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Ninjago Garmadon Downgrade

Leaving nothing could also mean destroying the matter, this is an incredibly vague statement
So the Onis are seriously gonna destroy the space and let the Realms like that? The other scans litterally supports absolute destruction and Garmadon says EVERYTHING WILL BE GONE. Nothing will be left of the realms, no planets, no human, no space, no time, nothing
 
So the Onis are seriously gonna destroy the space and let the Realms like that? The other scans litterally supports absolute destruction and Garmadon says EVERYTHING WILL BE GONE. Nothing will be left of the realms, no planets, no human, no space, no time, nothing
... or this statement was used in metaphorical sense which means that everything will be gone in terms of Ninjago and other Realms populations. And considering that we saw in the show, this is the most likely variant.
 
So the Onis are seriously gonna destroy the space and let the Realms like that? The other scans litterally supports absolute destruction and Garmadon says EVERYTHING WILL BE GONE. Nothing will be left of the realms, no planets, no human, no space, no time, nothing
Despite the fact that Garmadon could just be exaggerating (which he most likely was since nothing, not even the other realms were destroyed), there's literally no evidence that physical destruction or spatial destruction is taking place, other than out of context "destroy the realms" statement
 
Despite the fact that Garmadon could just be exaggerating (which he most likely was since nothing, not even the other realms were destroyed), there's literally no evidence that physical destruction or spatial destruction is taking place, other than out of context "destroy the realms" statement
Prove he was exagerrating. Why would he be exagerrating if he cares more about his own survival. He clearly knew he could survive the Oni Cloud, so why would he fear their destruction or state that everything would be gone and why would he care about anyone else but himself😭? He clearly implies the entire realm is getting destroyed
 
Prove he was exagerrating. Why would he be exagerrating if he cares more about his own survival. He clearly knew he could survive the Oni Cloud, so why would he fear their destruction or state that everything would be gone and why would he care about anyone else but himself😭? He clearly implies the entire realm is getting destroyed
Hes exaggerating because no actual destruction took place. Everything in ninjago city wasnt destroyed nor everything in the other realms. He fears their "destruction" because the oni are way more powerful than him, notably with the omega
 
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also the show and trailer literally shows them covering the realms in their cloud


Doesn’t state that Cloud is what destroys everything AT ALL
 
Hes exaggerating because no actual destruction took place. Everything in ninjago city wasnt destroyed nor everything in the other realms. He fears their "destruction" because the oni are way more powerful than him, notably with the omega
Yes, because as I said, they were getting rid of the powerful entities that could interfere with their plans. No-one ever stated that Cloud is how they destroy Realms. Via that logic Bill must be downgraded to Town, because he never actually shows destruction of Universe, Multiverse, or anything, so all the statements stating he can do that are just hyperboles. But it does NOT work like that. His feat there is natural and pure, and he is trying to get rid of his love for Lloyd in order to stop Onis. You also have 0 proofs that say that Cloud is how they are supposed to destroy the Realms, once again.
 
Its simple reasoning given the evidence. If they arent using thr cloud as you say, then how are they "destroying the realms"
By their power - Destruction. If you mean the name of technique — unknown. We also don’t know how the technique of destroying the Balance is called, or the technique of creating the Realms.
The proof that Cloud is not how they destroy the Realms is because the city is still there btw, they only used the Cloud in order to get rid of powerful beings.
 
By their power - Destruction. If you mean the name of technique — unknown. We also don’t know how the technique of destroying the Balance is called, or the technique of creating the Realms.
The proof that Cloud is not how they destroy the Realms is because the city is still there btw, they only used the Cloud in order to get rid of powerful beings.
Ok, HOW is their power destroying the realms? Through what method are thsy using
 
By using Destruction? Nobody specified it was the Cloud that destroys the Realms🤷‍♂️
Ok, how are they using their destruction to destroy the realms? What are they doing with their power to destroy it?
 
What are they doing with their power to destroy it?
They are blowing up the Realm? How does the method even matter? As Orange said, we don't know what are the methods to destroy the Balance, so that means Overlord can't do it?
Nothing shows that they are specifically gonna destroy them with the Cloud of Destruction, litteraly 6 scans are against the whole point of the CRT and tells us the Oni are going to end everything, and by adding context for Garmadon words, it makes clear sense that the Onis will evaporate the whole Realm
 
They are blowing up the Realm? How does it even matter?
Blowing the realm up HOW? also its stated literally no where that they are blowing the realms up and explosions can also be tier 3 and not tier 2 but thats besides the point the method of destruction matter since it determines the tier of the feat
 
Blowing the realm up HOW? also its stated literally no where that they are blowing the realms up and explosions can also be tier 3 and not tier 2 but thats besides the point the method of destruction matter since it determines the tier of the feat
All evidence implies the absolute destruction of the realm, not the "death of all life inside it". And u can't counter what Garmadon said because he clearly isn't exagerrating anything😭 Even the book you use is against you
 
... or this statement was used in metaphorical sense which means that everything will be gone in terms of Ninjago and other Realms populations. And considering that we saw in the show, this is the most likely variant.
If it was only about "the population", Garmadon would not even be clearly worried💀 Buddy, he knows he can survive the Cloud, why would he fear about them destroying everything and leaving absolulty nothing else behind?
 
