NNT AP Revision

[speedster352]

He already scales many times higher than them, and they were greatly weakened.

Yeah I am just saying the night amp should be 2x times amp at least for all demons.

 

[ByAsura]

I am doing great. I thought you said the raws take precedence

There's no need when the raws and english translation are pretty much 1:1, or at least close enough to get the original meaning. By this logic, I should replace every scan on the profile with a raw.

What do you mean?

I mean we need to know the exact type of magic for the amp to apply. But nvm.

Lacelot calls percival an amateur meaning that he knows how to enchant weapons better.

That's a good point.

Tristian should still have 10x amp with destroyer magic aka darkness which he coats on his sword

You're right.

Yeah I am just saying the night amp should be 2x times amp at least for all demons.

You have absolutely no evidence for that, and Chandler blatantly says it's just magic power.

 

[speedster352]

There's no need when the raws and english translation are pretty much 1:1, or at least close enough to get the original meaning. By this logic, I should replace every scan on the profile with a raw.

I mean we need to know the exact type of magic for the amp to apply. But nvm.

That's a good point.

You're right.

You have absolutely no evidence for that, and Chandler blatantly says it's just magic power.

I meant a 2x amp for his magic power since he mentions this after he has been debuffed and weaken by 2x so it should be a 2x amp for magic power for the demon clan or at least part likely higher at night time. Also 4koa Meliodas needs enchantment multiplier.

 

[speedster352]

There's no need when the raws and english translation are pretty much 1:1, or at least close enough to get the original meaning. By this logic, I should replace every scan on the profile with a raw.

I mean we need to know the exact type of magic for the amp to apply. But nvm.

That's a good point.

You're right.

You have absolutely no evidence for that, and Chandler blatantly says it's just magic power.

Also ON should be likely higher since it one shot the hermit of moments which was going to one shot the cast.

 

[speedster352]

Adding traits to a weapon isn't limited to enchanter/destroyer. So was it stated outright that it was something like an enchant?

Zeldris also needs enchantment multiplier same for Ban and maybe Escanor

 

[speedster352]

Adding traits to a weapon isn't limited to enchanter/destroyer. So was it stated outright that it was something like an enchant?

Also naming should be 2nd demon mark since that just looks and sounds better

 

[ByAsura]

I meant a 2x amp for his magic power since he mentions this after he has been debuffed and weaken by 2x so it should be a 2x amp for magic power for the demon clan or at least part likely higher at night time.

No. He's already more than twice as strong as they are at full power during the daytime. So, being at half power at night would still give him the advantage.

Also 4koa Meliodas needs enchantment multiplier.

I'm adding it later.

Also ON should be likely higher since it one shot the hermit of moments which was going to one shot the cast.

No. It's already at least Large Country level. Although I'm realising that I forgot to label it on the profile.

Zeldris also needs enchantment multiplier same for Ban and maybe Escanor

You're right, I forgot to give Zeldris enchantments pre-cbl.

Ban has no evidence of using Enchanter/Destroyer.

Escanor's already stronger than his weapon, which is constantly amped by Sunshine.

Also naming should be 2nd demon mark since that just looks and sounds better

It's unofficial, and not really accurate when you consider all of the mark design changes.

 

[Majinere566]

Question about the sandbox. Since OG Demon is a combination of both Chandler and Cusuack meaning he'd be 82.4 Teratons, Then you added destroyer enchantment. Wouldn't that bring the Og demon to 824 Teratons which is Continental?

 

[speedster352]

No. He's already more than twice as strong as they are at full power during the daytime. So, being at half power at night would still give him the advantage.

I'm adding it later.

No. It's already at least Large Country level. Although I'm realising that I forgot to label it on the profile.

You're right, I forgot to give Zeldris enchantments pre-cbl.

Ban has no evidence of using Enchanter/Destroyer.

Escanor's already stronger than his weapon, which is constantly amped by Sunshine.

It's unofficial, and not really accurate when you consider all of the mark design changes.

Where do you think the night amp should be? Also Mael had weapon in the past. Still it’s just a fan name we have like true magic also it’s called 2nd stage demon mark is the CBL novel

 

[speedster352]

No. He's already more than twice as strong as they are at full power during the daytime. So, being at half power at night would still give him the advantage.

