Nonduality or Transduality for The Primordial - God of war

[Lilixa]

In my mind, before establish non dual, we need to establish dual system.

We know dual system consist of 2 thing. For example in greek GoW light and darkness. There are indication in greek GoW that light and darkness hates each other. For example

• helios banishing nyx.
• kratos use power of light/sun to exorcise demon came/made from darkness.
• Flying Horse which beings made from light are not welcome in underworld (due to absence of light (?)), so they simply disappeared (GoW chains of olympus)

 

[Fixxed]

Actually, this is both A and not A. It does a few truth cases like A and B, but whatever...

Bruh... the B is "not A" in here. Yeah thats what i mean

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Going to remain neutral; Duality stuff I'm no expert in and more or less in the same boat as KLOL here.

 

[KLOL506]

I have nothing to contribute here ATM, this entire thread and its chaos is making me question my own knowledge in VSB terminology RN.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

I once again reiterate, read the new page. The standards on Transduality aren't the same as before.

Also, predating dualities by that very definition would mean they don't bind you, since you exist independently of them.

Exactly this. It's really not that hard to understand

 

[Robo432343]

Exactly this. It's really not that hard to understand

using this logic characters that are depicted as god would get nonduality coz most of the time they are depicted as predating the dualities of their verse...

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

using this logic characters that are depicted as god would get nonduality coz most of the time they are depicted as predating the dualities of their verse...

Exactly. Nonduality means you're independent of that system. If you existed before that system even existed, that's existing independently.

 

[BUNZG]

Looks good I agree. Merging the realms of dreams/imagination and reality/light/darkness into a single indivisible reality implies he transcends the dualities between those concepts. And in turn grant immunity to effects bound by those dual logical systems. And possibly transduality for the primordials since they predated Morpheus who in turn predated the system of duality itself.

 

[Gasper]

Exactly. Nonduality means you're independent of that system. If you existed before that system even existed, that's existing independently.

Spectacular logic there. Guess every character that predates a duality (any two opposing concepts) are Non dual. Wow, just wow.

 

[Lilixa]

hmmm not related here but there are 2 question :

1. Does non duality affect power/hax scaling ? (because goW has very very very massive scaling chain)

2. before non dual, need to establish dual system (ex: light and darkness), my question is does light and darkness need to be CM type 3, 2, or 1 ??

 

[Robo432343]

hmmm not related here but there are 2 question :

1. Does non duality affect power/hax scaling ? (because goW has very very very massive scaling chain)

2. before non dual, need to establish dual system (ex: light and darkness), my question is does light and darkness need to be CM type 3, 2, or 1 ??

if its not related then don't say anything

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Spectacular logic there. Guess every character that predates a duality (any two opposing concepts) are Non dual. Wow, just wow.

well yea,based on the current standards, at least. predating a duality means you exist independently of it, and do not require it to sustain your existence., its not that hard to understand

 

[Gasper]

hmmm not related here but there are 2 question :

1. Does non duality affect power/hax scaling ? (because goW has very very very massive scaling chain)

Non-dualism is a state of being, meaning, you can't get it for fighting another character that does.

2. before non dual, need to establish dual system (ex: light and darkness), my question is does light and darkness need to be CM type 3, 2, or 1 ??

You don't need to establish (unless there are some stupid standards that i'm not aware of) what specific dualities there are. But yes it needs to be MC type 1.

 

[Gasper]

well yea,based on the current standards, at least. predating a duality means you exist independently of it, and do not require it to sustain your existence., its not that hard to understand

Please show me where that's ever stated, because i'm sure as hell it isn't in Non-dualism page.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Please show me where that's ever stated, because i'm sure as hell it isn't in Non-dualism page.

Nonduality is the state of being wherein an entity exists independently of,

 

[Gasper]

Nonduality is the state of being wherein an entity exists independently of,

Ok? I think you misunderstood what that means. Independently as in, not being bound by it, not that you exist before it.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Ok? I think you misunderstood what that means. Independently as in, not being bound by it, not that you exist before it.

how would you be bound by something that did not even exist? unless theres a statement in the work that proves otherwise, thats the automatic assuption

 

[Gasper]

how would you be bound by something that did not even exist? unless theres a statement in the work that proves otherwise, thats the automatic assuption

You know what's also automatic assumption? Just blindly saying "this character isn't bound by this and this because you can't disprove it".