All evidence implies the absolute destruction of the realm, not the "death of all life inside it". And u can't counter what Garmadon said because he clearly isn't exagerrating anything😭 Even the book you use is against you
None of the evidence implies physical destruction, ur isolating the statements to try and stretch them to the highest level
  1. The Oni's destruction isn't physical. As we see Ninjago City, Pixal's mech, Cole's car, the other realms, and even the people still standing and aren't destroyed after being exposed to their cloud. You saying "They do it after they take over the realms" is false and literal headcanon because the show nor anything else support this, along with the Realm of Oni and Dragon still being their after they took it over. Also given what The Omega says to Garmadon (The Omega: Soon, there will be nothing, but Destruction. You. You are Oni. Why have you not taken this realm?), literally implies no physical destruction at all, rather The Oni simply taking over the realms and filling them with their cloud.
  2. Garmadon's statement. His statement is most likely, given what is shown the literal next episode after he says this and what he says in March of the Oni (Garmadon: If anyone is going to destroy Ninjago, it'll be me, not some Oni usurper with a walking stick.), him wanting his survival was him not fearing the cloud, but fearing The Oni themselves given how strong they are and also wanting to be the sole ruler of Ninjago.
 
Blowing the realm up HOW? also its stated literally no where that they are blowing the realms up and explosions can also be tier 3 and not tier 2 but thats besides the point the method of destruction matter since it determines the tier of the feat
It is your burden of proof to show that Onis destroy it via the Cloud. If you don’t have it, Garmadon remains at 2-C. That’s it.
The Cloud of Destruction was mostly used for Combat and invasion, and never has been used for destruction. There are no statements that prove they do destroy the Realms. The fact that we don’t know the “name” of technique that destroys the Realms doesn’t refute they do actually destroy them. Meanwhile we have multiple statements that Onis WILL destroy the Realms, but you and Underlord either completely ignore or strawman them.
 
None of the evidence implies physical destruction, ur isolating the statements to try and stretch them to the highest level
  1. The Oni's destruction isn't physical. As we see Ninjago City, Pixal's mech, Cole's car, the other realms, and even the people still standing and aren't destroyed after being exposed to their cloud. You saying "They do it after they take over the realms" is false and literal headcanon because the show nor anything else support this, along with the Realm of Oni and Dragon still being their after they took it over. Also given what The Omega says to Garmadon (The Omega: Soon, there will be nothing, but Destruction. You. You are Oni. Why have you not taken this realm?), literally implies no physical destruction at all, rather The Oni simply taking over the realms and filling them with their cloud.
  2. Garmadon's statement. His statement is most likely, given what is shown the literal next episode after he says this and what he says in March of the Oni (Garmadon: If anyone is going to destroy Ninjago, it'll be me, not some Oni usurper with a walking stick.), him wanting his survival was him not fearing the cloud, but fearing The Oni themselves given how strong they are and also wanting to be the sole ruler of Ninjago.
The first one ACTUALLY supports our point. They don’t show physical destruction via the Cloud, so Cloud is not how they destroy it. Also “SOON, there will be nothing but Destruction” LITERALLY IMPLIES that at this point Ninjago Realm is NOT supposed to be destroyed at all, it must happen SOON.
Second point is just reference to good ol’ Garmadon’s line he said in OG Seasons. He answers to Omega’s question “yo you are Oni why won’t you help us” with “if anything it is gonna be ME who destroys it, not sum goofy black Onis with sticks”, and that’s it. He clearly cares only about his survival which is emphasized in his dynamics with Lloyd and Vinny (that journalist, name may be wrong).
 
