NNT AP Revision

[ByAsura]

thanks.

 

[Deceived3596]

np

 

[Makai641001]

As in, help you add them to the profiles that're currently on the wiki. I'll also help with the formatting for some of the profiles as well like Demon King, who's AP should be tabber'd similar to someone like Ji Ning.

Deceived being a goat right there

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

 

[Makai641001]

Nice Messi pic

 

[Majinere566]

Anyways what's left to do in this thread?

 

[ByAsura]

Btw, the ones that are formatted like Meliodas, Demon King and Escanor are intended to have tabbers. I just haven't made them yet.

Also, I'm planning to do the changes (including the future threads) all at once, since the multipliers are interconnected.

Anyways what's left to do in this thread?

On Wednesday, I'll finally be able to focus on finishing the Helbram shit and the rest of the sandbox.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out so much, ByAsura.

 

[ByAsura]

He seems to be referring to the light part but Yeah and even if He contributed half of it Chandler gets lots of damage from people far weaker than himself

Didn't see this before.

It's worth noting that the literal translation for the technique name is apparently Sky Light Bow. So it's entirely possible that he's just referring to the combo in general, which makes sense because he just refers to the entire technique before when talking about the fact that he received some physical damage.

 

[Majinere566]

How strong would King be for holding his own against base Chandler?

 

[ByAsura]

Chandler was at less than half power but also amped. Based on that and consistency with scaling (plus the fact that King was getting overwhelmed and Chandler probably used up a lot of magic), Small Country level.

 

[Majinere566]

Makes sense considering Zeldris' statement of both Chandler and Cusack being more than enough to fill in for the remainder of the commandments

 

[ByAsura]

Btw, King can increase his power by coordinating with Drole's dance, and he might have even won against Mael if he didn't use his Commandment.

This does seem to be an individual thing rather than resonance like Garou (like it's simply copying Diane's moves rather than using her to apply the amp), but I'm sceptical as to how I should treat this since it's probably not something he can do without Diane as a reference.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Would it be considered since it could be part of a 2v2 battle since King and Diane have fought together?

 

[ByAsura]

Like I showed, Garou has it on his profile. IIRC, the only types of instances where something like that wouldn't be included is if, for example, two characters chained their abilities together and achieved some sort of exponential effect.

I think the only thing it'd affect is applicability in versus matches.

 

[ByAsura]

I'll just put far higher in conjunction with Drole's Dance.

 

[Makai641001]

Like I showed, Garou has it on his profile. IIRC, the only types of instances where something like that wouldn't be included is if, for example, two characters chained their abilities together and achieved some sort of exponential effect.

I think the only thing it'd affect is applicability in versus matches.

I’m okay With a far higher explaining how it works

 

[ByAsura]

On this note, I'm also thinking we should delete Calmadios. He has 2 actual feats, and 1 really isn't even a feat.

Was able to fight Drole and Gloxinia

Even ignoring the fact that King and Diane in this chapter can't use their powers to the extent that Drole and Gloxinia could (they definitely get more adept later on, though), nothing really speaks to his ability to fend them off.

• He leaves Drole totally undamaged.
• Attempts and completely fails to hit Gloxinia, before getting blasted.
• Gets ****** up by Guardian. It's worth noting that King did imply he wasn't able to get very good hits, but to that I counter with the fact that Calmadios was damaged to the point of dropping his weapons—my guy was sacrificing his body to block Gloxinia.
• Gets restrained by Giga Lock.
• Launches an evil breath that could maybe harm Drole. Before its Full Countered, and he gets hit by Drole and Gloxinia simultaneously. He survives, but with an unknown amount of damage.

It's also worth noting that Diane dramatically boosts her power with Drole's Dance later in this story arc. When she first possessed Drole, they were in a non-combat situation and she doesn't use Drole's Dance throughout or prior to the fight, likely due to the fact that Diane didn't even have his body for very long at that point. So, it's insanely questionable whether or not Diane was at full power.

