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NNT AP Revision

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I've been thinking about some keys for Escanor for a couple days now.

Pre-New Holy War Arc (includes Pre-Bos/Ten Commandments to Corand Arc feats, like the Assault Mode fight) | New Holy War Arc (Zeldris Ominous Nebula fight) | Demon King Arc (fighting Demon King and such).

Near-Noon Escanor in the Corand Arc was far inferior to Meliodas even seconds before Noon.

Near-Noon Escanor in the New Holy War Arc was a huge threat to Ludoshel, Chandler and Cusack.

Near-Noon Escanor in the Demon King Arc, obviously, was somewhat comparable to Demon King and could harm him.

Why is he stronger? Storing sunlight, I guess.

Given that post-prime Assault Mode one-shot him with ease (he also did very little damage to base Meliodas), it's pretty obvious that he gets stronger over time.
Majinere566 said:
Has anyone viewed the season 2 enchantment list?
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Yes.
 
As just examples on their own (not what they'd apply to, or it just being extra energy stacked on top of what'd already count as an enchantment), they're fine.
 
ByAsura said:
By me putting it here, on a watched thread.

Everyone who's giving input has already seen the OP.

For the last time, that's where I'm putting the new accepted shit.

Sure, I'll tag them.
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Anyway how’s life? Have you seen the other crts related to nnt?
 
@ByAsura

I am somewhat familiar with NNT. If you explain things in easy to understand manners, I might be able to evaluate and give you a go ahead.
 
Antvasima said:
@ByAsura

I am somewhat familiar with NNT. If you explain things in easy to understand manners, I might be able to evaluate and give you a go ahead.
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In layman’s terms byashura made a new update to his calc it uses 0.7 seconds. Next byashura wants to scale the one mael to the one escanor which would be 421 teratons then scale the deities far above this. Normally I would be cool with this however Meliodas is stated to be his equal multiple times and his presence alone maintained the balance of the holy war since gowther had to sacrifice himself to rewrite everyone’s memories of their strongest archangel mael to Estarossa for the demon clan even to survive. This might lead to circular scaling since Meliodas<Mael can’t happen because Mael is weaker the SD and DK and equal to Meliodas.
 
ByAsura said:
It won't lead to circular scaling because you're explaining it terribly and with absolutely no context of our discussion.
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Mael and Meliodas are equals that why the holy war was balanced you already know this only Meliodas could match Mael. If you upgrade Mael then Meliodas needs to be upgraded too. You need scans to prove otherwise.
 
I actually did explain otherwise already, but you seem to be forgetting that entire discussion. Now let me explain again because you're trying to debunk an upgrade.

Edit: Now I have to go to work, so I'll have to explain hours from now.
 
ByAsura said:
I actually did explain otherwise already, but you seem to be forgetting that entire discussion. Now let me explain again because you're trying to debunk an upgrade.

Edit: Now I have to go to work, so I'll have to explain hours from now.
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See you in the next 12 hours I guess. No this upgrade doesn’t work because if Mael had SD levels of power he would have one shotted Meliodas and won the holy war not being referred as his equal and running away from a demon mark Meliodas
 
@Antvasima

TL;DR

- Give Escanor multiple keys.

- Stop scaling The One to Prime Assault Mode Meliodas.

- 50% Deities > Demon King Meliodas > Corand Arc The One Escanor > 412.2 teratons.

You're probably already familiar with this, but I'll just explain the operation of Sunshine.

Basically, Escanor and Mael possess the Grace 'Sun', which dramatically increases or decreases their power depending on how close/far away it from noon (i.e, Escanor at 11 AM is much weaker than Escanor at 11:30, while Escanor at 12:30 PM is stronger than Escanor at 1:00). At noon, they attain an extremely powerful transformation known as The One that lasts for a single minute.

As I said here, Escanor should have multiple keys since he's demonstrably stronger as the series progresses. My particular aim is to scale The One Mael above The One Escanor in the Corand Arc, who's 412.2 teratons.

They both have the same Grace/transformation, but Afternoon Mael was able to curbstomp an opponent that far surpassed Assault Mode Meliodas, who was still easily stomping Near-Noon Escanor mere seconds before he became The One.

Basically:

- Mael well into the afternoon > Escanor mere seconds before noon.

- The One Mael > The One Escanor.

Now, let's look into the supposed contradictions that Speed brought up.

Firstly, The One Mael has no reason to scale to Assault Mode Meliodas like the profiles claim.

Gowther did say that an equal force (that being Mael) would be needed to restore the balance of power between the Goddess and Demon Clan after Meliodas' defection from the Demon Clan, but Gowther and Mael also admit that Ludoshel and Elizabeth (two characters that are weaker than Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas) were entirely suitable for that purpose. The only reason Demon Gowther chose Mael specifically was because he killed the former's lover.

Additionally, The One only lasts for a single minute (meaning he's only The One less than 0.07% of the time), and Near-Noon Mael has fought with 2nd Mark Meliodas.

So, from this information, Gowther can't possibly be referring to levels of power on par with Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas, and it makes absolutely no sense that he'd be referring to The One Mael.

Secondly, Mael wouldn't scale above the Supreme Deity and Demon King because The One Escanor that matched 100% Demon King Zeldris is going to be a separate key from Corand Arc Escanor.

In fact, this leads me to my next point of scaling the 50% deities above The One Escanor during the Corand Arc.

