First of all, this thread wasn't even initially supposed to be about Sonic; it was about NiGHTS. That being said, the OP added in some Sonic related topics and even brought up possible connections so it ended up becoming labeled as "Sonic thread". But the fact remains is that an overwhelming amount of Sonic supporters got involved and are currently using this as a tool upgrade Sonic to 2-B. I agree it's best to avoid discussing the unhealthy reputation however.
Anyway, "Appeal to Authority" is never a right accusation. Even other Admins have different ideals from each other and "Divided staff" has admittedly always been an occurring problem in the wiki. It goes without saying that typical Vs debaters simply care more about their characters and/or favorite verses being treated as stronger than any opposing characters verses then they do about legitimate accuracy. I'm not calling out any individual names of anyone pushing for this; and yes, even staff members have also been guilty of this from time to time. But "for the most part," the staff do have the most experience and the best sense of judgement. Which is what we're trying to do right now; we're simply looking up the scans and the context bit by bit to see if it truly meats the guidelines.
Also, I don't want to sound as harsh or snarky as someone like Matt or Kepekley have put it, but there is a sad truth that the communities' overgrowth in quantity is making it much harder to maintain the quality control. I know for certain that Google+ getting shut down and a few extra level headed staff members such as Kavpeny, Azathoth, and Reppuzan retiring are notable examples of events leading to quantity over quality direction. And we don't have any ill will towards any fanbases in particular. But the fact remains is that multiple fanbases are legitimately making the staff's jobs harder. Just because an argument is "More constructive" or "More elaborate" doesn't mean it's in the more right. An OP could be 30 paragraphs long and contains a combination of dozens of scans as well as back ups by multiple dictionary definitions, but that doesn't ultimately make the arguments hold up. Because even comments like that can be taken apart by comments no more than 1 or 2 paragraphs clarifying that context here doesn't mean that, or the scans don't line up with the proposals. And yes, I'm glad a few supporters like Gilad, Seed and Imagine are well behaved. And also just because some users aren't "malicious" per say doesn't mean they aren't obnoxious. Not going to call out individuals per say, but just some notes.
Anyway, we already addressed the same repeated arguments. AKM Sama and I have both went over the idea of "Worlds" not being enough to qualify as meaning Universe. And the only use of the word "Universe" we found uses the context to basically say the entirety of the real world and the dream world is the universe. And Reality in context I already explained the VSBW's definition of reality when used in context. The use of the word Reality here simply doesn't line up with meaning alternate universes but simply part of the universe. Just because my bedroom is reality, doesn't mean bedroom is a universe.
For the conclusion, I find the conclusion that NiGHTS is simply 3-A.