Was only moderately injured after being hit by Gloxinia's Form One: Basquias

I don't even need to explain this.

and Meliodas felt the need to intervene to protect them from his Evil Breath

Both he and Meliodas were sure he survived being hit by his own Evil Breath, which was amplified and sent back at him with Full Counter, at the same time as he was hit by Drole's Giga Crush and Gloxinia's Form Ten: Emerald Octo

As I showed before, Gloxinia could inflict heavy damage on Calmadios. So, the fact that his own Full Countered attack left him alive is actually a massive anti-feat for our boy.

 

[Majinere566]

Yeah I agree, don't know why we have a profile for a character that only appears in like one chapter

 

[ByAsura]

I think it's just best to leave Gowther's emotion restored key as unknown, especially when it comes to striking strength.

Actually, reading through the manga again, I think I have something.

Fraudrin admits that he's just a stand-in for Doll Gowther (not even Demon Gowther), and says that not killing him is the lesser of two evils since the Commandment would return to Doll Gowther. Also, this confirms that Fraud-boy was holding Selflessness.

For reference, Fraudrin was fully restored even back in this arc (not that it even matters if he was absolutely 100%, because he was possessing Dreyfus for 10 years, and the fight with Hendrickson and Zaratras was only 1 month after this point). He just didn't want to leave Dreyfus' body.

Additionally, Meliodas calls him a third rate substitute, when Doll Gowther was literally crafted by Demon Gowther to fight in his place.

 

[Majinere566]

Where you going with this?

 

[ByAsura]

Doll Gowther > Fraudrin.

 

[Sus]

How do we know meliodas used 2dm against mael?

The mark on the forehead seems identical for assault mode to me

 

[ByAsura]

This is Assault Mode. This or this is 2nd Mark (sometimes even this, despite being Holy War Meliodas). Assault Mode is always—100% of the time, guaranteed—surrounded by darkness clothing even in the past.

Here's Post-Purgatory 2nd Mark, and here's his Assault Mode.

It does alternate between how close to a complete circle the forehead mark is, but that inconsistency is carried through to Assault Mode.

Plus, Zeldris doesn't even have Assault Mode and he uses an identical mark.

 

[Sus]

Thats fine, i suppose

I just find it insanely ridiculous that meliodas and mael being equal refers to the one, in what world are you equal to someone if they one shot you 24/7 except for a single minute a day, which still isn't enough anyway

I'd personally say AM = near noon, or something like that, but i have no evidence so it is what it is

 

[ByAsura]

Absolutely agree (although it's far more likely 2nd Mark = Near-Noon, as I proved here), and so does everyone else except speedster at one point. I even said the same thing.

AM does not scale to Mael currently, he just somewhat scales to Ominous Nebula/The One.

 

[Sus]

Is therr any evidence it was near noon?

Also, in the exact same chapter, mael admits that he hates fighting, so i don't really think making him retreat is a feat

 

[ByAsura]

You mean in that chapter? It's literally never remarked upon that he used The One ever (despite the fact that it's a huge deal in every chapter), they were in the Celestial Realm, and it doesn't make sense because even Ludoshel could have fended off that same form of Meliodas with just Tarmiel and Sariel (who are far inferior to even Vessel Ludoshel).

He retreated after a fight, and their darkness and light powers are shown to be equal.

 

[Majinere566]

I hate to be that guy but I'm gonna bring up the argument speedster constantly tries to argue but it's in a form of a question.

I don't know if I'm misinterpreting but after revisting chapter 320 again and got to the part where he "tests" his power, I feel like we might be using that statement to falsify the context of the fight prior to that imo.

If I'm misunderstanding this then so be it but when he mentions that he was "testing his power" it was right after Meliodas used a Magic attack for the first time since he took over Zeldris' body. Then he makes the statement which leads me to believe that he refers to his magical ability the ruler rather than him being non chalant in his battle with Meliodas which is supported by Elizabeth statement in the same scan saying he absorbed the magic. He even praises Meliodas for his effort.

Another thing judging from his facial expressions during his quick sword fight with Meliodas before the magic attack, he's shown to keep a straight face most of the time, so I'm in doubt that he is casual/nonchalant with Meliodas.

So am i right to assume he's talking about his magical ability only rather than his overall combat ability or wrong?

 

[Sus]

Im not saying mael used the one, im asking if the time was stated
I didn't understand the rest of your post

 

[Majinere566]

Is therr any evidence it was near noon?

