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Ninjago Conceptual Manipulation
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When are we gonna reach a conclusion
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I think OP is fine, except AE part...
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What part of AE do u disagree on?
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There is 2 pages, I guess I don't need to explain why embodiment is not enough for AE.
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He is not just an embodiment, he is also source of it and literally is all of evil. That’s enough for type 1 AE I’m pretty sure.
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You missed the second part about a character needing to regenerate/immortal due to the abstract aspect they embody.
The text you quoted also emphasizes that.
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He litterally has Immortality based on this
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If that, it could be fine.
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One of his immortalities based on that*
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Type 2 makes sense to me, and AE Type 2. I'm not seeing AE Type 1.
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To answer what you previously said, the concepts aren't dependant on the people, but the people are dependant on the concepts for the Balance (and their world's) existance.
Also, you agree on AE for everyone noted, or just Overlord and FSM?
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I wasn't saying they were dependant, I said they were affected.
Overlord & Preeminent.
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They are, but by evil/good only respectively, this is well explained by Wu here by saying how evil/conflict/anger fuels Overlord
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The point of Type 1 is that it is not connected to the reality in which it appears, at all. No matter how much good, evil, balance, destruction, hatred, or whatever is inside the Universe should cause any kind of effect on the Type 1 Concept of Evil.
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Ah
Wouldn't Overlord's true form residing beyond the mortal plane (and the Universe as well) qualify tho?
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What do you mean?
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Overlord's spirit/real form exist beyond the mortal plane where the Realms are located, which is also the reason why killing him doesn't destroy him. Im asking if living beyond the same plane as the Multiverse makes him independent
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This is Immortality Type 9, which is considered pretty much hand in hand with Abstract Existence Type 2.
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The Overlord has an action of Abstract Existence, but it has to become at the concept level, because Light and Darkness are concepts.
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Being the source of something doesn't make you abstract. From what I'm seeing, Abstract Type 2 is making a lot more sense.
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He is stated to be the evil itself by WoG and other piece of media multiple times. Plus, the Overlord exists as dark part of the Balance which is concept
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I'm not knowledgable of Ninjago. But if he was born, after the world was created, then he can't be a Type 1 Concept.
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He always existed
Overlord_Darkness
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He is stated to always existed and his plan to make Darkness rule again was in developing since the beginning of time\multiverse.
My master plan has been in the works since the beginning of time. Every piece moves in perfect harmony, like the gears of the clock, slowly shifting the balance of power back to darkness. Every piece, that is, but you! |
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Alright then, I have no issues with him having AE Type 1. But I still don't see Evil as a Type 1 Concept because of what I've mentioned before.
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From my perspective, it's not concept of Evil is affected. It seems more like power boost (?) and part of his Immo Type 8 ability to recreate physical forms. Only time I can say that Overlord as an entity\force was affected is Golden Power attacks to him from USM when he destroyed Overlord inside Garmadon's body.
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However, Balance seems like Type 2 concept and I cannot imagine how Type 1 concept of Evil is part of Type 2 concept.
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So you agree with Concept Type 1 for Balance? As Balance is existed before there 16 realms.
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Can Fsm at all qualify for concept manp or abstract he is like the opposite of Overlord
Wait, random but Tommy stated FSM left his vessel in Ninjago and Fsm lives in a plane beyond the merge can this be type 9 immortality?,
Wait, random but Tommy stated FSM left his vessel in Ninjago and Fsm lives in a plane beyond the merge can this be type 9 immortality?,
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Yeah, he does throught the Balance
Its questionable
We have that listed as Type 7 as of rn because unlike Overlord, his true self didn't initially live beyond the Mortal Plane
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I feel like narratively with all the evil vs good and opposite of one other stuff in the show, and the fact it heavily implied FSM didn't die, plus Fsm/USm or any golden thing is stated to bet he concept of good or light of it the opposite happens to Overlord being the concept of evil. Both of there powers control the balance, so I feel like they should both be ae and have some type of concept manp
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Here The Overlord stated that he would destroy Balance itself, this means The Overlord can affect the actual concepts
Clouse with The Overlord's powers able to destroy the multiverse due to affect Balance/the actual concepts (Clouse never used Corruption but directly affected Balance), this has been confirmed by the fact that it was mentioned that Balance was restored, which led to the Universe being restored.
Wu using Golden power, are able to restore the Balance and it literally stated that he returned Balance which led to the Universe being restored.
In Magazine, stated that USM Lloyd was able to restore Balance itself, this means that Balance itself are affected by USM Lloyd
I've added this too now:
Omega with The Oni Army
Overlord_Darkness
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I think that Omega stuff should wait a bit. Let's focus now on OP
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