The comics seem to point to the life wipe/physical destruction of the landmass of Ninjago interpretation rather than the interpretation that they're affecting the realm as a universe
Precisely my point as well.
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Omega said everything will be gone FOREVER, there won't be a future
If I take atoms on a planet and fundamentally alter them via forced radioactive decay and turned plutonium to lead they would be gone from the state they had previously been someone's "forever", or if I eat a banana those atoms will be chemically altered and won't have a future anymore either as they are broken down into yummy nutrients for my body to type this out to you even then what is forever? A lifetime of a person? A planet? a universe/realm? ...
There needs to be evidence of the time aspect of the realm being affected by the Oni involving this feat just saying, "they are going to destroy everything" and "it'll be gone forever" does not equate to "the whole of the space-time was destroyed thus there won't be a future.
We are asking the scope of everything being destroyed forever and Garmadon even mentions there would still be a land of ash that he wouldn't want to rule. A land of ash implies there are leftovers of the space-time (realm) for him to rule ergo not a 4D feat, which is VERY cut and dry.
Unless you are saying Garmadon would have ruled over a void which would be contradictory to what Garmadon even says in the comic (which gives us the context of ash instead of nothing), his character, his goals and a lot of the story's overarching 'threats' and what constitutes a crisis narratively.
While semantics this is needed for contextual understanding of the feat itself, this isn't some vein 'let me split hairs on what this one term means' this is, can you provide enough sufficient evidence to prove rather than just leaving the world as ash, the entire realm would be gone too? Have you proof of the Oni possibly doing this in another realm leaving no space time there, for a historical understanding within the verse or something else other than the word of Omega, Garmadon and vague guidebook statements of 'they are going to destroy everything'
If they enter the space-time, how do they survive its destruction if a Creation Tornado as TheOrangeGuy mentioned uses Time as part of the attack which was able to defeat them?
These are points to prove I think most everyone here would be happy and or at least agree that it shouldn't be downgraded if you can provide substantial proof on the literary analysis of your claim, myself included.
He's also reliable as he saw their plan
Garmadon saw their plan... he knows the outcome is ash under your own framework.
Prove they can't physically destroy them
proving a negative, okay: If the realms can't be physically destroyed by the Oni then the Oni were never a threat to begin with.
This is an argument to absurdity which makes it a proof by contradiction given the logic dictates the scaling should go up in severity not down.
However, that is if I were to suppose they could destroy the realms physically, that said time is a nonspatial continuum that is measured in terms of events which succeed one another from past through present to future. They could still destroy the spatial axis of the realms thus destroying them physically in a tangible sense with the nonspatial continuum of time still existing thus rendering the rebuttal moot. Just try better Lloydblitzed
*her argument
when a Realm gets destroyed
so how do the Oni survive given this Word of God statement?
Also in case anyone doubts Creation includes Time
so, if Time can harm the Oni, how do they intend to survive after they 'destroy everything' as you and Lloydblitzed keep mentioning?
Proof that contextually it is a joke is non-existent, the hat scene from Garmadon #2 is a joke and metaphor to let down the helmet of conquest and become a traveler.
Ur arguments are litterally contradicted by Omega's words
Since everyone ignored me I’ll just repeat my point:
Omega
states that the FSM’s power will be gone. What did FSM create via his powers? Multiple Realms as
revealed in DR. Also do not forget that Time is an element which originated from Dragons, and even small portion of Time Power
can warp the very fabric of spacetime continuum, and it is also
heavily implied that Time Twins can destroy the very fabric of space-time too.
This collectively debunks all of the arguments that support OP.
If the Tornado of Creation has a time aspect to it how would the Oni individually scale to 4-D
and survive the realm's entire destruction given they are now part of that space-time?
TV Series must be prioritized over the comics, also the fact that it is a joke indicates that it must not be taken literally.
It is considered canon this means both statements have weight, saying TV >> comics must be prioritized is an overreach by your hand only, with the only contradiction to the Garmadon comics being the situation over his helmet, again non-existent evidence of it being a joke. This is not some tsundere thing of 'I didn't kill you all cause I want living subjects to rule over -baka' he admits it is because of his own pride to want to rule over Ninjago not a land of ash.
Claiming it is a joke puts into question the reliability of his statements in regards to destruction capable by the Oni previously, this isn't even a joke of "it wasn't that serious"
Should’t Universal Energy System fix this issue?
Not inherently depending on the nature of the cores and how they came to be, how they are used etc... After all humans can use axes to chop trees but that doesn't mean we scale to the power of the axe's delivery of the chop similar issues occur in UES stuff.
but that’s for another CRT,
So, it doesn't scale to this Garmadon feat? Maaaaaaaan, I was hoping for something more fun, I guess.
So onis would scale to Low 2-C
Is that for all Oni individually or the use of the cloud / as an invasion force though? Plus, we still have the issue of how they accomplish the 2-C or Low 2-C rating, Garmadon knowing the plans then saying reduced to ash, and Minaaaa's point about the characters.
Garmadon scaling to Crystal King is fine.
So we shouldn't use the Oni Army stuff and use Crystal King scaling as sort of substitution? I'm fine with that, helps it make more sense.
Yeah, I am with Arceus on the statements.
So, if we verify a method of 2-C via Crystal King should we just swap out the reasoning about the Oni given how clunky it seems? Or should we drop the Oni Army to uni, add a Crystal King part as 2-C or another path entirely? (I am trying to understand our options here)
Bleach Quincy tipping the balance moment :^)
From the visualization in DR it is clear that they are created all at once.
Did I miss where someone posted this one?
