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One Piece Discussion Thread

Base Luffy in Punk Hazard will be downgraded to 9.9 Megatons (7-B) scaling to Smoker and Vergo since there's no one else really, and he basically stomped Caesar Clown, who is gonna be Low 7-B+.

All 7-B+ are gonna be Low 7-B+ (4.95MT)

All 7-A will be 7-B (9.9MT).

Zoro and Sanji will both be "At least 7-B" and their AP + Dura will say "At least City level, likely City level+" scaling to Zoro's feat and Elizabello.

So only Zoro and Sanji scale to the 20 something MT feat while

Elizabello has his 80+ MT feat.

@Yoh - ? Zoro's feats are unimpressive compared to the feats that Luffy has applied and tanked. Fujitora's Ferocious Tiger attack alone makes Zoro's feat look trash, and Luffy wasn't harmed by it. Luffy had also indirectly caused similar levels of destruction with his base attacks <_<.

Fuji's casual lifting and casual attack are all tens to hundreds of times stronger than anything Zoro did at his best.

Zoro > Base Luffy = Lol.

Idk what you are trying to prove when Zoro sliced Pica's top half in two. Much lower AP than his initial strike.
 
it was a simple nameless sword swing. and luffy tanked because he's immune to blunt force. :^\

grizzle magnum has nothing on base zoro.
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grizzle magnum on pika.

not to mention that fujitora wasn't trying and wasn't gonna capture luffy but help him escape. the only time he knocked him back was with a punch fujitora saw coming from miles away, and fujitora wasn't scratched. but he defended himself from zoro while he was pinned and fujitora got pushed back several meters from a nameless.
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not to mention that hole was pretty deep cuz in one of the panels zoro was still falling.
 
"Nameless sword swing." Fujitora's attack is named Ferocious Tiger, and again, it is far more impressive than ANYTHING Zoro has applied by hundreds of multipliers. And Luffy is not immune to blunt force, he merely has resistance due to being elastic. Blunt attacks can harm Luffy if they are potent enough. See his fights against Rob Lucci and Doflamingo (before Gear 4th). Doflamingo's non-haki infused kicks made Luffy cough up blood, and Rob Lucci's punches and kicks were consistently dealing damage to Luffy.

Luffy aimed for Pica's head, intent on a KO shot or killing him, as he did not know the functions of his ability and merely presumed that Pica's statue body and real body were linked. Had he tried to aim at his body, it would've had a much different effect. Not to mention how Zoro's attack on Pica was one of his "Secret techniques", and after his flurry of attacks on Pica, he was noticeably exhausted afterwards.

Zoro pushed Fujitora back a few meters and didn't do anything to him. He merely surprised Fujitora, and then disengaged. You can't tell me he was more of a threat than Gear 3rd Luffy based on that. (Not to mention that Fujitora practically saved Zoro from the ass-beating of his life. He was gonna get the Sanji treatment)

Luffy sent Fujitora flying, and yes, Fujitora blocked the punch. Not to mention that merely fighting against Gear 3rd Luffy left Fujitora breathing heavily and sweating profusely.

Not like it really matters because against both Zoro and Luffy, Fujitora wasn't even trying as he did not even apply Haki, and he was in a defensive stance for the vast majority of both engagements.

Zoro has nothing to support him being even close to Base Luffy yet. Despite me thinking that Zoro and Sanji are both at least within his league.
 
Ferocious tiger is only impressive because of it's aoe. zoro uses cutting attacks. they're both even to me but zoro's nameless attack is more impressive tbh. him overpowering fujitora's gravity is more impressive since law could barley lift a finger. Fujitora applied dozens times more pressure on zoro than he did with law. and to even push an admiral back whilst under that much pressure is impressive asf. fujitora even commented and said it was "brutal".

I mean sometimes it doesn't always show when haki is used, like there's invisible armour. lucci was wearing luffy down with his attacks, doubt he was doing any significant damage without utilizing his claws/finger pistol and toriko leg knife whilst knocking him against structures that grazed him. if you look at luffy v asgard moria, he encased Luffy within a black box, then flattened it like a soda can which he then split the island. tanking that is better than tanking ferocious tiger. also arguments luffy's resistance, cuz if you're right about rob lucci harming him with punch and kicks then his resistance to blunt force is inconsistent.


the points you made about Pika is valid, luffy making fujitora sweat is minor because zoro would've done the same thing since his no named attacks to fujitora are "brutal".


