't make sense if Buso layers was somehow tied to it.
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Facts > you're assumptions


Buso potency is tied to their level of haki which internal destruction is classified as (a higher level)
|Effective against physical disables other than nature-based abilities
Besides natural-types, the Armament Color's high ki is also effective against physical nullifiers such as rubber and mochi. If both parties are Haiki-users, the degree of their proficiency is important.
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XDragnoir said:
Ignoring your freudian slip, do we scale layers like that? I thought sub applications (such as their haki barrier and Luffy's internal damage) were treated as side powers rather than "advanced is inherently higher than non-advanced".
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It isn't inherently higher, it just gives them an easy advantage.
 
LordGinSama said:
Yamato beating Akainu is funny.


The colored trio are literally hard counters to Yamato. Akainu has passive heat aura that exceeds the temperature of her ice so there goes that.


Kuzan is ice itself so he can most likely manipulate the ice she generates and to a much greater degree while also being essentially immune to her ice.

Kizaru literally cannot be frozen due to how his Devil Fruit works. You literally cannot freeze photons so good luck with that.


They all have durability negation that would work on her, Akainu can vaporize her, Kizaru can outright spam lasers with durability negation properties and Kuzan's cold temperature likely far exceeds her resistance.
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Can logia control their element even if they didn’t produced it? She can apply haki to her ice abilities.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Yes… Remember Kizaru talking with Saturn about that
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We didn't Kizaru controlling the laser dome; we just him not being hurt by it.

I don't think we've ever seen a Logia user control part of their element that they didn't produce; except for Crocodile in the desert perhaps.
 
Damage3245 said:
It doesn't say that Zunesha's trunk is 20 km in length, but Zunesha's body is 20 km in length (and 35 km in height) which are figures given to us in the Vivre Card.
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isn't it 35km in height and 20 km in length above water? Which the trunk reaches with its length
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
isn't it 35km in height and 20 km in length above water? Which the trunk reaches with its length
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35000m 821px
375.8px (16020.706455542m)

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35000m 573px
205 30.5 38.6 = 274.1px (16742.582897033m)
It's consistent on being close around 20km
 
Sinpokefan said:
Did you all saw the new Ryuma one shot? Also pretty sure is canon so we could use it to scale him (and maybe other people)
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Is it canon? I know oda used it for some basis on some one piece characters and I think wano but I don’t think it’s canon.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
it means harder/more potent haki, not punch harder... Where the f you getting that from
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No? When talking about Advanced (Internal damage and FS) it's talking about a higher level of mastery/control and therefore application of one's haki, "harder" haki has nothing to do with these advanced stages.

MonkeyOfLife said:
And as shown with katakuri, higher level means that... (harder/more potent Haki)
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Yeah, that's potency, which I am saying doesn't tie to ones ability to use flowing haki, future sight or any other advanced stage.

Like, literally, Katakuri had higher potency than Luffy but didn't have any application that Luffy didn't have with Buso, because these two things aren't directly tied.

MonkeyOfLife said:
Still don't know why you're talking about physical strength..
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Swap any time I said "physical strength" by "haki potency" I guess.

MonkeyOfLife said:
Facts > you're assumptions
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"Your"

Assumption? Did you read Wano? Hyogoro himself and iirc the scabbards know how to do flowing haki, they're not inherently more layered than people who don't have flowing haki, because advanced applications don't equate to layers.

MonkeyOfLife said:
Buso potency is tied to their level of haki which internal destruction is classified as (a higher level)
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A higher level of mastery and application, not a higher level of potency, again, higher level doesn't mean "stronger" or "more layered" in this context.

Like, did Kaido and Big Mom even showcase advanced buso? The Scabbards surely don't have higher layers than them even tho their haki is advanced
 
Fireld said:
They demostrated buso emission when Kaido clashed vs Luffy & BM KOed P1.
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The no touch thing, right?

In that case, do Zoro, King and Aramaki have any kind of Advanced Buso? Iirc Zoro's Alabasta amp has something to do with Buso, not sure it's Advanced, the other 2 don't have anything afaik and they have more layers than the Scabbards.
 
XDragnoir said:
The no touch thing, right?
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Yup
XDragnoir said:
In that case, do Zoro, King and Aramaki have any kind of Advanced Buso? Iirc Zoro's Alabasta amp has something to do with Buso, not sure it's Advanced, the other 2 don't have anything afaik and they have more layers than the Scabbards.
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Yes, Zoro has it. There was a thread that made his Breath/Steel Cutting Technique count as Advacned Armament. The other 2, nada so far.
 
Regarding versus match-ups: For cross-verse matchup battles, logia Devil Fruit users are susceptible to attacks that are capable countering their elemental intangibility (ex: fire melting ice)
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🙉 how is that an example of countering their intangabilty, using Crocodile is the best example for that
 
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XDragnoir said:
He's not talking about Advanced Buso as he doesn't have Advanced Buso, wtf are you talking about?
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He's talking about levels of arm haki, the same which advanced buso is stated to be of a higher level of.

It's not a hard thing to understand, different levels are different potencies, as katakuri said, which internal destruction is referred to as being at a higher level
 
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MonkeyOfLife said:
He's talking about levels of arm haki, the same which advanced buso is stated to be of a higher level of.

It's not a hard thing to understand, different levels are different potencies, as katakuri said, which internal destruction is referred to as being at a higher level
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So... if there were a databook, hypothetically, saying Marco had Haki on par with the Admirals, he would have to be Advanced?
 
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