Odin Upgrade

[Hykuu]

[http://- Saving the World Tree was stated to be: "We didn't save one World, but ALL Worlds, we didn't save ONE Reality, but ALL Realities."

- "The Roots of the World Tree, Yggdrasil! Aye, it's roots and branches connect ALL THE WORLDS, it Binds the COSMOS as it grows."]

[http://- "I launched my most recent attack on Yggdrasil, The World Ash: The Tree of Life has THREE main roots, but it exists across EVERY PLANE OF REALITY." ]

- "The Asgardian World Tree is Kind of a Map, Okay? The Nine Worlds you recognize as being a part of Yggdrasil are just the tip of a--- Maybe INFINITE Iceberg. What you know as worlds are UNIVERSES; Fully Formed, Complex." ]

- The World Tree sustains Otherworld, which was agreed in the Captain Britian thread to be 2-A

- "All of Time and Space laid out before me, The Whole of the World Tree and it's Branches, Infinite in it's complexities"

- Loki saw Infinite Asgards when he saw the full Totality of Yggdrasil, which makes it explicitly a multiversal+ Structure regardless.

The Death of the World Tree was also likened to the death of the Omniverse in Loki:Agent of Asgard Issue 12, but I am too lazy to quote the scans since I hope this thread didn't take me like 2 hours for nothing. Anyways, there are probably some feats or descriptions of Yggdrasil I forgot to include, so if that's fine.

I just copy pasted from the OP

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

I am not sure of the context behind most of the scans but the last scan is not true. In Issue 2, Balder after returning from the dead says he saw a glimpse of all of multiverse. He was talking about Marvel Multiverse as a whole. The whole justification for 2C alone is iffy. The scan of Dr Solvang is confusing. In the whole arc, The Realms were treated as more of separate dimensions rather than Universes. I mean when he tells Tony about his theory of Universal damage Tony asks Thor of planetary evacuation. I mean it could be universe sized but it still false under Time Space continuum of Marvel Universe. At best the feats are 3A. Even the History of Marvels, says nine realms are dimensions in the main Universe.

 

[Hykuu]

1. And all of them would still be encompassed within yggdrasil

2. He would ask for plantery evacuation since the populated Asgard =/= Asgard Space, there are 2 different things, HotMU is just contradicted then lol, Even Ewing established them as universes, and likened Yggdrasil to the omniverse.

 

[Antvasima]

What do the staff and other knowledgeable members here think about the last list of scans?

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

1. May be a bit of overexageration. Thor has no way of knowing that he whole 2-A reality was saved. Maybe just even referring to the Nine Realms

2. See above. Referring to the Nine Realms

3. Again likely just referring to the Nine Realms. Transdimensional integrity does sound interesting though

4. Even that sounds like it's just referring to said Realms of Nine. Not familiar with that line of comics though, maybe there is some context that's missing

5. That scan... doesn't say that

6. All of time and space could simply be on a universal scale. Infinite does not mean infinite universes

7. This scan does not prove that there is not simply infinite Yggdrasils for all these (seemingly) infinite Lokis. Not once in that scan does it say that we are looking at the "full totality of Yggdrasil" as you said.

Still not conviced

 

[The_Impress]

In retrospect I may have been a little hasty in judging the Yggdrasil scans:

• All realities doesn't imply the multiverse, it is up for interpretation and may imply just the realms of Asgards, while the worlds statement referring to planets. We just saw in the "Odin talks about the tree" scan, that what Yggdrasil actually encompasses is inconsistent at least, and given the safer alternative til proven otherwise, 2-C Yggdrasil is more consistent

• Binding all worlds may follow same suit as the above statement.

• Implying every plane of reality is doubtful as it may very well just imply every part of the Marvel Universe itself

• I find the interpretation by the spectacled guy as doubtful to believe. Even then, in the given scan it may be that only 9 universes are a part of Yggdrasil, a 2-C feat

• Why was the Otherworld feat considered 2-C in the Captain Britain thread?

• That means basically nothing.

• This is the only 2-A feat out of all of them IMO. Even then, it is a doubtful one to say the least.

Also, even if we do agree upon 2-A Yggdrasil, given how superior it is to Odin in authority, and that any threat to it is an eventual threat rather than an instant one, I don't really believe Odin should scale

 

[Deleted member 2530]

@zark the last one is not 2A at all. This is the context here:

 

[Hykuu]

k close this thread because even I make a rebuttal it won't get anywhere (Not trying to claim bias or anything, it's just clear)

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Also, the scan were Dr Solvang says nine realms are tip of an infinite inceberg he had thought that nine realms are separate from MU 616 and they are separate universes in the Marvel Multiverse.

 

[Hykuu]

Literally not even what the scan says but k

 

[Hykuu]

k close this thread because even I make a rebuttal it won't get anywhere (Not trying to claim bias or anything, it's just clear)

As I said, just follow this, I cbf making a rebuttal to anything here, if anyone wants to talk about this in discord that's fine

 

[The_Impress]

Please don't go around removing threads on your own, we can close it by ourselves