... or this statement was used in metaphorical sense which means that everything will be gone in terms of Ninjago and other Realms populations. And considering that we saw in the show, this is the most likely variant.
It isn’t a hyperbole seeing Garmadon’s genuine fear, and being consistently repeated by the sources. This is literally strawmanning…
 
Ok, HOW is their power destroying the realms? Through what method are thsy using
What technique did FSM use to create the Realms? What technique Overlord was going to use to destroy the Balance? There are tons of example like this, and the point is not knowing the name of technique of how they do the feat ≠ feat does not exist
 
Blowing the realm up HOW? also its stated literally no where that they are blowing the realms up and explosions can also be tier 3 and not tier 2 but thats besides the point the method of destruction matter since it determines the tier of the feat
“Blowing up the Realms” is just an example… and “how” kills me. How does Kai summon fire? Does he think about it and fire simply is summoned to his head? Or does he change the temperature around his hand and creates fire? Do his hands move so fast that the fire is created? This literally does NOT matter, he still gets Fire Manipulation. Same with Onis: regardless of us not knowing HOW exactly they were gonna do it, they still would perform 2-C feat.
 
It is your burden of proof to show that Onis destroy it via the Cloud. If you don’t have it, Garmadon remains at 2-C. That’s it.
The Cloud of Destruction was mostly used for Combat and invasion, and never has been used for destruction. There are no statements that prove they do destroy the Realms. The fact that we don’t know the “name” of technique that destroys the Realms doesn’t refute they do actually destroy them. Meanwhile we have multiple statements that Onis WILL destroy the Realms, but you and Underlord either completely ignore or strawman them.
The Oni are "destroying" the realms via their cloud because its simple logic and reasoning given the evidence. Burden of Proof falls on YOU to prove their cloud isnt the way theyre doing it. Also, i never argued the cloud destroys the realms, the onis cloud, by definition fits with High 3-A and NOT 2-C

High 3-A: High Universe level​

Characters or objects that demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space.
Second point is just reference to good ol’ Garmadon’s line he said in OG Seasons. He answers to Omega’s question “yo you are Oni why won’t you help us” with “if anything it is gonna be ME who destroys it, not sum goofy black Onis with sticks”, and that’s it. He clearly cares only about his survival which is emphasized in his dynamics with Lloyd and Vinny (that journalist, name may be wrong).
Yes, he cares for his own survival, which he why he wants the oni gone because they wouldve killed him. Oni beings arent invincible, they can be killed those stronger than them/other oni like what he did with Mystake
 
What technique did FSM use to create the Realms? What technique Overlord was going to use to destroy the Balance? There are tons of example like this, and the point is not knowing the name of technique of how they do the feat ≠ feat does not exist
the fsm feat has its own problems but this isnt the thread for it
 
“Blowing up the Realms” is just an example… and “how” kills me. How does Kai summon fire? Does he think about it and fire simply is summoned to his head? Or does he change the temperature around his hand and creates fire? Do his hands move so fast that the fire is created? This literally does NOT matter, he still gets Fire Manipulation. Same with Onis: regardless of us not knowing HOW exactly they were gonna do it, they still would perform 2-C feat.
Dude what? You literally are trying to argue that The Oni are destroying the realms through unknown means. Kai having fire is NOT the same thing as the oni destroying an entire universe as what youre claming, one is a power, one is a feat. Just saying "theyre destroying the world" without any context on HOW theyre doing it makes the feat unquantifiable. For example; statements of "destroying the world" are useless without context and reasoning applied. Are they destroying it through their collapse of society? are they destroying it via a surface wipe? are they actually destroying the planet? Another example is using a higher tier feat of a character "destroying the universe"; are they doing it through taking control and ruling over the planets of the universe? are they doing it through an omnidirectional explosion? are they doing it by destroying its entire space-time? See how these statement of "Destroying X" dont meant anything and are unquantifiable when proper context isnt appllied? Same thing applies to The Oni, you keep sayng they can destroy the realms, but never gave an explanation on HOW they are allegedly doing it.
 
Dude what? You literally are trying to argue that The Oni are destroying the realms through unknown means. Kai having fire is NOT the same thing as the oni destroying an entire universe as what youre claming, one is a power, one is a feat. Just saying "theyre destroying the world" without any context on HOW theyre doing it makes the feat unquantifiable. For example; statements of "destroying the world" are useless without context and reasoning applied. Are they destroying it through their collapse of society? are they destroying it via a surface wipe? are they actually destroying the planet? Another example is using a higher tier feat of a character "destroying the universe"; are they doing it through taking control and ruling over the planets of the universe? are they doing it through an omnidirectional explosion? are they doing it by destroying its entire space-time? See how these statement of "Destroying X" dont meant anything and are unquantifiable when proper context isnt appllied? Same thing applies to The Oni, you keep sayng they can destroy the realms, but never gave an explanation on HOW they are allegedly doing it.
”destroying the world” is generally unquantifiable feat only due to “world” being a vague thing. “Realm” is already proven to be 4D structure, so 15 Realms must be Low Multiverse.
Also HOW do you get 2-C?

