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That one even we know is fake. And we don't use it so....??????It appears at least one of them was confirmed to be fake. It's odd that we use this. I just saw this one and it's kind of jarring to me because everything BUT the text looks super grainy and 240p but the central text is crystal clear and sharp. Looks fake.
We can... for the ones we use. That's, that's literally why we don't use all of the "scans" floating around and get idk, 1-B GoW.It's strange that we use any of these if we cannot reliably confirm their authenticity.
The baffling thing is, this is the second time this has happened.peak derailing
I'm talking about the random derailment not how much the verse seems "shaky" to other people. It's God of War, it'll always have that sort of "well askhually.." nonsense. I live with that.I guess it's to be expected when the foundation of a lot of it is going to seem sketchy to other people.
We've veered off of the Morpheus scan since the first page. The member you quoted to agree with, walked back his stance and said we wouldn't need that scan.I wouldn't really call it derailing though given that the OP is based on this very concept. Like, that's pretty central to the discussion at hand.
It's not as though God of War is receiving extra scrutiny that other verses do not.It's God of War, it'll always have that sort of "well askhually.." nonsense. I live with that.
I was asked to the thread, my mentioning of the website scans was in response to something another user said. I think you're being overdramatic.This is the second time you've shown up on a God of War thread with an issue barely related to it, it's frankly quite tiring.
What scan is being used instead?We've veered off of the Morpheus scan since the first page. The member you quoted to agree with, walked back his stance and said we wouldn't need that scan.
I'm referring to contrivance of discussion, not scrutiny. I welcome the latter it makes my indexing solid. I disdain the former, it's a waste of time.It's not as though God of War is received extra scrutiny that other verses do not.
I'm pointing out that it isn't the core of the discussion and hadn't been for a while (and getting into the nitty gritty is best left for another thread). That ain't melodrama but honestly, take it as you will.I was asked to the thread, my mentioning of the website scans was in response to something another user said. I think you're being overdramatic.
That's the thing. The thread's been focused for a while now on whether predating dualities qualifies and at what point is a duality qualifying and self evident. Then we were waiting for staff confirmation on the new standards.What scan is being used instead?
Well sure, but there's also a big difference between "the stars in the sky could be fake" and "these screenshots of a now non-existent, unarchived browser game made as promo material for a 2008 PSP game could be fake, and we in-fact explicitly recognize multiple of them as being faked."There's a difference in making sure statements are backed and having such hard hitting discourse as "the stars in the sky could be fake!".
Based on the discussion we had about this subject with regard to the Overvoid, Type 1 Nonduality can be accomplished by being outside duality/logical systems, but generally we do not think of something like "fire and water" as a duality but rather "fire and not fire." Though it depends on how the verse treats it.The thread's been focused for a while now on whether predating dualities qualifies and at what point is a duality qualifying and self evident.
Quite the framing but eh, sure.Well sure, but there's also a big difference between "the stars in the sky could be fake" and "these screenshots of a now non-existent, unarchived browser game made as promo material for a 2008 PSP game could be fake, and we in-fact explicitly recognize multiple of them as being faked."
The discussionis giving the Primordials generallg Nonduality. No one her is getting Transduality or being argued for that.Based on the discussion we had about this subject with regard to the Overvoid, Type 1 Nonduality can be accomplished by being outside duality/logical systems, but generally we do not think of something like "fire and water" as a duality but rather "fire and not fire." Though it depends on how the verse treats it.
However, if the thread has changed focused, is it still an attempt to give Morpheus non-duality and Primordials transduality? In which case, if the OP scan is not being used, what is the basis for the change now?
My intuition is to think that predating a concept that one governs isn't per se connected to the notion of transduality/nonduality, but Ultima is looking it over. His stance (based purely on the hypothetical I proposed based on what you told me) was that if they birthed a duality then they could be considered non-dual at least for that duality. I explained that we're more talking about them predating the concepts they govern (and, per your assertion, also predate the concepts all the others primordials govern) and he said he'd take a look.The Primordials predate all the aspects of reality their responsible for. So, aside from that whole Morpheus stuff, the discussion was whether existing before and outside of the aspects of reality like space, time, life, death, dreams, reality/"the heavens" (seeing as the mortal universe is treated as an opposite mirror to dreams and imagination), etc. would qualify for it.
My intuition is to think that predating a concept that one governs isn't per se connected to the notion of transduality/nonduality, but Ultima is looking it over. His stance (based purely on the hypothetical I proposed based on what you told me) was that if they birthed a duality then they could be considered non-dual at least for that duality. I explained that we're more talking about them predating the concepts they govern (and, per your assertion, also predate the concepts all the others primordials govern) and he said he'd take a look.