Firstly, Demon King Meliodas nearly split 2nd Mark Zeldris in half, while The One Escanor only pierced Zeldris' torso with an attack that concentrates Sunshine into one point. Zeldris was notably able to stand and regenerate from this even after Ludoshel attacked him, while he was mostly unconscious and on the verge of dying from Demon King's attack.

Demon King Meliodas = Ban < 50% Demon King.

To kill an argument before it's even brought up, Zeldris here may have been a bit weakened, but he was still powerful enough to tank attacks that would've killed a wounded Mael and The Sins while using just his 1st Demon Mark (Mael > 2nd Mark Zeldris), so he's not really weakened (if he's even weakened at all).

Secondly, Supreme Deity being the ruler and creator of the Goddess Clan should automatically place her above Mael. The four archangels and basically everyone in the series even regard her as a god.
 
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ByAsura said:
@Antvasima

TL;DR

- Give Escanor multiple keys.

- Stop scaling The One to Prime Assault Mode Meliodas.

- 50% Deities > Demon King Meliodas > Corand Arc The One Escanor > 412.2 teratons.

You're probably already familiar with this, but I'll just explain the operation of Sunshine.

Basically, Escanor and Mael possess the Grace 'Sun', which dramatically increases or decreases their power depending on how close/far away it from noon (i.e, Escanor at 11 AM is much weaker than Escanor at 11:30, while Escanor at 12:30 PM is stronger than Escanor at 1:00). At noon, they attain an extremely powerful transformation known as The One that lasts for a single minute.

As I said here, Escanor should have multiple keys since he's demonstrably stronger as the series progresses. My particular aim is to scale The One Mael above The One Escanor in the Corand Arc, who's 412.2 teratons.

They both have the same Grace/transformation, but Afternoon Mael was able to curbstomp an opponent that far surpassed Assault Mode Meliodas, who was still easily stomping Near-Noon Escanor mere seconds before he became The One.

Basically:

- Mael well into the afternoon > Escanor mere seconds before noon.

- The One Mael > The One Escanor.

Now, let's look into the supposed contradictions that Speed brought up.

Firstly, The One Mael has no reason to scale to Assault Mode Meliodas like the profiles claim.

Gowther did say that an equal force (that being Mael) would be needed to restore the balance of power between the Goddess and Demon Clan after Meliodas' defection from the Demon Clan, but Gowther and Mael also admit that Ludoshel and Elizabeth (two characters that are weaker than Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas) were entirely suitable for that purpose. The only reason Demon Gowther chose Mael specifically was because he killed the former's lover.

Additionally, The One only lasts for a single minute (meaning he's only The One less than 0.07% of the time), and Near-Noon Mael has fought with 2nd Mark Meliodas.

So, from this information, Gowther can't possibly be referring to levels of power on par with Holy War-era Assault Mode Meliodas, and it makes absolutely no sense that he'd be referring to The One Mael.

Secondly, Mael wouldn't scale above the Supreme Deity and Demon King because The One Escanor that matched 100% Demon King Zeldris is going to be a separate key from Corand Arc Escanor.

In fact, this leads me to my next point of scaling the 50% deities above The One Escanor during the Corand Arc.

Firstly, Demon King Meliodas nearly split 2nd Mark Zeldris in half, while The One Escanor only pierced Zeldris' torso with an attack that concentrates Sunshine into one point. Zeldris was notably able to stand and regenerate from this even after Ludoshel attacked him, while he was mostly unconscious and on the verge of dying from Demon King's attack.

Demon King Meliodas = Ban < 50% Demon King.

To kill an argument before it's even brought up, Zeldris here may have been a bit weakened, but he was still powerful enough to tank attacks that would've killed a wounded Mael and The Sins while using just his 1st Demon Mark (Mael > 2nd Mark Zeldris), so he's not really weakened (if he's even weakened at all).

Secondly, Supreme Deity being the ruler and creator of the Goddess Clan should automatically place her above Mael. The four archangels and basically everyone in the series even regard her as a god.
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Unfortunately if Mael is stronger than Meliodas the war would have no balance you know this. You need to explain why Mael didn’t one shot Meliodas and everyone and get it over with.
 
speedster352 said:
Unfortunately if Mael is stronger than Meliodas the war would have no balance you know this.
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I just gave the full context of the quotes. Actually read what I said and then give a proper response addressing it, thank you.
speedster352 said:
You need to explain why Mael didn’t one shot Meliodas and everyone and get it over with.
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Ignoring the fact that you could say the same thing about tons of characters, The One lasts 1 minute per day.

In the entirety of Seven Deadly Sins, we've only seen a fight with The One 4 times.

Again, actually read what I said and give a proper response.
speedster352 said:
You mean ran away just good to bring it up since it debunks your whole argument of Mael being stronger than Meliodas at noon.
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You mean Mael was unharmed, and his darkness abilities were shown matching Mael's light abilities.

Also, it wasn't noon, and this was 2nd Mark, not Assault Mode.
 
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ByAsura said:
I just gave the full context of the quotes. Actually read what I said and then give a proper response addressing it, thank you.

Ignoring the fact that you could say the same thing about tons of characters, The One lasts 1 minute per day.

In the entirety of Seven Deadly Sins, we've only seen a fight with The One 4 times.

Again, actually read what I said and give a proper response.

You mean Mael was unharmed, and his darkness abilities were shown matching Mael's light abilities.

Also, it wasn't noon, and this was 2nd Mark, not Assault Mode.
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Here Mael is only stronger than Ludoceil near noon so that’s the only way he can be equal to Meliodas
 
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