Zoro pushed back fujitora then him and doffy ran away like 2 asses. Zoro would've unleashed the demons on doffy.

well. I think at least zoro in base is on par with g2 luffy, applied haki is on gear 3rds lvl, and Ashura below gear4th.

hopefully everything goes according to plan because Oda might be setting up a Zoro vs Luffy round 2. right now in the story, Zoro hasn't been pleased with luffy's actions since Ussop left the ship. and he's been on his ass in recent arcs, especially Zou. Zoro might fight for captain or even leave.... then come back next day like nothing happened. :^] jk. it's a high possibility.
 
Ferocious Tiger is impressive because it blew up two mountain-sized boulders from a large distance away. Zoro merely sent Pica's top half flying upwards when Fujitora also did that and more by merely lifting his arm and activating his power. Also, the Fujitora feat of destroying the boulders = well over a gigaton of Tnt via a mere shockwave--Luffy tanked the attack at point-blank, and Zoro's Daisen Sekkai = absolutely nothing compared to that.

Uh, Moriah's "island splitting feat" is absolute trash. The size of Thriller bark is just nearing 1 kilometer in diameter and merely fragmenting it (which Moriah wasn't even competent enough to do) was barely in the middle to Town level. Ferocious Tiger is Small Island level on a small scale... Don't compare the two because Fujitora's feat is drastically superior especially since each of those mountain-sized boulders dwarf Thriller Bark.

Fujitora calling Zoro's slash "brutal" is not the same as suggesting it to be powerful. He was impressed by Zoro's ability to send a flying slash. "Zoro would have done the same thing" - not supported despite Zoro having attacked Fujitora off panel before Pica showed up to attack the Colosseum Fighters.

Zoro is no where near Luffy's level as of Dressrosa. Simple as that.

You're wanking Zoro if you seriously think he would have taken BOTH Doflamingo and Fujitora. So, what... you mean to tell me Zoro >>>>> Sanji and > Gear 4th Luffy? Okay~ Doflamingo would've one-shot him like he was going to do to Sanji. Fujitora saved him--simple as that.
 
While I definitely don't think Zoro is above Fujitora, Doffy or Luffy, I do think you're underselling Zoro quite a bit. As you said, Fuji used his gravity powers to lift the Pica statute whereas Zoro did it was the force of his strike alone. Pretty impressive.
 
Zoro has nothing but hype and a feat in the middle of City level that clearly required at least moderate effort seeing how he was quite exhausted after he defeated Pica.

He'll eventually reach that level, but as of now, he's outclassed by each of these character quite severely. Fujitora's power isn't something that would be at such a magnitude passively. He has brought down meteorites of this size while eating a cup of noodles (Mountain level), and that's already several times more potent than anything Zoro has dished out. A devil fruit is only as potent as its user. Fujitora's tier 6 meteorites tho.

If he pulls out a tier 6 feat in Wano, cool... he gets upgraded.
 
1. true. maybe because zoro didn't get a fight yet and since you put it that way then yes, fujitora was impressive but then again, it was his devil fruit. not saying zoro can take fujitora with or without. I don't think he's on that lvl yet, mainly because Zoro hasn't had any mid-high diff fights yet because they've been fodderized. ha. :^]

2. I know it's town lvl. it's an island that is as big as a town but still more impressive due to the fact that luffy was incased inside a black box and got hit by a punch surpassing his durability that cracked the "town island" and came out with no notable damage.

4. you're only saying that because you don't really like zoro. it's clear to see that Zoro hasn't even been trying and always been put up against weaker characters. like, he hasn't even used Ashura or any demons.

5. that's clearly a joke. but I guess he could take on doffy and trade blows with him as did law but better... and I believe that Ashura is breaking out of parasite. just my observation. Zoro's armament>> luffy's zoro's observation = luffy's dressrosa.
 
1. The Devil Fruit is as potent as the user. It's not like eating a Devil Fruit would make a baby god-like... Look at Luffy and Law when they first ate their fruits. They had no control and required years of training before they amounted to anything. Fujitora's casual meteorites from earlier in the arc are already 10x stronger than Zoro's Daisen Sekkai.

2. Luffy's resistance to blunt force is to thank for that. And it's not like he'd be one-shot by someone barely into the next tier when Luffy himself is questionably near said tier in the first place.

4. That's ridiculous. I enjoy Zoro as a character and he's my 3rd favorite among the straw-hats. He has no way to match someone of Fujitora's level or Luffy's. Simple as that.

