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Ninjago DR S2 Update

Well, I personally am only for Infinite Attack Speed for only this specific blast and not any other attacks (which is why I said it is not really combat-applicable in the beginning of the thread).

Something like “FTL (reasoning) with Infinite Attack Speed via stabilization blast (reasoning)” should be imo.
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Are the other points of the CRT okay tho?

The feat was done twice, the first time by the FSM using the same cores, 2nd time being Lloyd. Also, we saw the Mergequake Storm (the same thing Lloyd's wave stopped)) being comparable to SDP Lloyd's attack speed by producing a similar speed feat by covering the Multiverse

Also, one character's Attack Speed can be far above their other speed cats. Im saying it only scale to their Attack Speed:
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god these feats are irking me

Yes, one's attack speed can be higher, but no, the speed of one attack doesn't inherently scale to the speed of all attacks. That is the presumption upon which this scaling rests. The purpose of scaling is proving comparability. One superhero isn't automatically as strong as the other- they must prove it, whether by fighting each other or fighting another person each to establish a chain. This is a simple form of scaling- here, it is the same idea, but with speed. You have some argument for infinite speed for an attack, now you would need to prove that other attacks are as fast as that.

I don't have an opinion on the other points because I haven't read the many blogs associated with them without some easily parsable changelog in the OP.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Well, I personally am only for Infinite Attack Speed for only this specific blast and not any other attacks (which is why I said it is not really combat-applicable in the beginning of the thread).

Something like “FTL (reasoning) with Infinite Attack Speed via stabilization blast (reasoning)” should be imo.
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This would be in line with the letter of the rule as it is now. I will pivot to neutral on the subject currently, as I find the issue of cinematic time presenting things moving very obviously in comparison to the infinite speed thing to be a pretty distinct argument against it being actually infinite speed.

I ought to ask, is each universe infinitely sized? Is that stated somewhere? I'll believe you if you say yes, I'm sure it's in some cosmology post or something to that effect, but it is important to see a source.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
The issue is moreso the fact that other things move on-screen in relation to the thing.

Hypothetical, this wave is moving at X speed but is being outpaced by a racecar. The same context applies, it is said to be encompassing the multiverse or what have you, and it appears to be doing so, but it is most certainly being outpaced by this racecar, which has a known speed (let's say 110 m/s). That would be a direct anti-feat to the notion of infinite speed- it is in fact slower than something with finite speed.

So this appears to be an issue that needs ironed out.
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Fiction ignores such things for the sake of plot. The wave in the hypothetical has infinite speed because it covers the multiverse in a short time. To say otherwise is illogical because it did this. And the car that crosses this wave is the PIS.
 
ByArrow said:
Fiction ignores such things for the sake of plot. The wave in the hypothesis has infinite speed because it covers the multiverse in a short time. To say otherwise is illogical because it did this. And the car that crosses this wave is the PIS.
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Fiction can do as it pleases. I am not so forgiving.

A direct anti-feat within the feat is notable. The wave in this hypothetical (not hypothesis) is finite in speed because it is slower than a racecar. To say otherwise is illogical because it ignores the thing happening on-screen. I gave this hypothetical to other staff since tackling this thread- the extent of the hypothetical varied for them, whether the blast was faster or slower than the car, but all agreed that a racecar outpacing the blast would indeed be too great an anti-feat to ignore.

Now, I had hoped to hear some explanation of perspective, something new to add, but I reckon we're past that point, and I suspect this is just one of many, as you put it, illogical points the wiki has simply absorbed into its mythos. It is the way that it is, and I don't really care too much. Hence my pivot to neutral. But to pretend as though an anti-feat means nothing appears to me dishonest. Or, at least, not taking proper consideration of the query before you.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I ought to ask, is each universe infinitely sized? Is that stated somewhere? I'll believe you if you say yes, I'm sure it's in some cosmology post or something to that effect, but it is important to see a source.
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All Realms are parallel to Ninjago, so they should be infinitely sized too. And inside the infinite Ninjago scan is the source of were it comes from (Way of Departed, which can be considered canon via not contradicting the storyline)

Mr. Bambu said:
I don't have an opinion on the other points because I haven't read the many blogs associated with them without some easily parsable changelog in the OP.
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I have underlined everything new in the blogs to make things easier. Didn't do it for Nokt cuz pretty much everything in the stats section was changed. Everything else is just explained in the OP
 
Could you provide the bit from Way of Departed that has the infinite universe statement?
 
To dig further- is there a place to read that? The linked Twitter post doesn't contain the sourced passage.
 
Oh, I see. I clicked the right side but was below the half-way down mark, and got the third image. I thought there were only two, hence my confusion.

Is this intended to be published as a book or something? It is a bit odd.

Regardless, is there further context on the statement? The text seems to imply the teacher was "lying", or at least that the POV thought they were.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Oh, I see. I clicked the right side but was below the half-way down mark, and got the third image. I thought there were only two, hence my confusion.

