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NNT AP Revision

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ByAsura said:
@Antvasima

TL;DR

- Give Escanor multiple keys.

- Stop scaling The One to Prime Assault Mode Meliodas.

- 50% Deities > Demon King Meliodas > Corand Arc The One Escanor > 412.2 teratons.

You're probably already familiar with this, but I'll just explain the operation of Sunshine.

Basically, Escanor and Mael possess the Grace 'Sun', which dramatically increases or decreases their power depending on how close/far away it from noon (i.e, Escanor at 11 AM is much weaker than Escanor at 11:30, while Escanor at 12:30 PM is stronger than Escanor at 1:00). At noon, they attain an extremely powerful transformation known as The One that lasts for a single minute.

As I said here, Escanor should have multiple keys since he's demonstrably stronger as the series progresses. My particular aim is to scale The One Mael above The One Escanor in the Corand Arc, who's 412.2 teratons.

They both have the same Grace/transformation, but Afternoon Mael was able to curbstomp an opponent that far surpassed Assault Mode Meliodas, who was still easily stomping Near-Noon Escanor mere seconds before he became The One.

Basically:

- Mael well into the afternoon > Escanor mere seconds before noon.

- The One Mael > The One Escanor.

Now, let's look into the supposed contradictions that Speed brought up.

Firstly, The One Mael has no reason to scale to Assault Mode Meliodas like the profiles claim.

Gowther did say that an equal force (that being Mael) would be needed to restore the balance of power between the Goddess and Demon Clan after Meliodas' defection from the Demon Clan, but Gowther and Mael also admit that Ludoshel and Elizabeth (two characters that are weaker than Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas) were entirely suitable for that purpose. The only reason Demon Gowther chose Mael specifically was because he killed the former's lover.

Additionally, The One only lasts for a single minute (meaning he's only The One less than 0.07% of the time), and Near-Noon Mael has fought with 2nd Mark Meliodas.

So, from this information, Gowther can't possibly be referring to levels of power on par with Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas, and it makes absolutely no sense that he'd be referring to The One Mael.

Secondly, Mael wouldn't scale above the Supreme Deity and Demon King because The One Escanor that matched 100% Demon King Zeldris is going to be a separate key from Corand Arc Escanor.

In fact, this leads me to my next point of scaling the 50% deities above The One Escanor during the Corand Arc.

Firstly, Demon King Meliodas nearly split 2nd Mark Zeldris in half, while The One Escanor only pierced Zeldris' torso with an attack that concentrates Sunshine into one point. Zeldris was notably able to stand and regenerate from this even after Ludoshel attacked him, while he was mostly unconscious and on the verge of dying from Demon King's attack.

Demon King Meliodas = Ban < 50% Demon King.

To kill an argument before it's even brought up, Zeldris here may have been a bit weakened, but he was still powerful enough to tank attacks that would've killed a wounded Mael and The Sins while using just his 1st Demon Mark (Mael > 2nd Mark Zeldris), so he's not really weakened (if he's even weakened at all).

Secondly, Supreme Deity being the ruler and creator of the Goddess Clan should automatically place her above Mael. The four archangels and basically everyone in the series even regard her as a god.
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This makes sense to me at least.
 
speedster352 said:
Here Mael is only stronger than Ludoceil near noon so that’s the only way he can be equal to Meliodas
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The scan didn't say that (plus he uses a ton of headcanon), it's massively contradicted by him one-shotting OG Demon well after noon passed, and it doesn't remotely matter because they're specifically referring to the forms that are equal to each other in that quote. So the quote doesn't refer to Assault Mode Meliodas regardless.
 
ByAsura said:
The scan didn't say that (plus he uses a ton of headcanon), and it doesn't remotely matter because they're specifically referring to the forms that are equal to each other in that quote. So the quote doesn't refer to Assault Mode Meliodas regardless.
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Watch the video Here
 
Yes, that one.

What constitutes near-noon, then?

Cool. The portion of the fight we see is still equal, though.