I'm adding it later.

No. It's already at least Large Country level. Although I'm realising that I forgot to label it on the profile.

You're right, I forgot to give Zeldris enchantments pre-cbl.

Ban has no evidence of using Enchanter/Destroyer.

Escanor's already stronger than his weapon, which is constantly amped by Sunshine.

It's unofficial, and not really accurate when you consider all of the mark design changes.

I thought you agreed with am being a 2x multiplier scaling to enchantment Tristian?

 

[ByAsura]

Where do you think the night amp should be?

Higher to an unknown extent.

Still it’s just a fan name we have like true magic

True Magic is based on the fact that it's his true/original magic, just like enlarged demon mark is based on the fact that it's a larger demon mark.

also it’s called 2nd stage demon mark is the CBL novel

Proof or it didn't happen.

I thought you agreed with am being a 2x multiplier scaling to enchantment Tristian?

I agreed with Post-Revival Assault Mode scaling above Tristan. We can't do any more than that due to multiplier rules.

Question about the sandbox. Since OG Demon is a combination of both Chandler and Cusuack meaning he'd be 82.4 Teratons, Then you added destroyer enchantment. Wouldn't that bring the Og demon to 824 Teratons which is Continental?

You're right. I was misremembering the baseline of Continent level, which means a shit ton more characters need to be changed.

 

[Makai641001]

You're right. I was misremembering the baseline of Continent level, which means a shit ton more characters need to be changed.

By(ased) Asura back at his full bias again lowballing continent lvl characters to Large Country lvl

 

[speedster352]

Higher to an unknown extent.

True Magic is based on the fact that it's his true/original magic, just like enlarged demon mark is based on the fact that it's a larger demon mark.

Proof or it didn't happen.

I agreed with Post-Revival Assault Mode scaling above Tristan. We can't do any more than that due to multiplier rules.

You're right. I was misremembering the baseline of Continent level, which means a shit ton more characters need to be changed.

Should it be on the profiles for the night amp. Also it’s literally a second stage or different stage. It just looks and. Sounds better to use second demon mark.

 

[ByAsura]

Yes.

It's just a different, larger mark that enhances power. Again, give proof for that shit or it didn't happen.

 

[speedster352]

Yes.

It's just a different, larger mark that enhances power. Again, give proof for that shit or it didn't happen.

Just call it second demon mark it’s the trad mark name. Why are you being stubborn about this? It’s just the name I thought you had access to CBL novel? How’s life? Did you add the changes we have labelled out? How’s the helbram calc going? Are you lowering it down again like always?

 

[ByAsura]

Why are you being so stubborn about a name that you can't even give evidence for?

No.

No, because I've been doing a lot of stuff.

I'm finishing it later today.

Do me a favour and kindly **** off, thank you. /s

 

[speedster352]

Why are you being so stubborn about a name that you can't even give evidence for?

No.

No, because I've been doing a lot of stuff.

I'm finishing it later today.

Do me a favour and kindly **** off, thank you. /s

How’s life?

 

[ByAsura]

fine. hby?

btw, i was joking when I said that. /s means sarcasm/non-serious.

 

[speedster352]

fine. hby?

btw, i was joking when I said that. /s means sarcasm/non-serious.

I am doing great

 

[speedster352]

fine. hby?

btw, i was joking when I said that. /s means sarcasm/non-serious.

Mael used weapon in the past so he should get enchantment multiplier same for Escanor. Ban can imbue magic into his staff as shown with Hendrickson fight that’s on the ground for Enchantments.

 

[ByAsura]

I already explained Escanor.

Mael using a weapon as a kid is meaningless.

Where exactly? And it doesn't matter unless whatever magic he used is confirmed.

 

[speedster352]

I already explained Escanor.

Mael using a weapon as a kid is meaningless.

Where exactly? And it doesn't matter unless whatever magic he used is confirmed.

I meant when he killed the group demons when gowther showed him his memories. It’s his snatch magic the last attack ban does against Meliodas also did you see the enchantment list Majin made?
Withstands a barrage of attacks setting up his Revenge Counter

 

[ByAsura]

Yes. That's him as a kid.

