Novel Kars vs. SCP-682 (Concluded)

[Agnaa]

More examples of 682 coming back from BFR:

It was chopped into 256 different pieces and BFR'd to 256 different universes. 2 hours and 15 minutes later it was back, and seemingly had gone home and had a party in the meantime.

Sure it had a few trillion hydrogen bombs to become planetary, but 682 would also have 24 hours to eat its way out of Dune and has absorbed sand at base form. Do you think it wouldn't adapt to be larger when crushed under a planet's worth of gravity? Do you think it wouldn't be able to adapt to consume more sand over 24 hours?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Dropped

I'll take that as a ya conceeding.

If it makes you feel better, take it as whatever you want.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yes, but escaping from 2 layers of universal bfr should take as long as escaping from 1 layer of universal bfr twice. Actually, potentially shorter since 682 seems to adapt more extremely the more extreme the threat its facing.

@Monarch & JMan Both of you please drop that petty argument. You've both said borderline insulting things already, no need to derail this thread further.

That was funny though.

Kars has an hour to set up layers. And considering his speed. And bfr isn't exactly a threat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

682 has adapted when there have been no threats whatsoever before, what dont you understand about that?

And yeah, being thrown into alternate universes qualifies as a threat to 682

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

(speaking of which the downgrade was applied despite the cube house still being contested).

...because you said you were doing a thread later anyway.

 

[Agnaa]

Well it seems to be interpreted as one, at least in how its adaptation get larger with the more threatening the BFR is. Taking 2 hours to come back from an alternate universe, but only taking years to escape from 6-digit-dimensional BFR (if it was still escaping at the same rate, ignoring how difficult the ravelwoods is to escape and just treating it as a 164884-D construct, it would have taken 38 times as long for 682 to return.).

What's the highest number of layers Kars has set up for BFRing something? Why should we assume he can set up more layers than that?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I'll take that as a ya conceeding.
If it makes you feel better, take it as whatever you want.

I mean I implore ya to find an example of me insulting a user on par with your past actions.

Anyway agna. Multiple hours for one universal bfr. Which true. But this isnt merely a random bfr. Its a random bfr within a random bfr multiplied by how many kars can do in an hour. Than another hour because he can spam time stop.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

...because you said you were doing a thread later anyway.

Mate yet there i was on that thread debating that. And that was primarily on the topic of mih.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Throwing 682 through multiple layers of BFr will just make 682 adapt faster ald likely adapt to outright resist BFR entirely as 682 has shown the ability to resist BFR before as shown with the experiment with 2521

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

2-B bfr. He can just stack infinitely. Ie no end.

Stop the wank to Novel Kars. The absolute highest it was done in the novels was around 20 if I recall correctly, and it required an ungodly amount of prep-time from DIO.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

^^^^^^^^^

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Why do we assume? Because funny himself could. Its a matter of brfing within the layer. It creates a new layer. Funny couldnt do any more because kars would have gutted him if he tried any more.

 

[Agnaa]

Throwing 682 through multiple layers of BFr will just make 682 adapt faster ald likely adapt to outright resist BFR entirely as 682 has shown the ability to resist BFR before as shown with the experiment with 2521

There's also potentially whatever the **** happened with 2719. I can't tell whether that's resistance to BFR or conceptual manipulation

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Stop the wank to Novel Kars. The absolute highest it was done in the novels was around 20 if I recall correctly, and it required an ungodly amount of prep-time from DIO.

It required prep for dio because he had to gather a shit ton of funnys and the funniest to do it for him. Also it required like maybe a few hours. The actional act if stacking took what? A few seconds?

Unless you're claiming kars suddenly at 20 wont be able to use d4c anymore.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Plus, that isn't even Kars' first move. His first move is Whitesnake, if we ignore the whole "want to die" and "test if oponent can kill me".

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There's also potentially whatever the **** happened with 2719. I can't tell whether that's resistance to BFR or conceptual manipulation

Concpetual Manipulation

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

No time stop is generally his lead. From.that point on he can figure out what can and cant work.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

>Time stop generally his lead

>Only used two times, and one of them at the literal end of the novel (and wasn't even his plan, was Joji's), the other to dodge, proceeding to engage DIO's The World with what stand? Whitesnake.

 

[Agnaa]

Lephyr, got any comment on the stack of 20 only requiring hours of prep because of needing to gather funny and the funniest? And the claim that the actual act of stacking only took a few seconds?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Which is pretty good all things considered. He has a literal hundred percent use of that as a lead after he got it.

Also jojis plan? Unless ta mean to insinuate that the actual part of his plan involve time stop (it didnt) then yeah.

Also not once did i claim he ysed za warudo to fight. Only time stop. He fights physically himself. Or whitesnake as ta claimed.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This fight is Kars fighting Kars on steroids. He won't beat 682.

