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NNT AP Revision

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I didn't even realise you were mad. I was just joking.

Life's fine. Hby?

I'll wait maybe a couple days, especially in light of the new Helbram stuff.
 
ByAsura said:
I didn't even realise you were mad. I was just joking.

Life's fine. Hby?

I'll wait maybe a couple days, especially in light of the new Helbram stuff.
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Also give the blog to the calc group members message walls which would make it go faster.
 
ByAsura:

Can you explain what you think should be done here in easy to understand manners please?
 
ByAsura said:
I still don't see your point.

All damage does itself is bring him closer to death due to his body breaking down, so damage actually has nothing to do with it except for activating Crisis by proxy.

Besides, taking twice the damage wouldn't double his power, it'd double the amp he receives from his life draining away. For example, let's say he has a health bar, and receiving 1 damage increases his power 1% (non-exponentially). 2 damage would just increase his power 2%.

If anything, this shows how wrong your point is.

He's already damaged at the start of the fight, gets blasted with lightning spree, gets obliterated again, and it takes another attack for him to equal Ludoshel. Then he surpasses Ludo by continuing to break down on his own.

If it is proportional to damage, literally a single attack would have boosted OG Demon to Ludoshel's level.
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Makes sense, was just trying my luck
 
ByAsura said:
This is simply part 1 of 3, so I won't be making the changes yet.

I'll finish up the sandbox and show everyone the new AP values.
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With the echament multipliers of course would is scale to durability since they can block with it?
 
ByAsura said:
Do they commonly use a weapon?: Elizabeth never uses a weapon, but does have the ability to amplify their attack power, while Mael/Estarossa can imbue his fists with Darkness/Light for Killing Saucer and did use a weapon at one point (just not in the series). Should they be given the amp?
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It’s possible however Prime mael should have it since he had a sword in the past
 
ByAsura said:
There is no Prime Mael. But sure, I'll give him it.

Sorry, can you repeat this? I can't really understand what you're saying.
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Will you add enchantment Multipliers to your sandbox? Next when can enchantment multipliers be used for durability in the scaling chain?
 
ByAsura said:
The One Escanor tanking Assault Mode Meliodas' destroyer-amped attacks.

No. Which was so evident that literally nobody here agreed with you.
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But that’s not fair you just said it was weaker than Then him everyone believed you with no proof but head canon. Just say Meliodas scales above the FC and is at least 2x stronger than his first form in base considering how bad he wrecked him. Would that scale ON 10x AM Meliodas? That would be impressive.
 
speedster352 said:
But that’s not fair you just said it was weaker than Then him everyone believed you with no proof but head canon.
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I gave plenty of evidence, and people agreed with it.

Writing it off as head canon for the thousandth time doesn't make you any more correct than the last 999 times.
speedster352 said:
Just say Meliodas scales above the FC and is at least 2x stronger than his first form in base considering how bad he wrecked him.
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Same debunked logic, of course.
speedster352 said:
Would that scale ON 10x AM Meliodas? That would be impressive.
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He already scales higher.
 
ByAsura said:
I gave plenty of evidence, and people agreed with it.

Writing it off as head canon for the thousandth time doesn't make you any more correct than the last 999 times.

Same debunked logic, of course.

He already scales higher.
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Also shouldn’t DK Meliodas be 2x stronger than the cast since he would have one shot them many times of it wasn’t for King and Ludoceil sacrificing themselves to save them? Any luck with finding other multipliers for nnt?
 
ByAsura said:
Writing it off as head canon for the thousandth time doesn't make you any more correct than the last 999 times.
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Double standard. When I use head canon I am reprimanded but when you use it everyone is ok with it? So I am the bad guy for calling it out?
 
speedster352 said:
Also shouldn’t DK Meliodas be 2x stronger than the cast since he would have one shot them many times of it wasn’t for King and Ludoceil sacrificing themselves to save them?
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DK Meliodas is already 4x stronger than the main cast.
speedster352 said:
Any luck with finding other multipliers for nnt?
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No more than before.
speedster352 said:
Double standard. When I use head canon I am reprimanded but when you use it everyone is ok with it?
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I chided you because you literally had no evidence at all. It's not really head canon if you have a lot of evidence to support a claim.
ByAsura said:
Nice head canon. Not the stuff you like to call head canon either, actual head canon.
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speedster352 said:
So I am the bad guy for calling it out?
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You're not the bad guy, your counter-arguments were just terrible.
 
ByAsura said:
DK Meliodas is already 4x stronger than the main cast.

No more than before.

I chided you because you literally had no evidence at all. It's not really head canon if you have a lot of evidence to support a claim.


You're not the bad guy, your counter-arguments were just terrible.
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I mean like shouldn’t he be 2x mael and stuff being 160 teratons then scale his DK Zeldris form and post purgatory base Meliodas to it? Since they scale way above these characters in your final nnt scaling you said ban was 4x FTL for dodging DK Meliodas attacks that could blitz Mael. Speaking of which can’t we do calcs on blitzing Ludoceil using flash?
 
speedster352 said:
I mean like shouldn’t he be 2x mael and stuff being 160 teratons then scale his DK Zeldris form and post purgatory base Meliodas to it?
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I could counter this (namely DK Zeldris himself implies it isn't the case, and had very little magic), but I'll just say that it'd actually lower the scaling chain considerably.

