Ninjago's Tiering Problem

[Minaaaa]

Feats must display the same category. If a character’s Striking Strength feats are below 7-A but he later displays 5-A attack, this would not mean 5-A attack is an outlier due to literally not being the same category. HAX and AP are analyzed separately.

If nothing like the 5-A feat happens again then it would be an outlier. For Example, if a character has a bunch of building level feats then has one feat thats solar system level and no kind of power is shown again in the series, then the feat would be an outlier as it would be vastly above the series' normal level of power

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You can’t really definitively say that the blob on the comet didn’t contain some elements of the Megaweapon; all that we saw was a big golden blob.

And moreover, why would the Megaweapon be the only one destroyed if it’s equal to the GW?

"Only weapons of equal power can DESTROY the Mega Weapon"

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If nothing like the 5-A feat happens again then it would be an outlier. For Example, if a character has a bunch of building level feats then has one feat thats solar system level and no kind of power is shown again in the series, then the feat would be an outlier as it would be vastly above the series' normal level of power

Dang I can debunk half the wiki with that logic

 

[JJSliderman]

If it was not destroyed, then time paradox would have been solved (blob in S3 still had GWs properties such erasing from existence anyone who can’t wield their power)

Ah, yeah I forgot. I was thinking that rendering the MW into a state where it was unusable would also accomplish that, but then it technically would still exist. Yeah I guess the scaling is fine.

Only problem is it’s probably still classed as an outlier.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ah, yeah I forgot. I was thinking that rendering the MW into a state where it was unusable would also accomplish that, but then it technically would still exist. Yeah I guess the scaling is fine.

Good

Only problem is it’s probably still classed as an outlier.

Not really due to it being the only time GWs (altogether) are used for AP and not just HAX, and the feat being explained in the show.

 

[JJSliderman]

Even if it’s the only feat of all 4 GW, the ninja scaling to them have a bunch of feats that are all tier 6 or below.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If nothing like the 5-A feat happens again then it would be an outlier. For Example, if a character has a bunch of building level feats then has one feat thats solar system level and no kind of power is shown again in the series, then the feat would be an outlier as it would be vastly above the series' normal level of power

Bill Cipher, SvtFoE God Tiers, Hazbin Hotel God Tiers, Lord Hater, Black Hat, and many many countless amount of profiles would disagree with you. And again, the reason why this doesn’t work is because GWs had never had any AP feats before altogether, and this feat was addressed MANY times by sever outside sources and in the show itself.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Even if it’s the only feat of all 4 GW, the ninja scaling to them have a bunch of feats that are all tier 6 or below.

Tier 6 for other characters comes via scaling from a single Golden Weapon, though, as far as I recall.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

All of the Ninja should be 9-A except Lloyd and Nya

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

All of the Ninja should be 9-A except Lloyd and Nya

Lloyd should be just higher into 9-A.

 

[JJSliderman]

Tier 6 for other characters comes via scaling from a single Golden Weapon, though, as far as I recall.

Kinda curious, when did Cole hold the Megaweapon?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Even if it’s the only feat of all 4 GW, the ninja scaling to them have a bunch of feats that are all tier 6 or below.

The reason tier 6 exist in Ninjago is for the characters who only scales to a single Golden Weapon,

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Kinda curious, when did Cole hold the Megaweapon?

He did it here

Even if it’s the only feat of all 4 GW, the ninja scaling to them have a bunch of feats that are all tier 6 or below.

Actually, there is a lot of feats (based on the 4-C one kinda) that supports 4-C scaling for the Ninjas:

• The Ninjas tanking a full blast from Lloyd, Kai and Jay (Lloyd scales to the GWs via being stated to hold their power)
• Fought on par with Garmadon for an extanded amount of time (before getting ultimatly defeated) and being stated to be the only Ninja strong enough to fight him off. (Garmadon obviously scale to the GWs as he's strong enough to hold of them togheter and can tank them)
• Kai fighting off Garmadon with all the GWs
• The OG 4 tanking the GWs

 

[JJSliderman]

When I said “more feats” I kind of meant more feats involving generating an energy value near star level that doesn’t involve scaling to already star level things.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

When I said “more feats” I kind of meant more feats involving generating an energy value near star level that doesn’t involve scaling to already star level things.

There are tons of verses who's entire scales are based on a single feat, this would be pretty much be the case for Ninjago here tbh

 

[JJSliderman]

First off that Cole Megaweapon thing should really be on his profile; fairly straightforward.

Second, yeah I’m fine with the scaling, just others might not.

I guess if I didn’t make it clear I’m neutral on the moon tea stuff, agree with removing 2-C Garmadon based on oni horde scaling, and disagree with everything else in the OP.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If nothing like the 5-A feat happens again then it would be an outlier. For Example, if a character has a bunch of building level feats then has one feat thats solar system level and no kind of power is shown again in the series, then the feat would be an outlier as it would be vastly above the series' normal level of power

That's inapiccable on weapons/characters with a very small amount of feats like the GWs. Funny enough, the show itself displays tons of feats ABOVE Star level as well from other characters and weapons

 

[Minaaaa]

Bill Cipher, SvtFoE God Tiers, Hazbin Hotel God Tiers, Lord Hater, Black Hat, and many many countless amount of profiles would disagree with you. And again, the reason why this doesn’t work is because GWs had never had any AP feats before altogether, and this feat was addressed MANY times by sever outside sources and in the show itself.

