Could you link all the scans evidencing this, preferably uploaded in a batch on somewhere like imgur?
The comics seem to point to the life wipe/physical destruction of the landmass of Ninjago interpretation rather than the interpretation that they're affecting the realm as a universe
This can be contradicted by Omega himself saying the whole Realm itself would be wiped out + the destruction was supposed to happen after the full invasionActual things worthy of primary note.
There seems to be compelling arguments for the down grade in this one instance, Loydblitz and TheOrangeguy you are both taking the context of 'destroy everything' very literal from someone who has repeatedly wanted to rule everything even in the comics there is that page... This comes from the Garmadon comics Garmadon issue #2
Note the line "land of ash"
This implies they'd turn things to ash but less of a destroy the realm in its entireity if we are taking it literally with what Garmadon says as far as destruction such as what Loyd and TheOrange are saying ... that still leaves matter now converted to ash and an entirely untouched 4th dimension of time as there would still be a future in a land of ash according to the implication Garmadon could still rule over it hypothetically. The comics Garmadon take place after the episode Ending season 10 episode 4
Omega said everything will be gone FOREVER, there won't be a future
Wiped out and turned into ash can be synonymous.
They clearly won't limit themselves to just killing citizens
Read what I said about Omega and power being gone
That just means everything that gets destroyed will stay destroyed.
Turning them to ash won't either lol
Omega here is referrencing about the whole Realm tho
And? Like how does this change anything at all? If you turn everything to ash then everything that existed will be irreversibly gone including humans and structures and lands and more.
It would imply he would turn the whole realm to ashes, that's in no way High 3-A
That is. You can't turn time into ash.
Quite the opposite, this is definitely High 3A.
There is no way your using this as an argument
There's no way you're suggesting "a land of ash" Is 4D destruction LMFAO.
Ur arguments are litterally contradicted by Omega's words
Your arguments are contradicted by literally everything. You're through.Ur arguments are litterally contradicted by Omega's words
“I can’t rule the land of ash” is simply a joke and stupid Garmadon’s justification. In the end of Season 10, we are hinted that he actually cared about Lloyd and which is why joined the Tornado of Creation. Also the main TV series must be prioritized in statements than anything else.I've come to distribute one thing from my friend.
Side note;
less of a rule more of a precedent but I get your point.
Actual things worthy of primary note.
There seems to be compelling arguments for the down grade in this one instance, Loydblitz and TheOrangeguy you are both taking the context of 'destroy everything' very literal from someone who has repeatedly wanted to rule everything even in the comics there is that page... This comes from the Garmadon comics Garmadon issue #2
Note the line "land of ash"
This implies they'd turn things to ash but less of a destroy the realm in its entireity if we are taking it literally with what Garmadon says as far as destruction such as what Loyd and TheOrange are saying ... that still leaves matter now converted to ash and an entirely untouched 4th dimension of time as there would still be a future in a land of ash according to the implication Garmadon could still rule over it hypothetically. The comics Garmadon take place after the episode Ending season 10 episode 4
Still a future, not a 2-C feat then involving the space-time
This happens after the Oni's invasion and before the 11th season. The Image Comics line from what I know is canon.
Sorry to grab the one scan from the comics on you.
Turning things to 'ash' given the cloud and Garmadon's own admission.
Before someone says something about the comics...
This is pulled straight from the Ninjago Wiki:
"It is confirmed to be canon by multiple sources, though the TV series does not acknowledge its events. This is likely due to the fact that the comic series was not planned until after Crystalized had already been written." There is an interview from the author as well that goes over parts of canon, in addition to Lego and Skyline Comics saying they were going to do it, the only inconsistency being the helmet aspect and non-mention by the tv series.
Hopefully the comics provide further context in this case? (Also did you get into the calc group recently? If so that's awesome! if it was a while ago I must not have seen it previously but that is still awesome!)
You're seriously a joke statement from Garmadon as your proof and ignoring any other points by OrangeGuy ?
So why would it disappear? Please explain that and maybe then we will have something to work with.
That is reasonable, but how is this relevant to the Onis or AP here? From what I see so far they have that ability to manipulate space-time, but I don't see how it scales to anyone other than themselves
Joke or not it's a statement. If he knew it would all be gone to the point of nothing being there he would've called it "land of nothing" or something along the lines, instead though he calls it a land of ash, which implies it would all be gone because there would be nothing other than ashy remains of the world left.
Also in case anyone doubts Creation includes Time due to the fact that Creation is Dragons’ Power and FSM has it too, also Elemental Powers come from Dragons, and Time is indeed an Elemental Power. Also supported by the fact that FSM controlled of the Elements besides Water and Wind.
Because the Onis and Dragons are equal in AP, which is why neither of them could win the endless war before FSM was born + the Onis are superior to the Twins (and we saw the Oni defeat the Firstbourn, who holds the same powers of Time the Twins have)
1) We have full of context that the Realms are gonna be destroyed if you remember, so this should work;
This is good argument too. Yes, everything indicates that Onis are 2-C right now.
FINALLY someone gives decent scans.
The main argument is if the Onis can destroy the entirety of the Realms or not
whats the argument he can't?
Its in the page 1-2 of the CRT
this is wrong lol. Not all timelines follow R^4 topology. and the field equation for Einstein rosen bridges kinda dunks on the notion destroying a universe is 3-A unless you willing to rewrite how blackholes work of course.
That would also mean that the Uni+ ranking for Kai, Lloyd, Nya, Cole and Zane could prob be upscaled to 2-C
I am arguing using what is accepted by the site. If you've issues with what's accepted, go make a thread. I am not a physics nerd and I cannot argue with what you're saying.
If you can prove it that is. One issue I myself have faced on the site is that having a power source on a tier =/= having that tier. If you have any examples of people wielding that power and then draining that power to its limit then I think you'd have a very solid case for 2-C.
ik. i have what DT said lol. i know how they do the Universal model i've read it twice. i should go talk to DT some time about why he believes what he said about the 4th dimension. idk why he mentioned the name of it and not the actual spatial axis of it but oh well. thats fair ik this place as a weird history of the 3D+1D universe and the 4D space-time container whatever you wanna call it. oh well its just R^4 at the end of the day. Was just curious what you meant
yeah man physics is weird but it is what it is. Talk to DT, he'll either give you an explanation or maybe you'll have something to revise.
He said that the power will be gone so it includes all of the Realms FSM created. Consistent with the fact that all Realms will be destroyed. Also I was always saying that Mergequake closing feat is 2-C feat, but the OP and others always sticked to Uni+ for no reason. Gotta upscale that as well. Also Garmadon being 2-C is consistent with the fact that Oni Power is the only thing that can destroy the Crystal King (NOTE: Golden Power and Dragon Power were not an option due to Lloyd not having the Golden Power anymore, and the Dragon Form was still not explored very well). Also is backed up with the fact that Garmadon can hurt Crystal King, even his Centaur form, consistently, and so can Lloyd with Oni Powers (NOTE: Crystal King is the Overlord who is 2-C, just to make sure). Also as you pointed out DR Ninjas should probably be upgraded to 2-C (which makes 2-C Onis and Garmadon even more consistent), but I’ll create separate CRT on that later as I said. So pretty sure 2-C is safe scaling atp.
Should’t Universal Energy System fix this issue? (It was proven in one of the CRTs)