The reason why fire and water are not a duality is because they are not fundamentally opposites, so if I were to give an example of an "opposite," it would be light and darkness.Based on the discussion we had about this subject with regard to the Overvoid, Type 1 Nonduality can be accomplished by being outside duality/logical systems, but generally we do not think of something like "fire and water" as a duality but rather "fire and not fire." Though it depends on how the verse treats it.
However, if the thread has changed focused, is it still an attempt to give Morpheus non-duality and Primordials transduality? In which case, if the OP scan is not being used, what is the basis for the change now?
It's already over. The 6-page thread was finished yesterday.Tbh though I think this thread should be postponed until nonduality standards are more clear.
There was a follow up thread AFAIK https://vsbattles.com/threads/transduality-nonduality-application-staff-only.155165/It's already over. The 6-page thread was finished yesterday.
These were the continuation of the previous topic, that is, when there was only "non-duality", but now it has separate to Transduality and non-duality, there is no problem anymore. All we need are exemplary characters for non-duality. That's the only problem currently.There was a follow up thread AFAIK https://vsbattles.com/threads/transduality-nonduality-application-staff-only.155165/
Looks good I agree. Merging the realms of dreams or imagination and reality, light and darkness into a single indivisible reality implies he transcends the dualities between those concepts.
...Looks good I agree. Merging the realms of dreams or imagination and reality, light and darkness into a single indivisible reality implies he transcends the dualities between those concepts.
Apollo has nothing to do with it here. It's all about Helios. Apollo never gets the spotlight in GoW aside from a few meaningless references.As for the Morpheus scan of him ensuring the balance between "light and darkness" is kept in place and untouched. I'm not that convinced of this "light and darkness" being in reference to concepts rather than the representations of dual adversaries. It seems like that "light" in this situation is Apollo's representation of the sun while "darkness" is referencing Nyx, the goddess of darkness and night unto itself. How I'm interpreting this is that Morpheus, as the incarnate of dreams, keeps these two characters from waring against one another, which would be him ensuring the balance between "light" (Apollo) and "darkness" (Nyx) isn't disrupted either way.
Nope, Helios is the one who shines his light down upon the World, and then Atlas kidnaps his ass, Morpheus comes in and completes his merge.The scan goes on to explain that there are rumors that Morpheus has planned on the overthrowing of the gods and the consumption of the other dimension, he desires to cause the "illuminating light" that exudes across the entire dimension to disappear. I infer from this is that the stated "illuminating light" is another way to explain Apollo as he's the representation of the sun who controls the light of Helios, which exudes across the entire dimension.
Once again, Apollo doesn't exist in GoW. Helios is the sole residing Sun God in GoW until Kratos kills him and uses his head for a flashlight.So all in all, I can possibly agree with the former being Nonduality depending on the context while I disagree with the latter being Nonduality until further expansion about Apollo and Nyx's representations are provided.
Okay...?Apollo has nothing to do with it here. It's all about Helios. Apollo never gets the spotlight in GoW aside from a few meaningless references.
Helios is explicitly the one who banishes Nyx from the Night Sky as what is stated in Ascension. He's the true Sun God in Greece.
Nope, Helios is the one who shines his light down upon the World, and then Atlas kidnaps his ass, Morpheus comes in and completes his merge.
Once again, Apollo doesn't exist in GoW. Helios is the sole residing Sun God in GoW until Kratos kills him and uses his head for a flashlight.
1 more, this is not tier 1 thread. 3 staff is enoughThis thread needs more staff approval to fly, Planck and Elizhaa already agreed with the OP. A few more staff would be enough. But no one comes...
Anyway, I did it to get some movement, already 2 staff have already agreed with type 2 ND1 more, this is not tier 1 thread. 3 staff is enough
This is the actual reason for granting Nonduality from the looks of it.So, after reading the new page (something I recommend the people on this thread actually do);
The Primordials predate and are independent of the aspects of reality that each other govern (which so far includes the Heavens i.e. the mortal universe, dreams, life, death, seas, earth etc.).
So, by wiki definition, they'd have Nonduality Type 1, Aspect 2.
Btw Planck said it would be Type 2. Of course he said this laterThis is the actual reason for granting Nonduality from the looks of it.
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Type 2? Aspect or just the Type?Btw Planck said it would be Type 2. Of course he said this later
im pretty sure it only applies for 48 hours since the creation of the threadAnd now just waiting for 48hours for this being apply
For type, When I talked to him later, he said it was supposed to be like that. Ask him anyway, but i'm sure that type 2 encompasses all dualities in reality, like here.Type 2? Aspect or just the Type?
Wait wait wait, You're going to give them Transduality? Aspect 2 Type 2?For type, When I talked to him later, he said it was supposed to be like that. Ask him anyway, but i'm sure that type 2 encompasses all dualities in reality, like here.
I think its ND type 2Wait wait wait, You're going to give them Transduality? Aspect 2 Type 2?