 

[SYPHe5D]

well yea,based on the current standards, at least. predating a duality means you exist independently of it, and do not require it to sustain your existence., its not that hard to understand

A question can non duality be assigned to a let’s say a dimension who had fulfilled those standards ?

 

[KLOL506]

You don't need to establish (unless there are some stupid standards that i'm not aware of) what specific dualities there are. But yes it needs to be MC type 1.

@Planck69 @BasedNecoScaler69 Does this need to be CM Type 1 to qualify for Nonduality/Transduality/whatever it may be?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

A question can non duality be assigned to a let’s say a dimension who had fulfilled those standards ?

Not really, unless there's an opposing concept.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

@Planck69 @BasedNecoScaler69 Does this need to be CM Type 1 to qualify for Nonduality/Transduality/whatever it may be?

yes, otherwise, everything would be non dual.

 

[Georredannea15]

yes, otherwise, everything would be non dual.

Not exactly, there are also characters who get TD with type 2 concepts. Or a power that is completely spread over the plane of reality (although this is already a concept)

 

[Gasper]

Maybe you're right about that, i could be wrong here.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Not exactly, there are also characters who get TD with type 2 concepts. Or a power that is completely spread over the plane of reality (although this is already a concept)

True. But the concepts in question must be applied in a universal way, excluding the non/transdual beings

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

You know what's also automatic assumption? Just blindly saying "this character isn't bound by this and this because you can't disprove it".

They cannot be bound by something that did not exist in their time, unless it's retroactively applied, which would be stated in the verse/work

 

[Planck69]

@Planck69 @BasedNecoScaler69 Does this need to be CM Type 1 to qualify for Nonduality/Transduality/whatever it may be?

There is no mention of a necessary specific concept type whatsoever as far as I know.

I've said this a million times but can people read the damn page and not make random assertions. I can tell some of you have issues with it, fine. But this isn't the place to bring that up. That's a revision all on its own.

I don't even care much for this power, it's just very disappointing how people are acting here.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Not exactly, there are also characters who get TD with type 2 concepts. Or a power that is completely spread over the plane of reality (although this is already a concept)

Yeah I was kinda confused since universal concepts should also qualify if you exist independently of them if they are dualities.

 

[SYPHe5D]

There is no mention of a necessary specific concept type whatsoever as far as I know.

I've said this a million times but can people read the damn page and not make random assertions. I can tell some of you have issues with it, fine. But this isn't the place to bring that up. That's a revision all on its own.

I don't even care much for this power, it's just very disappointing how people are acting here.

^this

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

There is no mention of a necessary specific concept type whatsoever as far as I know.

There's no mention, but ND type 2 and 3 talk about nondual systems governing an entire state of reality. Maybe type 1 is more lax since it does not state this, but im not exactly sure tbh.

 

[Deagonx]

My assessment is largely the same as KLOL's. Maintaining a balance between two things isn't really transduality or non-duality, especially given the lack of concrete information about what is literally being referred to when it talks about light and darkness.

 

[Benimōru]

I disagree with Transduality

But Nonduality (Nature Type 1 & Aspect Type 1) seems fair IMO

 

[Georredannea15]

My assessment is largely the same as KLOL's. Maintaining a balance between two things isn't really transduality or non-duality, especially given the lack of concrete information about what is literally being referred to when it talks about light and darkness.

Essentially the case is not Transduality, the only case. The nature of primordials is that they are unaffected by dualities and exist before them. Just non-duality.

 

[Georredannea15]

I disagree with Transduality

But Nonduality (Nature Type 1 & Aspect Type 1) seems fair IMO

Frankly, I think they will be Type 2.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Is chains of olympus site crap even real? I'm 90% sure it's fake and I have never once seen a source for it or proof these scans existed via something like wayback machine.

 

[Planck69]

Is chains of olympus site crap even real? I'm 90% sure it's fake and I have never once seen a source for it or proof these scans existed via something like wayback machine.

It is and we've had this debate for ages now. Course if you think it's fake... frankly that's quite irrelevant.

 

[Gasper]

Is chains of olympus site crap even real? I'm 90% sure it's fake and I have never once seen a source for it or proof these scans existed via something like wayback machine.

It's real.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

It is and we've had this debate for ages now. Course if you think it's fake... frankly that's quite irrelevant.

Can I have any links to said debates

 

[Planck69]

Can I have any links to said debates

You can look for them using the God of War discussion tags.

I'm not obligated to humour every "Well, I think" on the site.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

You can look for them using the God of War discussion tags.

I'm not obligated to humour every "Well, I think" on the site.