Anyway, you're not actually addressing the statement itself. You're arguing semantics to keep one part of the statement and ignore the other, but you simply can't have your cake and eat it too.

The fact is, Ludoshel (despite obviously being weaker than 2nd Mark) and Elizabeth are established as equals capable of altering the balance of power. If that refers to a weaker form of Mael, then a weaker form of Mael is capable of filling in the power gap left by Meliodas.
 
ByAsura said:
Yes, that one.

What constitutes near-noon?

Cool. The portion of the fight we see is still equal, though.

Anyway, you're not actually addressing the statement itself. You're arguing semantics to keep one part of the statement and ignore the other, but you simply can't have your cake and eat it too.

The fact is, Ludoshel (despite obviously being weaker than 2nd Mark) and 2nd Mark are established as equals capable of altering the balance of power. If that refers to a weaker form of Mael, then a weaker form of Mael is capable of filling in the power gap left by Meliodas.
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That’s not enough why was Mael afraid of Meliodas then near noon? Why not wait and one shot him if he is 10x stronger in the one? It’s probabsly because a Mael is scared of AM Meliodas or b Mael was having trouble remembering properly since he wasn’t at the indura fight.
 
speedster352 said:
That’s not enough why was Mael afraid of Meliodas then near noon?
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You know equal characters can be afraid of each other or gain an advantage in combat, right?
speedster352 said:
Why not wait and one shot him if he is 10x stronger in the one?
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What suggests he'd have the opportunity?

Also, you could literally say this for any one of the Ten Commandments.
speedster352 said:
It’s probabsly because a Mael is scared of AM Meliodas
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Cool, but even if that head canon is correct, it doesn't prove that AM = The One.
speedster352 said:
or b Mael was having trouble remembering properly since he wasn’t at the indura fight.
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This would have been pre-Holy War, since Meliodas was a member of the Demon Clan.

Mael was converted near the end, since Gowther was making preparations for the forbidden spell during the Indura fight.
 
ByAsura said:
You know equal characters can be afraid of each other or gain an advantage in combat, right?

What suggests he'd have the opportunity?

Also, you could literally say this for any one of the Ten Commandments.

Cool, but even if that head canon is correct, it doesn't prove that AM = The One.

This would have been pre-Holy War, since Meliodas was a member of the Demon Clan.

Mael was converted near the end, since Gowther was making preparations for the forbidden spell during the Indura fight.
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That’s false they would be equal not afraid of someone unless they are stronger. Maybe because it was near noon and he was in the celestial realm which is his advantage since he has home turf him running away is huge. Yeah but he wasn’t there and didn’t see them fight. This proves that AM Meliodas and the one Mael are relative in strength for the balance of the holy war. Even with Mael they needed help from all the other clans to even face the demon clan even after Meliodas left.
 
speedster352 said:
That’s false they would be equal not afraid of someone unless they are stronger.
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Lots of equal characters in fiction are afraid of each other. Equal characters can typically hurt and even kill each other.

This is like saying two militaries aren't afraid of each other because they have equal forces.
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Maybe because it was near noon and he was in the celestial realm which is his advantage since he has home turf him running away is huge.
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No it isn't. The fact that it's in an empty patch of sky in his own realm does nothing for Mael.
speedster352 said:
Yeah but he wasn’t there and didn’t see them fight.
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Tf are you talking about? You're the one who made up this point in the first place, and I was debunking it by showing that the Mael fight occurred before the Holy War was even a thing.
speedster352 said:
This proves that AM Meliodas and the one Mael are relative in strength for the balance of the holy war.
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No it doesn't. The fact that Meliodas repelled a weaker form of Mael with a weaker form, which were still shown to match each other's powers, doesn't do shit.
speedster352 said:
Even with Mael they needed help from all the other clans to even face the demon clan even after Meliodas left.
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Again, where are you getting this from? The Goddess Clan literally rounded up tens of thousands of demons and slaughtered them en mass.

The fact that the Holy War happened in the first place was explicitly because the balance of the Demon and Goddess Clan was tipped in the latter's favour, so statements go against this.