See, DK Meliodas upscales 4x to DK Zeldris and co via Meliodas.

So, if you scaled DK Zeldris to DK Meliodas, then you wouldn't have a massive 4x multiplier. You'd just have DK Meliodas scaling directly to someone stronger than Mael.
speedster352 said:
Since they scale way above these characters in your final nnt scaling you said ban was 4x FTL for dodging DK Meliodas attacks that could blitz Mael.
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No, that was the old scaling.

I said Meliodas was due to 2nd Mark. Ban's just comparable to him in speed, and can keep up with DK Meliodas.
speedster352 said:
Speaking of which can’t we do calcs on blitzing Ludoceil using flash?
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Depends on whether or not he was using it during the blitz.

Anyway, let's not get concerned with speed in this thread about AP.
 
ByAsura said:
I could counter this, but I'll just say that it'd actually lower the scaling chain considerably.

See, DK Meliodas upscales 4x to DK Zeldris and co via Meliodas.

So, if you scaled DK Zeldris to DK Meliodas, then you wouldn't have a massive 4x multiplier. You'd just have DK Meliodas scaling directly to someone stronger than Mael.

No, that was the old scaling.

I said Meliodas was due to 2nd Mark. Ban's just comparable to him in speed, and can keep up with DK Meliodas.

Depends on whether or not he was using it during the blitz.

Anyway, let's not get concerned with speed in this thread about AP.
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Make him at least 2x stronger than Zeldris from one shotting him since I think I saw that isn’t what oneshotting rules. That should work. Any progress on sandbox? What should we do with first form DK Zeldris durability he tanks a lot of attacks(one we already know so I won’t say it again)
 
speedster352 said:
Make him at least 2x stronger than Zeldris from one shotting him since I think I saw that isn’t what oneshotting rules.
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It's not one-shotting rules, it's what a person on this wiki is failing to get accepted.

We don't upscale based on one-shotting (outside of comparing character ratings versus threads. i.e, someone who's one megaton could one-shot someone who's 100 kilotons in a versus match), otherwise tons of characters would be way stronger.
speedster352 said:
Any progress on sandbox?
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Yes.
speedster352 said:
What should we do with first form DK Zeldris durability he tanks a lot of attacks(one we already know so I won’t say it again)
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What?
 
ByAsura said:
It's not one-shotting rules, it's what a person on this wiki is failing to get accepted.

We don't upscale based on one-shotting (outside of comparing character ratings versus threads. i.e, someone who's one megaton could one-shot someone who's 100 kilotons in a versus match), otherwise tons of characters would be way stronger.

Yes.

What?
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He tanks his FC(which already has a lot of contention right now) and he tanks Meliodas lostavnne and punches and also tanks the combine technique with lostavnne and arc which should be a 10x amp so how should we scale his durability and thoughts that scale above him?
 
I already addressed the Ark situation.

He didn't tank shit. It severely damaged him, and the normal ass Ark and non-Lostvayne-based attacks damage him a ton as well.

Surviving with extensive damage is not proof of high or even comparable durability.
 
Anyway should assualt mode multiplier apply for one form of Meliodas or all forms of Meliodas?
 
Majinere566 said:
Why would Assault Mode multipliers apply for all of Meliodas' forms?
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Yo Aether sent me this i made a translation

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Knowing that this « に » is a way to say 2
« つよ.い » means Strong/stronger
And « 以前 » means previous/before etc…

i would say the sentence means

« Ironically his demon power is 2x stronger than his previous strength/power»
 
So what should we do here exactly, and which staff members have thought what here?
 
Antvasima said:
So what should we do here exactly, and which staff members have thought what here?
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Currently byasura take request in official translation to confirm Assault mode multiplier (main problem multiplier), and above what speedster sent was translate by our one of expert japanese translator makai64100. But byasura still wait for confirmation from other translator
 
Aether_ said:
Currently byasura take request in official translation to confirm Assault mode multiplier (main problem multiplier), and above what speedster sent was translate by our one of expert japanese translator makai64100. But byasura still wait for confirmation from other translator
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« Expert » 😭 chill
I have a few bases i’m not an expert but i’m pretty sure my translation is correct

I hope we can find more stuff about multipliers
 
Aether_ said:
Currently byasura take request in official translation to confirm Assault mode multiplier (main problem multiplier), and above what speedster sent was translate by our one of expert japanese translator makai64100. But byasura still wait for confirmation from other translator
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Okay. I will try to help him out to get some help.
 
Yes, we received a translation, but the translator wanted us to get a second opinion from another translator as well.
 
ByAsura said:
I already addressed the Ark situation.

He didn't tank shit. It severely damaged him, and the normal ass Ark and non-Lostvayne-based attacks damage him a ton as well.

Surviving with extensive damage is not proof of high or even comparable durability.
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What would the scaling chain look like with the AM multiplier being applied for all versions of Meliodas?
 
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