That said... 682 doesn't necessarily beat Kars. At least, I ain't convinced (yet). That said, I'm only here to stop Kars wank. Will remain neutral.

 

[Agnaa]

@Lephyr Is Kars being able to set up 20 layers of BFR in a few seconds, and then continuing to make more layers after that, wank or credible?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Lephyr, got any comment on the stack of 20 only requiring hours of prep because of needing to gather funny and the funniest? And the claim that the actual act of stacking only took a few seconds?

That is true. Kars could just copy his version of Whitesnake and give it to other Kars. Heck, he has 36 other Kars' within himself. The key word is could.

Edit: Although, "hours of prep" isn't 100% true. DIO spend a 100 years with the ability to see the future on any member of the Joestar family (and his own). After waking from the coffin, he seeked out Kars and killed him, gaining the ability to see his future as well, with perfect accuracy. The only reason they defeated him in the novel is thanks to Joji, because he is a "singularity" (there is only one of him in all the multiverse), and "adopted", (Yes, the novel doesn't even take itself seriously) so DIO couldn't see his future.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Time stop>use d4c>bfr scp>bfr him again within the bfrd universe>continue.

Not that hard.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Time stop>use d4c>bfr scp>bfr him again within the bfrd universe>continue.
Not that hard.

You forgot the next part:

682 adapts>682 returns to the prime universe>682 is now heavily resistant to being BFRed

 

[Agnaa]

Does Kars need to be "in" the bfr'd universe to start the bfr'ing process again, or can he do it all from the original universe?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Oh yeah definitely.

The problem is how fast. And consindering almost all of his adaption feats have no quantifiable time limit.

And his bfr return feats take hours from one layer. And nothing suggest multiple layers would make a difference on how fast he comes back.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Most of his adaptation feats happen in seconds

Senging 682 through multiple layers of BFR would just make it adapt faster as it is consistently shown and canonically stated that the more 682 is threatened with the same thing the faster it adapts

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Meant copy D4C, not Whitesnake.

He can do it from the original, Agnaa. No need to be in the others, though he could even go in there and repeat the process. Once again, could. He just doesn't fight that way.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Mate. Ya do realize dio seeing the future isnt prep. The act of him getting all of his long thought plan together was fast .

Assuming he or at least a duplicate would have to be within the new universe bfrd.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Exactly. And kars bfring and doing non lethal actions arent exactly a threat.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

>100 years watching the future and preparing to any eventuality

>Nah, that isn't prep.

J-man, go take a long nap, because I will interpret this as you being quite tired.

 

[Agnaa]

Oh yeah definitely.

The problem is how fast. And consindering almost all of his adaption feats have no quantifiable time limit.

And his bfr return feats take hours from one layer. And nothing suggest multiple layers would make a difference on how fast he comes back.

I already explained above how multiple layers made a difference on how fast he came back.

If we treated each dimension in the ravelwoods as a layer and assumed that the ravelwoods had no other properties than being 164884-dimensional, 682 returned around 12x faster than expected if multiple layers made no difference.

Again, this is ignoring the plethora of insane properties of the ravelwoods that make it even harder to escape from.

On top of this, 682 returned from BFR to 256 different universes more quickly than it returned from being BFR'd to one universe.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Exactly. And kars bfring and doing non lethal actions arent exactly a threat.

it doesnt have to be a lethal action for 682 to be able to adapt

At this point youre just flat out not listening

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

it doesnt have to be a lethal action for 682 to be able to adapt

At this point youre just flat out not listening

Ya said threat. Im assuming bfr would be generally the same. He would adapt but bfr not exactly a threat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It doesnt need to be a threat for 682 to adapt to it, 682 has literally adaptecd to being tickled

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I mean ya gotta be fair. Thats worse than being wounded.

Also the bfrd universe arent even hostile. Or would be deemed a threat or inconvenience.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Lephyr Is Kars being able to set up 20 layers of BFR in a few seconds, and then continuing to make more layers after that, wank or credible?

Forgot about this. Credible, he just won't. At least, not until realizing is futile.

Kars is quite an ironic character; has basically the powers of Composite Organism, prefers going cqc (at least, in the novel, if encountering something that can kill him).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

None of the universes 682 were BFRed to were hostile either yet 682 was able to come back

682 does not need to be threatened in order to adapt, even its article says its in a state of constant adaptation. And being throwing into another universe would be considered a threat to 682 regardless of whether ot not the universe it was thrown into was hostile as 682 physically cannot remain in another universe besides its prime universe

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

To be fair novel kars a pacifist almost. He wasnt put in a scenario where he wanted or needed to murder. He even held back on the funny only flinging him away .(His duplicate on the other hand not quite).

And he can dio because dio baited him. Which he felt was fair enough and decided to play along. Dio had no way of permanently harming kars. And kars was aware of that dio was the one who mused undying and unkillabe are different.