Desolate Era: Minor Hax Layer Specification

[Planck69]

So, we already use this in matches and debates but I feel it would be better to have a thread posted for posterity's sake. So, in Desolate Era;

• The soul and mind are indistinct in nature and function, which can be seen with the Nuwa Visualisation Technique protecting the soul but simultaneously resisting illusions, divine sense negating bewildering formations while being a mark of soul strength and memories and thoughts being directly stored in one's soul[443].
• Cultivators of a far higher level can completely negate the resistances of those at a lower level, as shown by how Ning would be helpless against a Daolord who was good with illusions as a World God, despite Ning having several layers of resistance via his soul and heartforce[440].
• Each level of heartforce offers an extra level of resistance to illusions, mind control, and perception manipulation to a user that he couldn't previously overcome[433].
• As one's cultivation level rises, so too does the strength and quality of their soul [434].
• Increasing one's soul level via visualization allows one to manifest Divine Sense, which allows him to see everything around him with perfect clarity, boosts his telekinetic might, and even protects him from bewitching formations and illusions that previously affected them.[82]

So, as can be seen above, each level of cultivation as well as heartforce grants an increased layer of both hax and resistance to mind, soul, illusion, perception, and memory manipulation abilities.

Agree: 4 (XDragnoir, Lonkitt, LephyrTheRevanchist, DemonGodMitchAubin)

Disagree: 0

Neutral: 0

 

[Planck69]

@Maverick_Zero_X @Theglassman12 @DemonGodMitchAubin @LephyrTheRevanchist @Damage3245 @Zaratthustra @XDragnoir @Rikimarox2

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[XDragnoir]

I agree with everything Planck said.

 

[XDragnoir]

The soul and mind are indistinct in nature and function, which can be seen with the Nuwa Visualisation Technique protecting the soul but simultaneously resisting illusions, divine sense negating bewildering formations while being a mark of soul strength and memories and thoughts being directly stored in one's soul[443].

To give some extra info about this relationship between minds and souls:

Dao-Heart is how someone's mental/will strength is named in DE and it is part of the process to strengthen the soul

It was extremely hard to progress in the soul, but in the path of Immortals, the soul was incomparably important. Only a sufficiently powerful soul would be able to command ever-greater amounts of elemental energy. If an ordinary mortal was in possession of the elemental energy of an Immortal, there was only one possible outcome; he wouldn’t be able to tame the elemental energy, which would wildly burst forth and shatter his bones and his flesh, slaying him.

Advancing in the soul was something which could be done through visualization techniques, through gaining comprehension into the Dao, through strengthening the body to support the soul, or through training one’s will.

Training the will…another phrase for it might be training one’s Dao-heart! Ning had already reached the ‘divine will’ level when he was eleven. In the past five years, Ning had made astonishing amounts of progress with regards to comprehending the Dao, eventually reaching the Dao Domain level. Clearly, this had all been very beneficial to his soul.

The "Dao-Heart", as we see in other moments is what resists mental attacks, as seen here:

“How is this possible? I could clearly sense that I was quite awake. I wasn’t…” Daolord Laya’s voice slowly trailed off. Moments later, he let out a low sigh. “What a terrifying illusion. It actually was able to seep into my soul without me even realizing it. The things that I thought I saw were actually all illusory. My Dao-heart still isn’t strong enough, allowing my soul and truesoul to be infiltrated without me knowing it.”

Also, something that is good to notice is that, as seen in my own quote and the one from Planck, the Truesoul also has a connection to the mind, the standard mind/will/dao-heart is part of the soul (there's even a spiritual place inside the soul named Sea of Consciousness, btw) but high level cultivators can think even without a soul, having just their Truesoul remaining:

What did the phrase ‘void will’ mean? The word ‘will’ referred to his mind, to his consciousness! For ordinary mortals, possessing a soul meant possessing consciousness. Powerful cultivators understood that only possessing a complete truesoul represented having consciousness and the capability for true thought.

As for the most supreme of major powers? Even if their truesouls were fragmented and shattered, they would still be able to maintain consciousness! A major power’s mind and consciousness would only come to a halt when the final fragments of his truesoul completely collapsed. When Ning’s original body had perished, he had experienced this process of his truesoul breaking apart and his consciousness dimming away. The reason that consciousness vanished was because its most fundamental vessel, the ‘truesoul’, had completely broken apart.

To have a ‘void will’ meant that even after your truesoul completely broke apart, you would still be able to maintain consciousness, housing it within the emptiness of the void itself! Imagine what a powerful will one would need in order to be able to accomplish such a thing!

“Willpower strong enough to exist independently of body and soul… to accomplish this, I will need to truly perfect the [Void Everlasting] technique,” Ning mused to himself.

Ning also went a step further and achieved a Void Will (no truesoul nor soul remaining), but this one is barely combat applicable outside of the regen aspect.

But I am just leaving this here for now, because I don't have the GODDAMN ******* CHAPTERS where all of this happened, so I can't add the refs.

 

[Planck69]

Bump

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

This seems fine at a glance

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Fine i guess

 

[Fixxed]

Sorry for derailling. Idk where i put this. (cuz i don't know where to discuss desolate era in this site).

because I saw about ji Ning vs ichigo (soul layering problem). then I want to add that someone who has reached the grand dao domain then his soul will become a Type 2 concept due to the manifestation of the grand dao. in Ji Ning's case, his soul had become the Dao of the sword. which is when you want to affect Jining soul also you requires Cm2

Scans:

Within his sea of consciousness.