5. "clearly a joke", mhmm... You mean how Sanji could trade blows with Doflamingo? Sanji was utterly stomped and no one can argue that Zoro in base is any stronger than him. Zoro would've gotten the same treatment. And again, you're wanking Zoro pretty hard to suggest his haki to be superior to Luffy's when that's not supported, and on the contrary, Luffy has much better enhancement feats with Haki.

Note: The Zoro/Pica/Elizabello feats need to be revisited again anyways since someone found me a better scaling image. Probably going back to 7-A.
 
-damage never said he's above but not that far behind luffy & law. and exactly what I just said.

-who wouldn't be a "little" exhausted after sending the top half of pika airborne, traveling to the plateau, traveling back to pika, cutting the top half then cutting the left half in multiple sections, traveling up towards pika, has a short convo with pika, then cutting pika whilst the top half is still airborne then traveling back to the plateau until king panchu. going by that, sanji crossed dressrosa and greenbit to help name and company. luffy ran one end of the island to the next to throw a punch and was panting heavily.
 
Fujitora did what Zoro did and more and was behaving normally...

having a convo with Pica means... what exactly? They have superhuman speeds, so idk what you're trying to suggest. and back-talk between Protag and Antag is typical Shounen action.
 
true. but then again it's a devil fruit, they learn how to use it. i'ts like giving you a gun and not knowing how to use it. you learn how to use it. you only become more skilled with it. sabo got ace's fruit and look what happened there. the power is already set in motion.

Zoro's Haki being better than luffy is factual. Zoro's haki emits an aura. sanji's observation beats luffy's dressrosa, idk about now. luffy's haki in g4 probably is better because it harmonized with his devil fruit.

Zoro is clearly stronger than sanji. Sanji got beat by judge and did no damage to a already battered luffy.

tryna eat and type. i'm behind.
 
Zoro's specializes in Armanant Haki, that doesn't automatically imply it is stronger.

It just means he uses it at best far more then Luffy does.

Sanji being beaten by Judge is not really an equivilancy. First off, he held back at the last second because he didnt want to hurt someone in the way. And also, he did knock out a weakened Luffy, not sure what you mean by he 'did no damage'.

And even if he didnt, Luffy is Low 6-B, How is someone 7-B gonna damage someone literally a hundred/thousand times more powerful?

Zoro has never damaged someone who is Low 6-B/6-B

He has fought people on that level before and lost

He got crushed by Fujitora and when he did attack him, Fujitora got knocked back, He received no damage what so ever.

Also, not far behind? By what direct source? If you go back to Fujitora, that point is dead since he did no damage.

Also, Cin literally stated they had superhuman speeds. No one in real life moves with MHS speed.
 
because his armament haki takes a form of a demonic aura, it would make sense that it might as well be the next stage or reaching the next stage of armament haki. "it just means he uses it at best far more than luffy does" he used it twice.

1st off, Lanji had no advantage in the fight and was even beaten in air combat, something he even said that it's his forte.

luffy was weakened and beaten up, he didn't even use haki to defend. ofc he would get hurt by someone at 7-B. just look at luffy vs bellemy but tables turned. this time luffy used haki to defend. did u see him cough up blood? I did too.

zoro has never damaged someone who is 7-B because he never got the chance to. and we all know that he's capable of outputting enough force to damage someone at 6-B. :^]

fujitora recived no damage because he blocked it. same with gear 3 luffy? point ain't dead. :^]

I misinterpreted what he ment by it.
 
best to stop right here and call it a day because we're just going around in circles at this point.


about one piece characters seeing ghosts. we've had countless people seeing persona's ghost and everyone saw loa G's ghost when he died then came back to life. :^]
 
1. That was never proven. His Haki was never once stated to be linked to his 'demonic aura'. The only thing the two have in common is that they both have connections with the word 'Spirit'. This sounds like a leap of logic.

2. Uh what? He dodged all of Judge's attacks effortlessly and even blocked his blade with his haki. He never also once said Air Combat is his forte iirc.

3. You are moving the goal post. You first said and I quote. "did no damage to a already battered luffy." and then I said. "He knocked luffy into unconciousness."

Yeah, luffy was weakened, but you first claimed that he did no damage, which is just a lie.

4. No, he cant? He has never been shown to output a force to damage a 6-B, that is a an argument from belief in my mind.

5. Yes it is.

Because that would mean Zoro hasn't damaged a 6-B thus he does not get a 6-B/Low 6-B rating.

There, simple as that

Edit: Yeah, sure. calling it a day with this post too.

Not gonna debate this anymore.

Zoro will get a Low 6-B/6-B feat soon.
 