Also, who cares? That has nothing to do with Meliodas and Mael individually.
 
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Lots of equal characters in fiction are afraid of each other. Equal characters can typically hurt and even kill each other.
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Was it really implied that Mael retreated because he was afraid? Or did he do it out of necessity (E.G. Mel was capable of drawing out the fight and outlasting Mael).

Also there's no timeframe for the fight right, we only know that they clashed equally in weaker forms?
 
Speedster is the one claiming Mael's afraid. I'm just addressing his hypotheticals.

That's all we know, basically. Here's the chapter.

Anyway, I don't even see the point in arguing when I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that the statement isn't referring to The One and Assault Mode directly (even Speed is resorting to saying that it's other forms of Mael, which kills the point to begin with). Even if there's some scaling between them, it wouldn't come from Gowther's balance of power statement.
 
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ByAsura said:
Speedster is the one claiming Mael's afraid. I'm just addressing his hypotheticals.

That's all we know, basically. Here's the chapter.

Anyway, I don't even see the point in arguing when I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that the statement isn't referring to The One and Assault Mode directly (even Speed is resorting to saying that it's other forms of Mael, which kills the point to begin with). Even if there's some scaling between them, it wouldn't come from Gowther's balance of power statement.
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Whatever it makes no sense Mael being 10x stronger than Meliodas at noon and him not one shotting Meliodas
 
He's not 10x stronger than Holy War Assault Mode Meliodas. He's 10x stronger than Post-Revival Assault Mode, who is far inferior to vessel Ludoshel, let alone True Body Ludoshel. In turn, True Body Ludoshel can't even match 2nd Mark Holy War Meliodas, and Assault Mode is much stronger than 2nd Mark.
 
ByAsura said:
He's not 10x stronger than Holy War Assault Mode Meliodas. He's 10x stronger than Post-Revival Assault Mode, who is far inferior to vessel Ludoshel, let alone True Body Ludoshel. In turn, True Body Ludoshel can't even match 2nd Mark Holy War Meliodas, and Assault Mode is much stronger than 2nd Mark.
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So why not make Meliodas his equal? It very evident that they have relatively or the holy war would have been won by the goddess clan a long time ago. You still haven’t proved why the one Mael is so much stronger than Meliodas all of a sudden. I am cool with the upgrade but it leads to circular scaling and too many assumptions being made that’s why it pains me to have to refute this.
 
speedster352 said:
So why not make Meliodas his equal?
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There's no evidence of that.
speedster352 said:
It very evident that they have relatively or the holy war would have been won by the goddess clan a long time ago.
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Why's it evident? You still have yet to provide a reason of why they'd even be able to fight at that specific time to begin with.
speedster352 said:
You still haven’t proved why the one Mael is so much stronger than Meliodas all of a sudden.
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You still haven't given any evidence for them to be equal.

Post-Revival Meliodas =/= Holy War Meliodas.

Near-Noon Mael alone could eat Assault Mode for breakfast at half power, so what contentions do you have?
speedster352 said:
I am cool with the upgrade but it leads to circular scaling and too many assumptions being made that’s why it pains me to have to refute this.
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No it doesn't. Do you even know what circular scaling is?

Here's an actual example of circular scaling.

Mael = The One Escanor during the PDK fight, and PDK = 659.52 teratons, so The One Mael = 659.52 teratons. But, 50% deities > Mael, so PDK = 1.31904 petatons.
 
ByAsura said:
There's no evidence of that.

And your point is?

You still haven't given any evidence for them to be equal.

Post-Revival Meliodas =/= Holy War Meliodas.

Near-Noon Mael alone could eat Assault Mode for breakfast at half power, so what contentions do you have?

No it doesn't. Do you even know what circular scaling is?

Here's an actual example of circular scaling.

Mael = The One Escanor during the PDK fight, and PDK = 659.52 teratons, so The One Mael = 659.52 teratons. But, 50% deities > Mael, so PDK = 1.31904 petatons.
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Holy war AM Meliodas should scale to noon Mael. That’s the whole point of them being equals.
 