2-C: Low Multiverse level

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents.

Can Onis destroy small multiverses which contain more than 2 but less than 1000 separate space-time continuums? Yes, we already proved. The way how they do it doesn’t matter unless it is a Cloud of Destruction which you didn’t prove to be what destroys the Realms; in fact, you only supported that it’s not.

Your logic is just stupid and ignorant.
 
It actually does matter. If they go into one universe and destroy it and then into another and destroy it then that is just High 3-A or Low 2-C depending on whether they destroy the whole timeline or not.
For 2-C you need to prove that they destroyed those universes either at the same time or with one attack.

Can you quote my message and link ME the evidence?
 
The Oni are "destroying" the realms via their cloud because its simple logic and reasoning given the evidence. Burden of Proof falls on YOU to prove their cloud isnt the way theyre doing it. Also, i never argued the cloud destroys the realms, the onis cloud, by definition fits with High 3-A and NOT 2-C


Yes, he cares for his own survival, which he why he wants the oni gone because they wouldve killed him. Oni beings arent invincible, they can be killed those stronger than them/other oni like what he did with Mystake
You gave literally 0 statements of Cloud being the way they destroy the Multiverse. I have evidence of Clouds not being it: they do not destroy buildings, people, etc.; they are made for combat and occupation, not destruction. If you don’t argue that Cloud is how they destroy the Realms then you are basically done and Onis are still 2-C and Garmadon too (although his Oni form must be 2-C via hurting Overlord regardless)

They wouldn’t if he would just shape-shift and hide somewhere… simple logic…
 
It actually does matter. If they go into one universe and destroy it and then into another and destroy it then that is just High 3-A or Low 2-C depending on whether they destroy the whole timeline or not.
For 2-C you need to prove that they destroyed those universes either at the same time or with one attack.

Can you quote my message and link ME the evidence?
They are stated to destroy all the Realms multiple times. Via your logic, “what if” they destroy it by destroying an atom per second so it eventually destroys everything after many years? You can come up with many “what if”s, but it is still your burden of proof
 
They are stated to destroy all the Realms multiple times. Via your logic, “what if” they destroy it by destroying an atom per second so it eventually destroys everything after many years? You can come up with many “what if”s, but it is still your burden of proof
Bullcrap. Prove to me that they can destroy it with one attack and without going into those universes and without using portals. If you can't then there's no evidence of a 2-C feat.
 
”destroying the world” is generally unquantifiable feat only due to “world” being a vague thing. “Realm” is already proven to be 4D structure, so 15 Realms must be Low Multiverse.
Also HOW do you get 2-C?
This still means absolutely nothing without context, as i have kept asking and still have not gotten a solid answer, HOW ARE THEY DESTROYING THE REALMS, You still have not gave an answer to this. You are literally saying
-"The oni destroy the realms!!"
-ok how are they doing it
-"Theyre destroying it"
-ok...how?
-"..."
You gave literally 0 statements of Cloud being the way they destroy the Multiverse. I have evidence of Clouds not being it:
This is literally false considering the cloud is literally the ONLY thing theyve been shown to do in the show. You keep saying it they do it without it but have not shown a SINGLE piece of evidence suggesting otherwise. Screaming 'theyre doing it through their power' is not only does it lead right back 'how are they doing it' but also forgets that THE CLOUD IS LITERALLY THEIR POWER.
 
This still means absolutely nothing without context, as i have kept asking and still have not gotten a solid answer, HOW ARE THEY DESTROYING THE REALMS, You still have not gave an answer to this. You are literally saying
-"The oni destroy the realms!!"
-ok how are they doing it
-"Theyre destroying it"
-ok...how?
-"..."

This is literally false considering the cloud is literally the ONLY thing theyve been shown to do in the show. You keep saying it they do it without it but have not shown a SINGLE piece of evidence suggesting otherwise. Screaming 'theyre doing it through their power' is not only does it lead right back 'how are they doing it' but also forgets that THE CLOUD IS LITERALLY THEIR POWER.
It does NOT matter how, it WILL be 2-C feat unless you can prove otherwise

No? They also showed Summoning, Teleportation, Cross-Dimensional Traveling, Portal Creation, Resistance to Pertrification, Shapeshifting. There is NOTHING that supports that Cloud is what destroys the Realms, neither any of mentioned above abilities do. It is just via their power - Destruction, just like Overlord would destroy the Balance via his power - Darkness, just like FSM created the Realms via his power - Golden Power. Cloud is as much of a power as Shapeshifting is. Both are not capable of destroying anything and needed for the other means, lol.
 
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