Ning’s soul suddenly transformed into a sword, an incomparably dazzling sword. This was the sword-soul, which only a Sword Immortal who had truly reached the Grand Dao Domain level would possess. This was a fundamental change, an evolution of the soul.

Whoosh.

The sword suddenly transformed into Ji Ning’s appearance…but the spirit-Ning faintly emanated with the light of a sword

Book 10 25

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

@Planck69 didn't know you are into cultivation novels.

For the upgrade of course I agree!

 

[Planck69]

Jesus Christ, I forgot about this!

@Fixxed
I suppose that can be tackled as well here.

@Maverick_Zero_X @LephyrTheRevanchist @Lonkitt @DemonGodMitchAubin @KingTempest @Elizhaa @Theglassman12

Any thoughts on the above and Fixxed's post?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Jesus Christ, I forgot about this!

@Fixxed
I suppose that can be tackled as well here.

@Maverick_Zero_X @LephyrTheRevanchist @Lonkitt @DemonGodMitchAubin @KingTempest @Elizhaa @Theglassman12

Any thoughts on the above and Fixxed's post?

What would that give him?

 

[Planck69]

His soul would be a Type 2 Concept from what I can gather.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

His soul would be a Type 2 Concept from what I can gather.

Didn't he fuse with the verse in the end? Or am I wrong?

 

[Planck69]

Didn't he fuse with the verse in the end? Or am I wrong?

.....This isn't for that key.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

.....This isn't for that key.

Oh thought this was something he didn't have at all. Excuse me then. Will stop derailing now.

 

[Lonkitt]

Should be fine

 

[XDragnoir]

Sorry for derailling. Idk where i put this. (cuz i don't know where to discuss desolate era in this site).

because I saw about ji Ning vs ichigo (soul layering problem). then I want to add that someone who has reached the grand dao domain then his soul will become a Type 2 concept due to the manifestation of the grand dao. in Ji Ning's case, his soul had become the Dao of the sword. which is when you want to affect Jining soul also you requires Cm2

Scans:

For the record, I agree completely with this, but which key exactly would this affect? Wanxiang onward? Not sure if that's when he got Grand Dao Domain.

 

[Planck69]

For the record, I agree completely with this, but which key exactly would this affect? Wanxiang onward? Not sure if that's when he got Grand Dao Domain.

He does get it as a Wanxiang Adept.

 

[XDragnoir]

He does get it as a Wanxiang Adept.

Thanks

I will ask a few mods to take a look at this + what Fixxed brought up

But how are we going to index that exactly? I'd say it's limited AE for his soul/mind

 

[Fixxed]

just a reminder, at wanxiang adept. Ji Ning already fused His soul and his body together. Guess what defensive explanation is suitable for this ability
Does this require the opponent to harm Ji Ning's soul directly so that Ji Ning is injured?
(scans already provided in his profile)
And additional scans.

Yu Wei’s face turned white. As for Ning, he felt as though his soul was being stabbed at by a needle-like divine will. However, his soul and his divine body had now completely fused together, and it was far more durable against this sort of attack. He was able to completely withstand it. Book 12 Chapter 15

The problem is that every cultivator in the desolate era (with a high cultivation level) will be able to negate Ji Ning's Defensive Ability (Including soul-body Durability). but this does not apply to other fiction which does not have the feat of being able to harm the body-soul directly. I mean Ji Ning's Soul is now Concept type 2. Does this give him pseudo invulnerability too?

 

[Planck69]

Thanks

I will ask a few mods to take a look at this + what Fixxed brought up

But how are we going to index that exactly? I'd say it's limited AE for his soul/mind

Limited Abstract Existence (Type 1) (His soul is a concept blah blah)

just a reminder, at wanxiang adept. Ji Ning already fused His soul and his body together. Guess what defensive explanation is suitable for this ability
Does this require the opponent to harm Ji Ning's soul directly so that Ji Ning is injured?
(scans already provided in his profile)
And additional scans.



The problem is that every cultivator in the desolate era (with a high cultivation level) will be able to negate Ji Ning's Defensive Ability (Including soul-body Durability). but this does not apply to other fiction which does not have the feat of being able to harm the body-soul directly. I mean Ji Ning's Soul is now Concept type 2. Does this give him pseudo invulnerability too?

I'm not sure. That seems like a reach.

 

[XDragnoir]

just a reminder, at wanxiang adept. Ji Ning already fused His soul and his body together. Guess what defensive explanation is suitable for this ability
Does this require the opponent to harm Ji Ning's soul directly so that Ji Ning is injured?
(scans already provided in his profile)
And additional scans.



The problem is that every cultivator in the desolate era (with a high cultivation level) will be able to negate Ji Ning's Defensive Ability (Including soul-body Durability). but this does not apply to other fiction which does not have the feat of being able to harm the body-soul directly. I mean Ji Ning's Soul is now Concept type 2. Does this give him pseudo invulnerability too?

Not really, all we've seen that do in practice is give Body Refiners a "solid soul" which is protected by their body.

That means you have to destroy their body as well to destroy their soul, and which is actually a good thing to notice in case it's not in his profile already, but anything else like invulnerability is a stretch IMO.

 

[Fixxed]

I'm not sure. That seems like a reach

Just in case for debating (Lol)