Oh my god. I've already addressed that damn claim.

I'm getting so sick of this.
 
ByAsura said:
Oh my god. I've already addressed that damn claim.

I'm getting so sick of this.
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Whatever I have voiced my concern let’s see what everyone else thinks about this. And BTW I am cool with the scaling just had a few disagreements.
 
I think that I already gave a go ahead for ByAsura's intended changes here.
 
I'll add it later.

Anyway, Speed, I've found a way for both of us die happy.

Zeldris says Prime Assault Mode > The One Escanor as he's powering through Ominous Nebula.

So, Meliodas can simply scale above Escanor without any Mael scaling (effectively giving them the same rating), and Demon King/Supreme Deity are already superior to Prime Assault Mode Meliodas.
 
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ByAsura said:
I'll add it later.

Anyway, Speed, I've found a way for both of us die happy.

Zeldris says Prime Assault Mode > The One Escanor as he's powering through Ominous Nebula.

So, Meliodas can simply scale above Escanor without any Mael scaling (effectively giving them the same rating), and Demon King/Supreme Deity are already superior to Prime Assault Mode Meliodas.
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You will add the changes of this crt? Also have you applied the changes from makai crt you said you will do it. Also how life?
 
ByAsura said:
@Antvasima

TL;DR

- Give Escanor multiple keys.

- Stop scaling The One to Prime Assault Mode Meliodas.

- 50% Deities > Demon King Meliodas > Corand Arc The One Escanor > 412.2 teratons.

You're probably already familiar with this, but I'll just explain the operation of Sunshine.

Basically, Escanor and Mael possess the Grace 'Sun', which dramatically increases or decreases their power depending on how close/far away it from noon (i.e, Escanor at 11 AM is much weaker than Escanor at 11:30, while Escanor at 12:30 PM is stronger than Escanor at 1:00). At noon, they attain an extremely powerful transformation known as The One that lasts for a single minute.

As I said here, Escanor should have multiple keys since he's demonstrably stronger as the series progresses. My particular aim is to scale The One Mael above The One Escanor in the Corand Arc, who's 412.2 teratons.

They both have the same Grace/transformation, but Afternoon Mael was able to curbstomp an opponent that far surpassed Assault Mode Meliodas, who was still easily stomping Near-Noon Escanor mere seconds before he became The One.

Basically:

- Mael well into the afternoon > Escanor mere seconds before noon.

- The One Mael > The One Escanor.

Now, let's look into the supposed contradictions that Speed brought up.

Firstly, The One Mael has no reason to scale to Assault Mode Meliodas like the profiles claim.

Gowther did say that an equal force (that being Mael) would be needed to restore the balance of power between the Goddess and Demon Clan after Meliodas' defection from the Demon Clan, but Gowther and Mael also admit that Ludoshel and Elizabeth (two characters that are weaker than Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas) were entirely suitable for that purpose. The only reason Demon Gowther chose Mael specifically was because he killed the former's lover.

Additionally, The One only lasts for a single minute (meaning he's only The One less than 0.07% of the time), and Near-Noon Mael has fought with 2nd Mark Meliodas.

So, from this information, Gowther can't possibly be referring to levels of power on par with Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas, and it makes absolutely no sense that he'd be referring to The One Mael.

Secondly, Mael wouldn't scale above the Supreme Deity and Demon King because The One Escanor that matched 100% Demon King Zeldris is going to be a separate key from Corand Arc Escanor.

In fact, this leads me to my next point of scaling the 50% deities above The One Escanor during the Corand Arc.

Firstly, Demon King Meliodas nearly split 2nd Mark Zeldris in half, while The One Escanor only pierced Zeldris' torso with an attack that concentrates Sunshine into one point. Zeldris was notably able to stand and regenerate from this even after Ludoshel attacked him, while he was mostly unconscious and on the verge of dying from Demon King's attack.

Demon King Meliodas = Ban < 50% Demon King.

