It could depending on context. I am mainly unsure about the cores simply because they are artifacts created using the power of the dragons and FSM, but artifacts and machines often surpass their creators in power and the power wouldn't divide equally. But I do think it could likely be baseline 2-C. Does anyone scale to the dragon cores? Like were their powers absorbed, used, drained ect. in the series?
First of all, Lloyd has absorbed and used them from what I know. Also base DR Lloyd and Kai closed the Mergequakes who are the result of two Realms trying to share the same space to the point they will eventually destroy each other, so closing Mergequake -> preventing the fusion -> affecting both Realms -> baseline 2-C, and other Ninjas should scale to them too, but that’s for another CRT, let’s just deal with this one and close it.
Well this would be ideal to deal with here since currently we're nerfing the 2-C rating.
I can see where you are coming from, but also check my reply about Oni Power being capable to destroy Crystal King (this does not mean that Onis > Overlord since Crystal King is his most weak form of the main three (by main three I mean Dragon/Ancient Form, Crystal King, and Golden Master), and also being capable to destroy does not mean they automatically win because Overlord is capable of destroying them too). And I’m pretty sure it’s a good time to call sum mods to see what they think.
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The FSM created the other realms from scratch right? I remember there being contention because Ninjago as a realm already existed with its own space-time and ocean before FSM migrated over there and created the landmass of Ninjago but if the other realms were entirely new then Tier 2 checks out. The clip of the time twins on its own doesn't really imply they can destroy space-time, it's just Wu saying time is an essential aspect of the universe
Here is the issue. I would've agreed FSM's creation to be 2-C, but it just isn't. Why? Because we're shown how dragons create realms and they create them one at a time (refer to the video that explains the balance between dragons and oni). I am pretty sure even Zen'o from dragon ball used to scale to 12 universes or sth because he deleted all of them at a time instead of the whole 18 at one point before it was stated that he can. Basically, if there's a statement that he created all the realms at the same time you'd be good, but if you don't then it is just Low 2-C.
I think it was debunked in another CRT, and we have two possible explanations (not to upscale anyone but just for the overall story to even make sense):
Crystal King scales to 2-C due to stating that he can destroy the Balance which is physically connected to all the Realms as stated by Khadjikhan (I don’t have the scans but pretty sure they are either on the Overlord’s page OR in one of the CRT’s). Also if you disagree with his scaling I think you’d need a separate CRT of that.
Could you link the discussion?I think it was debunked in another CRT, and we have two possible explanations (not to upscale anyone but just for the overall story to even make sense):
1) FSM created Ninjago and other Realms and probably already made the life in Ninjago, but didn’t realize himself as he was very young and likely very unskilled. After the defeat of Wojira, he created the Landmass of Ninjago;
2) Merlopians are liars
Yeah, since the power of destruction the Oni hold is supposed to the equal opposition to the power of creation capable of creating realms held by the Dragons so the Oni's destruction of Ninjago just being some cloud coverage doesn't really make sense. Garmadon scaling to Crystal King is fine.
1. Omega is speaking about the fact that FSM’s power “will be gone”, which includes all the Realms he created, as well as Time element. Also I’d frankly remind you that you were the one to oppose the downgrade of FSM to Continental Level. If you want to downgrade both Overlord and FSM, create CRT for them, then create CRT for Onis and Garmadon, lol. Also there is nothing hinting that Wu is aware of Source Dragons, nor there is evidence of Dragons Rising being planned at the time of Crystalized production. You need a direct statement that Elements originate from Source Dragons;
This, I believe.
they ain't that's the issue. It literally states he would plunge the 17 realms into darkness and make them void but there's no scans.
Oni Lloyd and Garmadon definitely hurt Crystal King. If they didn't scale he wouldn't even be flinching.
Sure, but that’s up for another CRT
Shouldn’t destruction of Balance already imply the destruction of all Realms? But again, that’s for another CRT. For now as you agree that we can scale Oni Lloyd and Garmadon to Crystal King, you do agree with 2-C, right?
if y'all can give the scans for everything Crystal King does instead of just stating it then yes I'd agree with 2-C for those who scale to that specifically.
The only issue here is if the realms had pre-existing space-times before we're told they were created by the FSM. The FSM being superior to the Oni isn't an issue because of the nature of Tier 2, one 2-C character can have an entire scaling chain of one-shots and ridiculously high multipliers above another 2-C character even if their potency is still the same number of space-time continuums.
Still doesn’t refute anything due to FSM being stated to have all Elemental Powers besides Wind and Water, so it is still part of his power.