That's not imbuing his weapon with magic. That's his weaponry blurring from moving at high speed.

 

[speedster352]

That's not imbuing his weapon with magic. That's his weaponry blurring from moving at high speed.

I said the final attack when it turned black. Also five lost was able to also cancel the sixth sense of magic sensing for howzer.

 

[ByAsura]

I know what you're talking about the final attack, but you said nothing about it turning black. And no it didn't. That's called blood.

Why does that matter?

 

[speedster352]

Yes. That's him as a kid.

That's not imbuing his weapon with magic. That's his weaponry blurring from moving at high speed.

When gowther was in his mind he was using a weapon to kill gowther lower when he was older look at when gowther showed him why he became Estarossa.

No it didn't. That's called blood.

Why does that matter?

It looks impressive m. Thoughts?

 

[ByAsura]

That is when he became Estarossa. I read the scans, and he never has a weapon as an adult.

None.

 

[ByAsura]

oh, you mean chapter 282, when he killed those demons. yeah, he has a weapon there

 

[speedster352]

That is when he became Estarossa. I read the scans, and he never has a weapon as an adult.

None.

Here

 

[speedster352]

oh, you mean chapter 282, when he killed those demons. yeah, he has a weapon there

So that would mean the enchantment amp and since sunshine is a natural force(which would mean radiation manipulation) it should be destroyer and 10x amp

 

[speedster352]

That is when he became Estarossa. I read the scans, and he never has a weapon as an adult.

None.

Since your done with the helbram calc can you add it to your sandbox? How long would it take to complete hypothetically?

 

[speedster352]

That is when he became Estarossa. I read the scans, and he never has a weapon as an adult.

None.

Why isn’t Meliodas large country level plus with true magic or assault mode? You saw his feats against PDK. At least put likely high 6b plus and high 6a with enchantment multiplier. And make one last key for his CBL

 

[speedster352]

Why isn’t Meliodas large country level plus with true magic or assault mode? You saw his feats against PDK. At least put likely high 6b plus and high 6a with enchantment multiplier. And make one last key for his CBL

Also scaling above Arthur FC attacks should make him high 6b plus then high 6a with enchantment multiplier.

oh, you mean chapter 282, when he killed those demons. yeah, he has a weapon there

 

[speedster352]

I know what you're talking about the final attack, but you said nothing about it turning black. And no it didn't. That's called blood.

Why does that matter?

Also 400 teratons times 2 is 800 teratons which is where high 6 a starts it starts at 760 teratons to be exact. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency

 

[Majinere566]

Also 400 teratons times 2 is 800 teratons which is where high 6 a starts it starts at 700 teratons to be exact. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency

6A not High 6 A

 

[speedster352]

6A not High 6 A

My bad I meant 6a and with 10x amp would be high 6a

 

[ByAsura]

Since your done with the helbram calc can you add it to your sandbox? How long would it take to complete hypothetically?

New end hasn't been fully evaluated.

Why isn’t Meliodas large country level plus with true magic or assault mode? You saw his feats against PDK. At least put likely high 6b plus and high 6a with enchantment multiplier. And make one last key for his CBL

Because we agreed in the last threads and this one (like only a week ago) not to do that.

No. CBL is not any different from Post-Purgatory to our knowledge.

He already has a magic imbued weaponry multiplier.

Also 400 teratons times 2 is 800 teratons which is where high 6 a starts it starts at 760 teratons to be exact. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency

I know. I'm upgrading that when I have the time.

 

[speedster352]

Because we agreed in the last threads and this one (like only a week ago) not to do that.

If Meliodas is well beyond demon king he should scale to 100 percent DK simple.

 

[ByAsura]

For ****'s sake, my guy. We've debated this a billion times. It's unknown which form Zeldris was referring to.

 

[speedster352]

For ****'s sake, my guy. We've debated this a billion times. It's unknown which form Zeldris was referring to.

That doesn’t matter it should at least be likely since True magic Meliodas is stronger than UTO stop trying to head canon this and just stick with occam razor. He was possessed by the DK and he shares his memories like Meliodas he also sensed DK Britannia.