To kill an argument before it's even brought up, Zeldris here may have been a bit weakened, but he was still powerful enough to tank attacks that would've killed a wounded Mael and The Sins while using just his 1st Demon Mark (Mael > 2nd Mark Zeldris), so he's not really weakened (if he's even weakened at all).

Secondly, Supreme Deity being the ruler and creator of the Goddess Clan should automatically place her above Mael. The four archangels and basically everyone in the series even regard her as a god.
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Agree fully with this
 
ByAsura said:
I'm getting tired of having to redo the scaling chain constantly, especially speed. Rather than continuing this thread with AP/Speed and making a Part 2, I'm just splitting it into 3 separate threads. Sorry for how messy this all is.

This first one will cover AP and the multipliers.

Keep in mind, the thread didn't take 5 months to come out, it was the scaling sandboxes. Due to repeated bullshit, I'm just saving at least the AP sandbox for after the main points are concluded. It should be faster that way.

Oh, and please remember not to rehash the same arguments without new evidence. I just want to get that out of the way so this thread doesn't last as long as the months-long discussion about it.

Making the Demon Mark Consistent​

We honestly have no reason to believe that Demon Mark isn't a consistent multiplier, especially since 2nd Demon Mark was already accepted as being a 2x amp, and nothing suggests there's some wild gap in power between each appearance.

The only Demon Mark on our profiles that diverges massively from Meliodas' base is his Danafor key, but I can debunk this gap pretty quickly; base Unsealed Meliodas was able to survive Derieri's 54th Combo Star and Monspeet's Hell Phoenix, despite both attacks surpassing the attack power of his enlarged Demon Mark. Meliodas in this key can damage opponents stronger/more durable than him.

Explanation​

The Red Demon's 63 megaton feat was debunked in another thread. Also, Tarmiel's calculation has been upgraded to 10.3 Teratons.

BoS Characters​

We have this feat, where Albion slices a mountain in two. This places Albion and Ash Hendrickson (also Demon Meliodas, to a lesser extent, since he hurt a weakened Hendy far beyond Gideon or King's attack power) at over 67.7 megatons.

It's stated that Ash Hendrickson's power is simply Red Demon Hendrickson + a Grey Demon, which have been damaged by the likes of Gilthunder and Howzer. So Meliodas and co are just under 34 megatons. Supporting this, Helbram, whose magic was stated to be on par with a Holy Knight Captain at the time, has a 15.8 megaton feat.

Ban is accepted as being half as powerful as Meliodas here and in the previous thread, so anyone who physically scales to him is just under 17 megatons. Although far inferior to 17 megatons, it's also worth noting the Red Demon that Ban fought and killed has an almost 3.6 megaton feat.

Ten Commandments Arc - Onwards (Upscaling)​

This one is a bit more complicated.

Tarmiel created an ocean, which was accepted as 10.3 teratons (Country level).

Margaret was explicitly the perfect match for Ludoshel's magic power, yet even a weakened True Body Ludoshel did much more damage to a Crisis-amped Original Demon than Margoshel could perform on Chandler, Cusack and Zeldris. So we've agreed that all the Goddesses are >>>2x their vessels. 20.61 teratons (Country level).

Estarossa is accepted as being 1/2th the Archangel's vessels, which is substantiated by the fact that he was equal to them after absorbing a single Commandment. Estarossa = Post-Revival Meliodas. 5.15 teratons (Small Country level+).

The 2nd Demon Mark 4x multiplier was accepted here. 20.61 teratons (Country level).

2nd Mark Meliodas couldn't damage the Gloom Cocoon, and one-shot it by just transforming into Assault Mode (which actually occurred after Mel amped it even more with negative energy). Tristan, on the other hand, could already damage the cocoon (placing him above 2nd Mark) and merely sliced it in two with a 2-3 times Enchanter amp (see below for details). So, Assault Mode scales above Enchanter Tristan. 41.22 teratons (Country level).

Chandler, Cusack and Margoshel are all >>> Assault Mode Meliodas (who's superior to 2nd Mark), and Zeldris is comparable to an extent. 41.22 teratons (Country level).

