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I've been working on a MGS skill blog and feat section for about a year nowBesides probably Earl I haven't seen anyone attempt to make one of those and today is the first time I heard about an actual crt for that.
mihawk solos both of these dog water verses ongDid someone say skill?
Ok I just got back from work and HOLY HELL this thread has gotten heated and possibly off topic, but I'm here to give my vote, and I think despite all the factors here, Jaune wins this by an edge.
See, despite Iaians superior skill and greater AP, Jaune's Aura and his great Aura reserves means that the Katana wielder can't immediately end the fight in a few strikes, and although I don't believe Weekly's statement that Jaune's Aura Amp puts him at low-7B, I do believe that at minimum it could grant Jaune an AP/durability increase comparable to Iaian. I mean, even if the Amp was only a two fold increase in power, that would still place Jaune at a comparable AP to Iaian, so I believe that AP isnt the biggest factor in this matchup.
Still, though, even if the AP was similar here, Iaian does have the edge in skill, and his Analytical Predictions and Extrasensory perceptions means he would be definetely dominating in fight with Jaune if swordsmanship was the only factor here. However, upon further analysis (which to be fair I had forgotten to mention in my original post), Jaune has something that ultimately gives him the victory here: his leadership skills.
See, despite being less skilled than even the rest of the RWBY cast, Jaune is a talented leader, being able to notice weakspots in enemies and being able to coordinate himself and his teammates to take down superior foes, which can be seen as early as season one when team JNPR fought the Scorpion Grimm, despite having next to no skill at that point and only just recently discovering his Aura. With this is mind, while Jaune may not matchup to Iaian's skill, his ability to deduce weaknesses could allow him to determine a way to defeat the Katana man with what resources he has available. So naturally for Jaune, this would likely involve finding a way to deprive him of either his focus or his weapon.
Of course, even though Jaune has superior LS, its not like Iaian's gonna just let him take the sword... but fortunately for our blonde knight, the ability of his shield to attract or repel objects with gravity dust means that he could use the shield to just pull the Katana from Iaian's hands, ultimately handicapping Iaian and allowing Jaune to go on the offensive, since unlike Jaune, Iaian does not have Aura to protect himself and would thus be more open to a fatal blow.
It should be noted that even with Anayltical Predictions, Iaian would probably not be able to identify that Jaune could pull items with his shield, at least the first time around, since such an ability would probably be out of place for a supposed swordsman and would also not be identifiable as an attack, thus proving that such a scenario is possible.
Now to be fair, this does sound like a very specific encounter may not happen if this fight were to go 100 times over, but the point I'm trying to make here is that Jaune does have the tools to win and that he is more likely to get the win more times than not. Between his superior defenses thanks to Aura and being able to match Iaian's strength thanks to Aura Amplification, plus Jaune's own leadership/weakpoint identifying skills, Jaune should be able to win the war of attrition long enough to overcome Iaian's superior skills before his own options run out. By no means whatsoever its a stomp since Iaian could easily do stuff like disarm Jaune of his weapon or the like, but out of 100 times, I would say Jaune takes its 60 to 70% of the time.
Compared to European swords, katanas tend to be shorter but with heavier blades for any given length. Average broadsword has 75 cm blade and weights 1 - 1,5 kg, compared to katana which has 60 cm blade and weights 0,9 - 1,4 kg. So while normally a two-handed sword would have reach advantage to compensate for the lack of a shield, here even this isn't true. So a guy with a sword and a shield would have a massive advantage.I've actually heard Broadswords in general are better in combat IIRC. Though from what I've also heard, Katana's are easier to use due to being smaller.
Azontr had a moment of all time therehow in god's name did you divide 100,000 by 3 and get 20,000
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Good song21st Century Schizoid Man
Well after reading through wiki drama I don't care about and irrelevant katana vs broadsword discussion, I'm just going to expand on Iaian's main wincons here his ability to sense killing intent and his skill.Ok I just got back from work and HOLY HELL this thread has gotten heated and possibly off topic, but I'm here to give my vote, and I think despite all the factors here, Jaune wins this by an edge.