Also, in the exact same chapter, mael admits that he hates fighting, so i don't really think making him retreat is a feat

You talking about Mael vs Meliodas?

 

[Sus]

You talking about Mael vs Meliodas?

Yes

 

[ByAsura]

I don't know if I'm misinterpreting but after revisting chapter 320 again and got to the part where he "tests" his power, I feel like we might be using that statement to falsify the context of the fight prior to that imo.

Even if it did, his durability is 6-A anyway.

Also, I'm not using that to falsify the context. It's a singular argument. The main and far stronger argument is honestly just Meliodas not even being able to scratch him with Lostvayne, which is a substantial amp to his combat abilities (upwards of 4-fold in the Ten Commandments Arc), and the Sins around this level getting more consistently stomped by the 50% deities.

If I'm misunderstanding this then so be it but when he mentions that he was "testing his power" it was right after Meliodas used a Magic attack for the first time since he took over Zeldris' body. Then he makes the statement which leads me to believe that he refers to his magical ability the ruler rather than him being non chalant in his battle with Meliodas which is supported by Elizabeth statement in the same scan saying he absorbed the magic.

This doesn't make sense to me. If Demon King is referring to exclusively the Ruler, something that makes even stronger magical attacks irrelevant, why would he specifically point out that someone as powerful as Meliodas provides an excellent opportunity to test it? So, I think it's pretty obvious that he's referring to both.

He even praises Meliodas for his effort.

You can praise someone way weaker than you. He constantly praises even Holy War Meliodas.

Another thing judging from his facial expressions during his quick sword fight with Meliodas before the magic attack, he's shown to keep a straight face most of the time, so I'm in doubt that he is casual/nonchalant with Meliodas.

He's either surprised or somewhat aggravated throughout his fights with the Sins. It's only really after taking attacks that he's nonchalant.

Im not saying mael used the one, im asking if the time was stated

The time wasn't stated.

I didn't understand the rest of your post

The rest of my post is that Near-Noon Mael >> Ludoshel, who could fight and potentially even defeat 2nd Mark alongside 2 far, far inferior characters. There's no way in hell that this is The One.

 

[Sus]

The time wasn't stated.

The rest of my post is that Near-Noon Mael >> Ludoshel, who could fight and potentially even defeat 2nd Mark alongside 2 far, far inferior characters.

Why are we assuming it was near noon, when your argument actually contradicts it
Mael not Fending meliodas off puts him below ludoshel with slight help, which implies it isn't near noon

There's no way in hell that this is The One.

Im not saying mael used the one

 

[ByAsura]

It literally doesn't contradict it at all.

Ludoshel is still inferior to Meliodas alone (to the point of being terrified), and Mael is provably much stronger than Ludoshel Near-Noon for defusing Crisis-amped Original Demon.

My point is that 2nd Mark Meliodas isn't immensely superior to Ludoshel, so Mael would be above him as The One.

I know you're not saying it's The One, I'm explaining why it can't be The One.

 

[Majinere566]

I suppose that's fair. How did you get the 4-fold sacred treasure thing tho?

 

[ByAsura]

Albion = Ash Hendrickson, who's Meliodas level + a Grey Demon that's stronger than Gilthunder with weaponry, who's explicitly comparable to Meliodas.

Albion withstood its Full Counter with moderate damage.

Meliodas easily cut apart Albion with the shockwaves produced by Lostvayne's slashes.

 

[Majinere566]

Is this usable for the scaling chain or no?

 

[Sus]

It literally doesn't contradict it at all.

Ludoshel is still inferior to Meliodas alone (to the point of being terrified), and Mael is provably much stronger than Ludoshel Near-Noon for defusing Crisis-amped Original Demon.

My point is that 2nd Mark Meliodas isn't immensely superior to Ludoshel, so Mael would be above him as The One.

Meliodas being superior to both mael and ludo isn't an indication of what time was it, unless we know for a fact they fought evenly, but we only know that mael retreated
Also even well afternoon, mael was still so much stronger than ludo

also how do you write this fast

 

[Majinere566]

Where is it stated that mael retreated?