These are the strongest characters in the series, this is why the outlier page clearly outlines their NORMAL levels of power.

That's inapiccable on weapons/characters with a very small amount of feats like the GWs. Funny enough, the show itself displays tons of feats ABOVE Star level as well from other characters and weapons

They literally dont. Man did you even watch the show? The star feat would be the highest feat in the series from anyone who isnt a god tier of the verse

 

[Lloydblitzed]

They literally dont. Man did you even watch the show? The star feat would be the highest feat in the series from anyone who isnt a god tier of the verse

No, it would be Acronix powers warping Space-Time which is Low 2-C

 

[Minaaaa]

Acronix and Crux just have space-time hax man. They arent even warping the entirety of the ninjago's space-time, which is be necessary for low 2-C

Low 2-C: Universe level+​

Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting, creating, and/or destroying an area of space qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Acronix and Crux just have space-time hax man. They arent even warping the entirety of the ninjago's space-time, which is be necessary for low 2-C

Lol x1

Low 2-C: Universe level+​

Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting, creating, and/or destroying an area of space qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale.

LOL x2

"Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with energy, merging the structure with another one, etc.

 

[Minaaaa]

Lol x1

Again, just hax

"Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with energy, merging the structure with another one, etc.

It clearly says "The entierty of the structure in question". Did you not read it man?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Again, just hax

Mb, forgot to link the other feats.

Kai, by referring the to the Twins, said their power nearly ruined Space and Time (very likely referring as the Universe)
Time twins were stated to be able to destroy the entire Ninjago Universe as well

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Again, just hax

No, warping Space-Time isn't the same thing as warping Space and Time

 

[Minaaaa]

Kai, by referring the to the Twins, said their power nearly ruined Space and Time (very likely referring as the Universe)

Hes referring to the time twins going back in time and changing the events of the past to affect the present... which is what they did in the show

Time twins were stated to be able to destroy the entire Ninjago Universe as well

Nothing mentions the universe of ninjago and again, this was through them changing the events of the past leading to the future changing

 

[Minaaaa]

No, warping Space-Time isn't the same thing as warping Space and Time

It literally is what? If you warp space and time, you warp space-time and vice versa

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Hes referring to the time twins going back in time and changing the events of the past to affect the present... which is what they did in the show

They were activly erasing parts of Ninjago, so no

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It literally is what? If you warp space and time, you warp space-time and vice versa

he was both stated to be able to warp space time and destroy it. That baseline Low 2-C lol

 

[Minaaaa]

They were activly erasing parts of Ninjago, so no

Yeah... through going into the past and changing events there, causing the present to change. They arent directly altering it

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yeah... through going into the past and changing events there, causing the present to change. They arent directly altering it

His green timeblade directly affected the Space-Time tho

 

[Minaaaa]

he was both stated to be able to warp space time and destroy it. That baseline Low 2-C lol

Again, this was through them changing the past, not direct manipulation of space time. If they could directly manipulate space time, then they literally wouldn't need the Iron Doom

 

[Minaaaa]

His green timeblade directly affected the Space-Time tho

The point is, the area of effect for their manipulation isnt Low 2-C. You can warp space time over a city, planet, or hell even as small as tiny portals for attacks, they wouldnt grant Low 2-C as they arent affecting the entire universe

 

[Robespierre_Isidore]

he point is, the area of effect for their manipulation isnt Low 2-C. You can warp space time over a city, planet, or hell even as small as tiny portals for attacks, they wouldnt grant Low 2-C as they arent affecting the entire universe

A wise person said, "You don't have to have the last word to win a debate"

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Again, this was through them changing the past, not direct manipulation of space time. If they could directly manipulation space time, then they literally wouldn't need the Iron Doom

The Iron Doom purpose is also to destroy Ninjago. They only travelled back to prevent the EMs from stopping them back then

None the less, the GWs feat is not an outlier at all and is consistant with the Ninjas scaling FRA

 

[Minaaaa]

The Iron Doom purpose is also to destroy Ninjago. They travelled back to prevent the EMs from stopping them back then

Yeah... through going into the past and changing events there, causing the present to change. They arent directly altering it

 

[Lloydblitzed]

So its Low 2-C Environnemental Destruction which still is a better feat then the GWs

 

[Minaaaa]

Its not Low 2-C at all. They are only warping it over ninjago, not the entire universe

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Its not Low 2-C at all. They are only warping it over ninjago, not the entire universe

Their actions aren't limited to the city, they are affecting Time in the whole Realm, the scans also goes against you

 

[Minaaaa]

They arent affecting time of the whole realm. Again, why would they need the Iron Doom if they can already do this? We see only ninjago changing, not the entire realm

 

[Lloydblitzed]

They arent affecting time of the whole realm.

What are they affecting then? The Time of the planet?