See, despite Iaians superior skill and greater AP, Jaune's Aura and his great Aura reserves means that the Katana wielder can't immediately end the fight in a few strikes, and although I don't believe Weekly's statement that Jaune's Aura Amp puts him at low-7B, I do believe that at minimum it could grant Jaune an AP/durability increase comparable to Iaian. I mean, even if the Amp was only a two fold increase in power, that would still place Jaune at a comparable AP to Iaian, so I believe that AP isnt the biggest factor in this matchup.
Still, though, even if the AP was similar here, Iaian does have the edge in skill, and his Analytical Predictions and Extrasensory perceptions means he would be definetely dominating in fight with Jaune if swordsmanship was the only factor here. However, upon further analysis (which to be fair I had forgotten to mention in my original post), Jaune has something that ultimately gives him the victory here: his leadership skills.
See, despite being less skilled than even the rest of the RWBY cast, Jaune is a talented leader, being able to notice weakspots in enemies and being able to coordinate himself and his teammates to take down superior foes, which can be seen as early as season one when team JNPR fought the Scorpion Grimm, despite having next to no skill at that point and only just recently discovering his Aura. With this is mind, while Jaune may not matchup to Iaian's skill, his ability to deduce weaknesses could allow him to determine a way to defeat the Katana man with what resources he has available. So naturally for Jaune, this would likely involve finding a way to deprive him of either his focus or his weapon.
Of course, even though Jaune has superior LS, its not like Iaian's gonna just let him take the sword... but fortunately for our blonde knight, the ability of his shield to attract or repel objects with gravity dust means that he could use the shield to just pull the Katana from Iaian's hands, ultimately handicapping Iaian and allowing Jaune to go on the offensive, since unlike Jaune, Iaian does not have Aura to protect himself and would thus be more open to a fatal blow.
It should be noted that even with Anayltical Predictions, Iaian would probably not be able to identify that Jaune could pull items with his shield, at least the first time around, since such an ability would probably be out of place for a supposed swordsman and would also not be identifiable as an attack, thus proving that such a scenario is possible.
Iaian literally does the same, he pretty much takes on a leader role when fighting with his fellow disciples and is the one giving directions to determine the best course of action:Still, though, even if the AP was similar here, Iaian does have the edge in skill, and his Analytical Predictions and Extrasensory perceptions means he would be definetely dominating in fight with Jaune if swordsmanship was the only factor here. However, upon further analysis (which to be fair I had forgotten to mention in my original post), Jaune has something that ultimately gives him the victory here: his leadership skills.
See, despite being less skilled than even the rest of the RWBY cast, Jaune is a talented leader, being able to notice weakspots in enemies and being able to coordinate himself and his teammates to take down superior foes, which can be seen as early as season one when team JNPR fought the Scorpion Grimm, despite having next to no skill at that point and only just recently discovering his Aura. With this is mind, while Jaune may not matchup to Iaian's skill, his ability to deduce weaknesses could allow him to determine a way to defeat the Katana man with what resources he has available. So naturally for Jaune, this would likely involve finding a way to deprive him of either his focus or his weapon.
I mean he has the AP advantage and his stamina is insane so he eventually will destroy it anyway...Destroying Jaune's weapon wouldnt work, its coated in his Aura, hed have to break his aura first before he can damage crocea mors
Melzargard would literally stomp most if not all RWBY characters on his tierThen you havent watched a single second of the series
Iaian got his arm cut off by a random space alien, so skilled
Insane to what degree? Jaune in this key can fight nonstop for a full day without resting and his aura reserves are higher than almost anyone in the series on top of him.being able to actively heal his own aura with a thoughtI mean he has the AP advantage and his stamina is insane so he eventually will destroy it anyway...
from what i can tellPersonally I think I’m gonna vote Jaune here as well.