Original Demon is Chandler + Cusack with an automatic crisis amp. 82.44 teratons (Country level+).

Weakened True Ludoshel stomped Original Demon, as I said previously. 82.44 teratons (Country level+).

Zeldris' 2nd Mark is 82.44 teratons (Country level+). This is substantiated by his performance against Mael, who's stronger than Ludoshel and Original Demon.

Post-Purgatory Meliodas stomped weakened DK Zeldris, who's logically stronger than Zeldris, wasn't far inferior to Demon King Meliodas (who god stomped Mael and almost killed Zeldris with one shot), and did about the same damage to him as Elizabeth (who's comparable to or stronger than the Archangels). 82.44 teratons (Country level+).

2nd Mark is 329.76 teratons (Large Country level).

50% DK alone Post-Purgatory Ban could fight PDK to the same extent as 2nd Mark Meliodas and King (who is, in fact, superior to base Post-Purgatory Meliodas because he's > Dahlia, who was as strong or stronger than 1st Mark Meliodas). 50% DK stomped Ban and Wild (who's stronger than Ban), and 100% DK is twice as strong, but weaker than PDK. 659.52 teratons (Large Country level+).
Demon King briefly stopped an attack from the Sins while his magic was nullified. So this is Diane w/Gideon (who hurt Chimera Indura) + Post-Purgatory Assault Mode Meliodas (who scales above 2nd Mark) + The Ultimate One Escanor (who above 100% DK) + Ban + King. 1.73124 petatons (Continent level).

Ten Commandments Arc - Onwards (Downscaling)​

Basically, I'm just taking this scaling and refitting it.

Estarossa = 5.15 teratons (Small Country level+).

Derieri = 2.6 teratons (Small Country level).

Base Unsealed Meliodas = 0.64 teratons (Large Island level+)

Galand could survive a serious beat down from Unsealed Mel and somewhat fight the Archangels, so he should be around this league rather than scaling to characters that he absolutely stomped. I think he and everyone in this section should have an at most, though.

Enchantment/Destroyer Amplification​

Lancelot explains this simply; when magic is added to a weapon (like so), its destructive power is amplified exponentially. Enchanter-type magic increases its destructive power 2 to 3-fold, while Destroyer-type is nearly 10x more powerful. This explicitly applies to the weapon itself when used in conjunction, not the magic imbued within, also meaning that this shouldn't be applicable to Full Counter amps.

Fortunately, there is a list of what magic actually qualifies as Destroyer/Enchanter. So I think we should have criteria for the amps.

Is it applicable?: As I said before, it's imbued within a weapon and increases the weapon's destructive power by imbuing it with magical traits. So, something like this or this isn't applicable. Additionally, this doesn't apply to a character's fists, as Percival could do that in the first few chapters.

Does it change the balance of power?: When Percival used an Enchanter amp, he could carve apart Cernuous' antlers with ease, despite only scratching them prior. As an example, Gilthunder (whose power is equal to Meliodas) commonly fights Meliodas with and without imbuing his weapon, yet it hardly changes their fight.

Outliers: Just because, for example, Demon King's Destroyer-amplified slashes did even less damage than his and (notice the hole in his stomach) Escanor's punches, does this mean a character shouldn't have Destroyer amps in general? No, that just means it's inconsistency, and DK should still have a 10x amp on his AP. However, characters like Gilthunder consistently don't display the amp during the prior to the Defensive Battle for Liones arc.

What invalidates the amp?: Meliodas' Full Counter only reflects indirect magic attacks, so it logically can't be applied to the amps. However, the attack reflecting off something like Perfect Cube is fine since that would rebound the entire destructive force of the attack.

Do they commonly use a weapon?: Elizabeth never uses a weapon, but does have the ability to amplify their attack power, while Mael/Estarossa can imbue his fists with Darkness/Light for Killing Saucer and did use a weapon at one point (just not in the series). Should they be given the amp?

I did have a list of all the instances of Enchanters/Destroyer magic amps in the series, but I lost it in editing. It doesn't matter anyway, because I have yet to see an instance that'd boost a characters scaling. We can just discuss that shit here.