Is this intended to be published as a book or something? It is a bit odd.
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Its really like a short story, split in like 24 chapters, which each chapter being a twitter post of Tommy (show creator) of 4 pages or so
 
Minaaaa said:
Looks more like range to me but I'll wait for other's responses
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No it's attack speed (let's remember that the Omnitrix and Alien X got Immeasurable speed thanks to Annihilarrgh's blast creating all of space and all of time and this gave them immeasurable speed
 
REX9097 said:
No it's attack speed (let's remember that the Omnitrix and Alien X got Immeasurable speed thanks to Annihilarrgh's blast creating all of space and all of time and this gave them immeasurable speed
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Not really the same situation here but alright
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Oh, I see. I clicked the right side but was below the half-way down mark, and got the third image. I thought there were only two, hence my confusion.

Is this intended to be published as a book or something? It is a bit odd.

Regardless, is there further context on the statement? The text seems to imply the teacher was "lying", or at least that the POV thought they were.
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Can you give us a reply on the other points yet?
 
The OP doesn't adequately elaborate on all parts. Part 2 for example just says "everything is different"- I'm not going to play Spot the Difference to evaluate a CRT, it's actually directly against the policies of the site to allow that.

Regarding a 10x multiplier for that Shatterspin attack: it would be required of you to display some evidence of it being that strong as well, such as easily defeating previously comparable enemies or performing feats of destruction beyond the status quo (acknowledging that these feats need not necessarily be 10x higher, just higher in general). With just that statement, it is too flimsy.

I'm confused regarding point 3, because some of it seems to have already been applied? Evil Jay is already a key on the profile.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Regarding a 10x multiplier for that Shatterspin attack: it would be required of you to display some evidence of it being that strong as well, such as easily defeating previously comparable enemies or performing feats of destruction beyond the status quo (acknowledging that these feats need not necessarily be 10x higher, just higher in general). With just that statement, it is too flimsy.
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Cinder appears to be weaker than Kai and the rest of the Ninja but after using Shatterspin Cinder becomes stronger than all of them combined.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
The OP doesn't adequately elaborate on all parts. Part 2 for example just says "everything is different"- I'm not going to play Spot the Difference to evaluate a CRT, it's actually directly against the policies of the site to allow that.
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Litterally everything below the Power and Stats section is different from the old profile except Nokt's name, gender and classification, there's no need to play "spot the difference" because litterally every feat are new
Mr. Bambu said:
Regarding a 10x multiplier for that Shatterspin attack: it would be required of you to display some evidence of it being that strong as well, such as easily defeating previously comparable enemies or performing feats of destruction beyond the status quo (acknowledging that these feats need not necessarily be 10x higher, just higher in general). With just that statement, it is too flimsy.
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Like Rex showed earlier, Cinder with Shatterspin easily demolished the Ninjas, overpowered their Spinjitzu (which is a Speed + AP amp as explained in the Spinjitzu page) and even broke Wyldfyre's leg. Meanwhile he couldn't perform anything like that in base and got one shotted by a Base DR Kai without Spinjitzu. Ras, who studied the origins of Shatterspin, also stated its a highly advanced form of Spinjitzu
Mr. Bambu said:
I'm confused regarding point 3, because some of it seems to have already been applied? Evil Jay is already a key on the profile.
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CRT was applied since we got 2 staff agreement (the minimum according to rules). Only infinite speed feat wasn't due to you and glassman being neutral. Basically Jay scale to Nya due to being able to harm her
 
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CRT was applied since we got 2 staff agreement (the minimum according to rules). Only infinite speed feat wasn't due to you and glassman being neutral. Basically Jay scale to Nya due to being able to harm her
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Why the hell are people asking me to wade through horrible formatting to give opinions on things if the "looks alright" squad already accepted it and it is applied
 
Well no, but why am I being pushed to speak on something that's already been rushed through lol, it doesn't make sense

If that's all, that's all.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
The OP doesn't adequately elaborate on all parts. Part 2 for example just says "everything is different"- I'm not going to play Spot the Difference to evaluate a CRT, it's actually directly against the policies of the site to allow that.
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Lloydblitzed said:
Litterally everything below the Power and Stats section is different from the old profile except Nokt's name, gender and classification, there's no need to play "spot the difference" because litterally every feat are new
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Just for future reference, I didn't know this myself until Catz made a Staff Discussion about it, but there is a rule when it comes to updating profiles, with new abilities, etc. You have to make a bullet point of everything new being added.

Anyway, since the other stuff has already been covered I'll just focus on the infinite speed. If the blast/attack does cover the Multiverse and Infinite Realms like you said I see no issues with it. But it doesn't seem like something they casually do/scale to. That attack, in particular, seems to have infinite speed, but that doesn't mean all their attacks would.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Anyway, since the other stuff has already been covered I'll just focus on the infinite speed. If the blast/attack does cover the Multiverse and Infinite Realms like you said I see no issues with it. But it doesn't seem like something they casually do/scale to. That attack, in particular, seems to have infinite speed, but that doesn't mean all their attacks would.
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Something like “FTL (reasoning) with Infinite Attack Speed via stabilization blast (reasoning)” should be imo.
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Are you fine with my suggestion on how it should look on the profiles?
 
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