From what I understand the AP difference is only that of 2x taking Jaune’s high scaling chain into account, add in the fact that Jaune has a protective aura, armor, and a shield on top of that and I think the difference is pretty minimal in terms of doing damage to Jaune. Jaune can also amp himself as well, mitigating the difference even further.
this iaian actually has 2 armsJaune’s also a pretty skilled fighter in his own right, really developing from his beacon days and Iian being down one arm only hinders him in the battle.
the scan on iaian's page explicitly says they predict the strands, it's not just from being able to fight with your eyes closedAlso I'm curious now, can I see where it was accepted that fighting with your vision obscured by sensing your surroundings is considered AP? Because a lot of RWBY characters would have that by virtue of Adam, Fox, and Maria existing...
It absolutely does increase his AP since Aura can be used to amplify strikes, and by Amping Weiss, the latter was able to spear Hazel with a Summon, despite Hazel still having Aura and being Low 7B. Of course, im lowballing it here to only be 2x increase, but ~60AP vs 69AP isnt exactly the biggest difference here, and the multiplier is likely even greater.1. a x2 amp is still weaker than Ian regardless, and that's not even considering Ian's colossal advantage in skill and experience, and it also doesn't enhance Jaune's AP so he's gonna have a hard time cutting through Ian's armor regardless
The killing intent is minor since its only stated to work on normal monsters, likely being basic fodder monsters such as Wolf or Tiger class demons which can be handled by C and B class heroes respectively. Jaune isn't exactly on the level of basic fodder enemies here2. Ian can do the exact same thing but better. Jaune being able to deduce Ian's weaknesses only works when he can actually do something to exploit it, which he can't. Deducing the weaknesses of large animals pales in comparison to fighting a trained swordsman with decades of exp who can just paralyze you instantly with killing intent
Fair enough with the Gravity Shield, but the hypothetical scenario i made up was mainly to point out that between his aura and his leadership skills, Jaune could come up with a way to defeat the swordsman long enough to defeat him. The scenario isnt mean to be taken at face value here, but its no suprise you did considering this next part...3. Jaune doesn't have gravity shield in this Key, that's Atlas Jaune. This is Post Haven Jaune, who's shield is just a chunk of metal that can make his sword more deadly when sheathed
4. Read point 3
I'm sorry but **** no... Jaune isn't some dude with a sword and shield and Aura isn't just a forcefield that fuels a superpower, it has a lot of capabilities beyond those two factors. If anything, Iaian's just the normal, if highly skilled, knight who hasn't exactly fought against warriors with naturally generating forcefields and super powers before. Iaian might be skilled, but between his Aura and stamina Jaune just wins the war of attrition.There's really nothing Jaune in this key can do against Ian to catch him off guard due to Ian's anal predict plus general superior experience and intelligence. Unlike most of the cast, Jaune's aura doesn't help him fight at all besides enhance his stamina, something Ian also has plenty of. At the end of the day Jaune's just a dude with a sword and shield, which isn't anything Ian hasn't seen before. If Jaune sheathes Crocea Mors into its double handed sword variant, he's even more screwed cuz he loses a lot of defense for slower offense that Ian can counter really easily.
While your not exacty wrong regarding Iaian's abilities, stating that Jaune can't even hit him is a bit capricious. As both characters fight in melee and speed is equalized here, its quite likely that Jaune will be able to hit Iaian quite a few times, since even with the ability to predict attacks and move your body instinctively, it doesn't mean Iaian will block or dodge every sword strike. Sure, Jaune will likely hit Iaian less than Iaian will hit Jaune, but between his shield and his Aura, Iaian will have a much tougher time getting through Jaune's defensive options before Iaian suffers from any hits he could take. Also Jaune wears armour as well, so even if we do factor in armour here its not like either character is lacking in this regard. Also Jaune can amp his AP, so he could probably match Iaian's durability.As explained on his profile Iaian's abilty to sense killing intent allows him to dodge attacks in advance or predict and block them even if he doesn't have sight of his opponent this extends to his skill as even by limiting himself to only relying on this ability and reflex (and a missing limb)
Now in this fight Iaian doesn't have to limit himself like that so to be blunt, Jaune shouldn't even be able to land a blow on him or barely at all, and it wouldn't matter much since Iaian still has the durability advantage and armor.