Miscellaneous​

Combining Albion's Profiles​

At this point, there's no need for an Albion I and II profile since their the main point of everyone's AP. They should just be combined.

Downgrading Pre-Purgatory Ban's Durability​

Ban can't take hits from Unsealed Base Meliodas, even while amped by Snatch (simultaneously weakening Meliodas). He's a massive glass cannon who (despite weirdly being able to survive his own attack recoil) gets half his body obliterated by Dale, and stabbed fodder Holy Knights/children with pitchforks.

To my knowledge, his only real durability feat is surviving after Elaine pushed him off the Sacred Tree, but even that was mostly because the forest was stopping him from getting killed. So he can't even survive that.

His durability should just be Unknown.

But this absolutely doesn't apply to Post-Purgatory Ban, who actually does have AP comparable to his durability.

Scaling Magic Power​

Fun fact. Derieri has a magic power of 1,500, and Izraf has a magic power of 2,080. Does this mean Izraf > Derieri.

No, because they focus on different types of magic. So let's get another comparison.

Estarossa (whose magic is greater than his physicals) has a magic power of 3,000, and King's magic is 3,370.

Basically, we shouldn't just automatically assume someone is more powerful than another character simply by virtue of having superior magic power.

I will elaborate on the characters affected by this later.
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Ant gave permission so please add this so we can get this over with and focus on speed and etc. are you done with the sandbox? What about the speed and LS crt?
 
Speedster..... he'll eventually add the changes when he gets the free time to do so. Constantly bugging Asura doesn't cause the changes to be applied any faster, it just irritates him and decreases his will to actually apply the changes in a timely manner.

ByAsura is a competent mod, he'll add them eventually, don't you worry about that.
 
Nah he's just wants to rush the CRTs because like he mentioned multiple times before, he's going to leave this site when they're over. He just wants to speed it up so he can leave.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Nah he's just wants to rush the CRTs because like he mentioned multiple times before, he's going to leave this site when they're over. He just wants to speed it up so he can leave.
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You have a point there but I don’t want to bother byashura for my own personal gain if I done that I sincerely apologize.
 
ByAsura said:
Speedster is the one claiming Mael's afraid. I'm just addressing his hypotheticals.

That's all we know, basically. Here's the chapter.

Anyway, I don't even see the point in arguing when I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that the statement isn't referring to The One and Assault Mode directly (even Speed is resorting to saying that it's other forms of Mael, which kills the point to begin with). Even if there's some scaling between them, it wouldn't come from Gowther's balance of power statement.
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Meliodas was clearly stronger in this chapter but They aren’t at full power
 
Steve_Rogers1 said:
50% Deities > Demon King Mel AP > Afternoon Mael dura > The One Escanor (Corand) dura
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Yes.
speedster352 said:
You will add the changes of this crt?
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Yes.
speedster352 said:
Also have you applied the changes from makai crt you said you will do it.
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I've been busy.
speedster352 said:
Also how life?
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Fine. Hby?
speedster352 said:
Ant gave permission so please add this so we can get this over with and focus on speed and etc. are you done with the sandbox?
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No. These changes only just got vetted.
speedster352 said:
What about the speed and LS crt?
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LS should be coming within a few days of this one.
 
ByAsura said:
Yes.

Yes.

I've been busy.

Fine. Hby?

No. These changes only just got vetted.

LS should be coming within a few days of this one.
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I am doing great. What does vetted mean? Also you have a go ahead so you can make the changes you enough input. That’s good to hear.
 
ByAsura said:
I wouldn't say it's time consuming, since I still need more input from calc group members in general.

I'll ask some more.

@Executor_N0 @Mr._Bambu @DMUA @Wokistan Sorry to be a bother, but could any of you possibly give your opinions on this end of the calculation?
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Couldn’t we use Mach 1 reactions using Arthur’s reaction to Mel and Gil fighting

It would be easier for Mitch to agree with a lowball if we even go higher
 
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