Also for this, the merlopians, islanders, and wojira were already there when the FSM came there and its weird to say that the Merlopians lied considering they were literally there
gotta say man, that ain't 2-C. This is a chain reaction feat that happens specificall because of how the ninjago realms are made. Affecting 1 unvierse and causing the others to collapse as a chain reaction isn't multiverse level AP the same way this guy isn't building level
only if its done at the same time chief, which needs evidence.
The chain reaction is only Nya destroying the Cursed Realm that indirectly causes to destroy the Djinjago via the Balance. The balance interconnects all of the Realms, so its destruction would be a direct 2-C unlike Nya.
From the visualization in DR it is clear that they are created all at once.
Never said that it wasnt, im saying that the as the series previously implied that the FSM created the realm of ninjago, only to show that he only created the land, we need more evidence of him creating the actual physical space-time of the realms and not just the land inside of those realms
well...I guess that should suffice hopefully.
Precisely my point as well.
That's stupendous!! Congratulations on the promotion Sun! You love to see it.P.S. I got promoted today
If I take atoms on a planet and fundamentally alter them via forced radioactive decay and turned plutonium to lead they would be gone from the state they had previously been someone's "forever", or if I eat a banana those atoms will be chemically altered and won't have a future anymore either as they are broken down into yummy nutrients for my body to type this out to you even then what is forever? A lifetime of a person? A planet? a universe/realm? ...
Garmadon saw their plan... he knows the outcome is ash under your own framework.
proving a negative, okay: If the realms can't be physically destroyed by the Oni then the Oni were never a threat to begin with.
*her argument
so how do the Oni survive given this Word of God statement?
so, if Time can harm the Oni, how do they intend to survive after they 'destroy everything' as you and Lloydblitzed keep mentioning?
Proof that contextually it is a joke is non-existent, the hat scene from Garmadon #2 is a joke and metaphor to let down the helmet of conquest and become a traveler.
If the Tornado of Creation has a time aspect to it how would the Oni individually scale to 4-D and survive the realm's entire destruction given they are now part of that space-time?
It is considered canon this means both statements have weight, saying TV >> comics must be prioritized is an overreach by your hand only, with the only contradiction to the Garmadon comics being the situation over his helmet, again non-existent evidence of it being a joke. This is not some tsundere thing of 'I didn't kill you all cause I want living subjects to rule over -baka' he admits it is because of his own pride to want to rule over Ninjago not a land of ash.
Not inherently depending on the nature of the cores and how they came to be, how they are used etc... After all humans can use axes to chop trees but that doesn't mean we scale to the power of the axe's delivery of the chop similar issues occur in UES stuff.
So, it doesn't scale to this Garmadon feat? Maaaaaaaan, I was hoping for something more fun, I guess.
Is that for all Oni individually or the use of the cloud / as an invasion force though? Plus, we still have the issue of how they accomplish the 2-C or Low 2-C rating, Garmadon knowing the plans then saying reduced to ash, and Minaaaa's point about the characters.
So we shouldn't use the Oni Army stuff and use Crystal King scaling as sort of substitution? I'm fine with that, helps it make more sense.
Yeah, I am with Arceus on the statements.
So, if we verify a method of 2-C via Crystal King should we just swap out the reasoning about the Oni given how clunky it seems? Or should we drop the Oni Army to uni, add a Crystal King part as 2-C or another path entirely? (I am trying to understand our options here)
Bleach Quincy tipping the balance moment :^)
In the DR, it says he created the REALM of Ninjago, and a FEW OTHER REALMS. Omega also questions “is this a REALM of the First Spinjitzu Master”, not landmass or anything. Mistake also says “he abandoned this world and created the new one”. He could’ve simply created the land after the creation of the Realms, that’s it.
So you are good with 2-C scaling rn?
For those who scale to FSM and those who scale to Dragoncores.
Overlord should still be equal to FSM, so he must be 2-C too, hence Garmadon.
I agree with the part of the CRT that says that Oni can destroy all realms by themselves. I do think the characters are still 2-C for scaling to FSM and Dragoncores.
We literally see that objects and people were already in already in the realm before he got there so they arent meaning the literal creation of the realm's space-time. they are meaning that the FSM created the landmasses and things on those lands and since he created that land its called his, youd be implying he created wojira and couldnt defeat her, but also created Nyad with the power to do it.
I like to yap so fair enough, I was more just thinking & responding to justifications and apparent contradictions, which is where I like to get into the weeds. If you don't feel like it, you don't have to. I just felt like it was wonky with a lot of it you know and just wanted to express the particulars I noticed.
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