Iaian's definetely superior in skill, but Jaune is superior in defence, the fight can't just be decided in a few strikes. Also Jaune can AMP his AP to match Iaian's, which can be done by either simply channeling his Aura or using his Aura Amp Semblance.That isn't a minor skill advantage, it's a considerable one and in a fight where both swordsmen are relatively even in AP (with Iaian having the advantage in this regard) it's absolutely what makes the difference.
Fair enough, but the leadership aspect isnt exactly what I was focusing on, its more to do with Jaune's ability to identify enemy weakpoints and use what resources has to win a battle.Iaian literally does the same, he pretty much takes on a leader role when fighting with his fellow disciples and is the one giving directions to determine the best course of action:
Fair enough, that could be a possible wincon, but I do think Aura help's to protect the weapon as Weekly mentioned (since weapons can channel Aura as well). Also Jaune can still amplify his AP so he could probably match or surpass Iaian's strenght.Hell given his AP advantage he might decide it's convenient to destroy his weapon like against the Narinki Mercs rather early into the fight...
1. Weiss's summons are stronger than she is normally. No other character in RWBY has use aura alone to increase their attack potency without help from their semblance.It absolutely does increase his AP since Aura can be used to amplify strikes, and by Amping Weiss, the latter was able to spear Hazel with a Summon, despite Hazel still having Aura and being Low 7B. Of course, im lowballing it here to only be 2x increase, but ~60AP vs 69AP isnt exactly the biggest difference here, and the multiplier is likely even greater.
The killing intent is minor since its only stated to work on normal monsters, likely being basic fodder monsters such as Wolf or Tiger class demons which can be handled by C and B class heroes respectively. Jaune isn't exactly on the level of basic fodder enemies here
Fair enough with the Gravity Shield, but the hypothetical scenario i made up was mainly to point out that between his aura and his leadership skills, Jaune could come up with a way to defeat the swordsman long enough to defeat him. The scenario isnt mean to be taken at face value here, but its no suprise you did considering this next part...
I'm sorry but **** no... Jaune isn't some dude with a sword and shield and Aura isn't just a forcefield that fuels a superpower, it has a lot of capabilities beyond those two factors. If anything, Iaian's just the normal, if highly skilled, knight who hasn't exactly fought against warriors with naturally generating forcefields and super powers before. Iaian might be skilled, but between his Aura and stamina Jaune just wins the war of attrition.
While your not exacty wrong regarding Iaian's abilities, stating that Jaune can't even hit him is a bit capricious. As both characters fight in melee and speed is equalized here, its quite likely that Jaune will be able to hit Iaian quite a few times, since even with the ability to predict attacks and move your body instinctively, it doesn't mean Iaian will block or dodge every sword strike. Sure, Jaune will likely hit Iaian less than Iaian will hit Jaune, but between his shield and his Aura, Iaian will have a much tougher time getting through Jaune's defensive options before Iaian suffers from any hits he could take. Also Jaune wears armour as well, so even if we do factor in armour here its not like either character is lacking in this regard. Also Jaune can amp his AP, so he could probably match Iaian's durability.
Iaian's definetely superior in skill, but Jaune is superior in defence, the fight can't just be decided in a few strikes. Also Jaune can AMP his AP to match Iaian's, which can be done by either simply channeling his Aura or using his Aura Amp Semblance.
Fair enough, but the leadership aspect isnt exactly what I was focusing on, its more to do with Jaune's ability to identify enemy weakpoints and use what resources has to win a battle.
Fair enough, that could be a possible wincon, but I do think Aura help's to protect the weapon as Weekly mentioned (since weapons can channel Aura as well). Also Jaune can still amplify his AP so he could probably match or surpass Iaian's strenght.
Yeah, after like few dozen attacks and the AP gap isn't that big, Jaune has became skilled enough to actually keep up with his friends after over a year of training since BoS, so he can definitely hold his own and can amp his own aura if he is lowI mean he has the AP advantage and his stamina is insane so he eventually will destroy it anyway...