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One Piece Discussion Thread Thirteen Impel Down

Was Pre-TS Shilliew Low 6B ? He was considered as dangerous as Magellan despite having no hax- implying he could have soloed the BB pirates too
 
The Popular Loser said:
He might be with that suit in all honesty
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Yes, Zoro could do something Low 6B Shutenmaru couldn't do before getting a yonko level sword yet he loses to someone who was getting overpowered by Page One.
 
LordWhis said:
Was Pre-TS Shilliew Low 6B ? He was considered as dangerous as Magellan despite having no hax- implying he could have soloed the BB pirates too
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Furthermore, Magellan was pretty sure that Shilliew was capable of dealing with the BB pirates on his own.
 
> implying he could have soloed the BB pirates too

Nowhere is that implied.
 
And Magellan knows the exact strength of the BB pirates because...?
 
Did Blackbeard run from Akainu because the island they were on was made of Magma ? Akainu would probably have been greatly amped.
 
That's not a good indicator for Shilliew's strength. The only good indicator for Shiliew's strength is Magellan since Ivankov stated that they are comparable but Magellan's full power is still an unknown factor and scaling him to pre-timeskip Luffy is a massive lowball to his strength
 
Magellan took out the BB Pirates. He did it with hax yes but if he really is equal to Mag then Shilliew should be able to do the same with AP.
 
> He did it with hax yes but if he really is equal to Mag then Shilliew should be able to do the same with AP.

> Trying to equate hax to AP

Ha! No, this really isn't how it works.
 
The amount of head-canon is hilarious.

Anyways, that was 36 years ago, WB would be 38 (since he died at 72, 2 years ago). He could have reached his prime during his late 40s or early 50s, there's no reason to assume a ripe age = his strongest.

Magellan had his hands full w/ the whole escapee situation, which is the only reason he let Shilliew out. If anything, yes, he thought the BB pirates could be dealt with, or at least stalled. He clearly underestimated them when he decided to leave them alone after poisoning them.
 
Zoro has actually met,interacted with,argued with and insulted Blackbeard which automatically makes a encounter between them 99% more viable than most anime EOS final fight speculations.
 
Why is everybody talking about Attack Potency when this is a General Thread?

We should discuss the Foreshadowings and the Revelations and Everything More!

But on that note,do you think Whitebeard will show some fraction of the power of his Prime in Wano?
 
I think it would be unfair to not give Oden 6B at this point

Ryuuma should get it as well since he scales above Oden.
 
Kay, since the translation finally came: it's 30 years prior to where we are, so 28 years before WB's death. He was 44 years old at this point. And we already know Oden is a monster if he tamed Enma, and also scarred Kaido 20 years back--albeit a potentially weaker Kaido.
 
If Oden is this strong yet wasn't strong enough to manifest a black blade- how strong must Mihawk be ?

And people think Mihawk is Yonko commander level LOL
 
To be fair, this event takes place several years before Roger was executed. It is unlikely that Whitebeard had reached his peak, and also Oden served as a commander on his ship before also serving on Roger's ship.

I've been doubting WB being = to Roger anyways. With how many events are unfolding, it is starting to look like Roger was indeed in a league of his own, and WB was being hyped up when stated to be his rival when we know that's contradictory to the plot regarding how Roger became King. Of course, this would also be because of his crew (Silvers Rayleigh is a certified bad-ass at 70).

Regarding the Black Blade, it really seems like a permanent change in the blade's composition via Haki, and would only be possible for a master of that form of Armament. Suggesting Mihawk > Oden solely because he had a black blade is like saying Zoro > Luffy because Zoro can use the ability and Luffy can not.

  • Applying Haki to weapons and clothing is something only the Kuja, Doflamingo, Vergo, Smoker, Zoro, Fujitora and the Wano Samurai (Kanjuro and Kinemon) have done post time-skip.
    • In b4 someone says Luffy did it vs Doflamingo w/ Rhino Schneider (Again...) when that was an anime-only mistake.
 
I'm pretty sure 44 year old WB should be 6B. He is most definitely stronger than the post-squardo stab WB from Marineford.
 
CinCameron20 said:
I've been doubting WB being = to Roger anyways. With how many events are unfolding, it is starting to look like Roger was indeed in a league of his own, and WB was being hyped up when stated to be his rival when we know that's contradictory to the plot regarding how Roger became King. Of course, this would also be because of his crew (Silvers Rayleigh is a certified bad-ass at 70).

Regarding the Black Blade, it really seems like a permanent change in the blade's composition via Haki, and would only be possible for a master of that form of Armament. Suggesting Mihawk > Oden solely because he had a black blade is like saying Zoro > Luffy because Zoro can use the ability and Luffy can not.
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When I said that to you you were like- Stop scaling characters from feats 40 years before 😁

Considering that Mihawk and Oden have practically the same powerset and Tengu dude said that Oden wasn't able to turn Enma into a black blade and also it seems like a swordsman thing I think it's valid.
 
People like Sakazuki, Kizaru, Katakuri, are 40-50+ and seem to be in their primes. Hell, even Big Mom is 68 apparently, maybe 70 is the cut off age. lol

Or maybe it just varies from person to person and we shouldn't use arbitrary methods of trying to find out what the universal "prime" age is in this universe.
 
AstralKing7 said:
We really need to find a sway of scaling these characters based on their age.
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It would be better if characters had any other feats besides trying to scale almost everyone to Whitebeard's earthquakes.
 
What i remember is people wanting to scale Garp and Roger as > or even >> WB simply because of the Rocks event (16 years prior to Roger's death).

What I said has nothing to do with that. I'm simply implying Roger to be > WB by the time he became king. And that doesn't mean WB was already at his strongest by then. He could've gotten stronger over the decades before age and sickness took over.

Hence why scaling doesn't work, especially when Oden vs Kaido happened 2 decades ago.
 
Oh, wow. Luffy vs Zoro is the final battle then, since he also insulted Luffy.

But then Nami appears and reveals she has been the final boss all this time, after the physical punishment he gave to Luffy in the entire manga.

Only to hype Higuma's comeback, for insulting Shanks, proving that he's the top dog here.
 
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