Well, Zoro doesn't have anything higher than 7-A from what I just calc'd, but he will scale to 6-C or High 7-A from what I just got for Pica and Elizabello.
 
when did I say it's linked to his demons? I said it has a demonic aura because of the way it flows.

you're right, the anime ****** me other on that one. he said "the irony" not only that but for two panels after sanji blocked the hit with haki, he was on his knees. judge said "what's wrong, I thought I trained you blip blop."

luffy was unconscious for a few seconds. but when did u say that he knocked him unconscious? ofcourse he did damage which was no damage at all. a few light burns and a missing tooth. :^]

he pushed back a 6-B character whilst under so much pressure. 10x the pressure he used on law and zoro still pushed him back. enough evidence to support my claims. if zoro had a free hit on fujitora with the same nameless attack he did on fujitora, he would be cut since swords are more proficient and again, he pushed him back with the odds against him. would sanji or luffy in base do scratch him?

not arguing for zoro to get tier 6-B btw. lol
 
1. Demonic Aura =/= inantely powerful. And that literally makes no sense. It is colored black like all haki.

2. On your knees =/= weaker then the guy you are fighting, Sanji wasnt even damaged. He could still fight afterward.

3. Again, moving the goal post. He was dealt damage, you said none.

4. That attack did nothing at all. We also don't know who is a better swords man. Fujitora is an admiral, so my money is on him. Luffy ain't even Admiral level even with G4.

5. Then why are you arguing?

You cant write a paragraph and then say "BTW NOT ARGUING LUL."

That makes literally no sense. If you are not trying to change my mind, why did you write a paragraph in the first place.
 
And now I take my leave.

  • leaves with the infamous 6-A whitebeard calc as I stop talking about one piece on this site for another month*
 
I think we should add a weakness that Katakuri cannot see into the future after he does an action to prevent it. It explains why Sanji was able to dodge Katakuri's jellybean.
 
> A devil fruit is only as potent as its user.

This is a bit misleading. Devil Fruits can be improved upon and can be used in creative ways by intelligent users, but Devil Fruits themselves can offer just a straight-up ability which isn't dependent on how strong the user is.

Blackbeard - despite obviously being far from Whitebeards level - was able to shake Marineford and the surrounding sea, and threatened to sink it just like how Whitebeard was shaking it earlier, despite only gaining the ability minutes ago at most.
 
Stop wanking Zoro <_<. He has a little aura surrounding his busoshoku haki... so what? Luffy did to, and this wouldn't even prove that Zoro is > Luffy with Haki, rofl.

@Damage - Blackbeard had already had decades of experience watching the Goro Goro no mi in action. Not to mention how he had been doing research on Devil fruits since the early days of being part of the Whitebeard crew. Not to mention that he was already quite powerful before eating the Goro Goro no mi despite not being Whitebeard's level. It doesn't really matter as he was strong enough to defeat Ace one-on-one.

He is the only Devil Fruit user of note to be talented enough to use it effectively immediately after eating it, despite having noted to have little control over it. Characters like Kaku and Kalifa displayed redundancies and even used their own DF abilities to unintentionally hinder their attacks (Kaku going full Giraffe by accident, and when he discovered his "Pasta Machine". Kalifa used a Shigan on an area that was slippery, making Nami get through the attack unscathed.)

Not to mention that Kaku and Kalifa never displayed any notable increase in attack power as compared to before (except for Kaku's Rankyaku: Amane Dachi, but he is a Zoan, and Zoans drastically increase the physical ability of its user).
 
Yoh Asakura8 said:
one piece is getting a Hollywood live action movie
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Going by Hollywood's track record, it is almost guaranteed to suck. Possibly the only time they pulled off manga/anime stuff well was the Gundam vs MechaGodzilla fight in Ready Player One - but that's Steven Spielberg in a Meta-narrative
 
CinCameron20 said:
Not to mention that Kaku and Kalifa never displayed any notable increase in attack power as compared to before (except for Kaku's Rankyaku: Amane Dachi, but he is a Zoan, and Zoans drastically increase the physical ability of its user).
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Kaku's shigan (Kili-manjaro in giraffe form) did become much stronger. Of course, he started using his nose (rather snout) and winding up his neck ...

At any rate, I think Zoro is probably due for an upgrade in the Wano Arc. Unlike Sanji who is foremost a cook, Zoro's main purpose in the narrative is to get stronger and eventually unseat Mihawk as the best swordsman, so his arc is likely to have at least one big battle
 
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