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"However, I still believe Necrozma will be able to avoid any redirected attacks with Ultra Wormholes to not get touched by them."
I argue that he'd be a little too shocked to do so if another version of him came out and countered his Smart Strike or Photon Geyser. These moves will be harder to use as Wisemon doesn't just replay all willy nilly. He's a strategic fighter. Plus these aren't simple redirects, these are high speed playbacks, so he could be getting hit with a high speed barrage of his own attacks that were already preserved in space time.
"For the question of Necrozma using them in combat from before, Im pretty sure that they could. Easily in fact. We don't treat abilities as non-combat applicable just because they weren't used in combat before and Necrozmas never had to fight with U.W.'s against anything other than maybe Solgaleo and Lunala, who he stomped. Plus, IIRC, Dawn/Dusk Necrozma was able to make like 5 of them just by roaring. So im sure Ultra Necrozma could do the same thing + more when facing an attack, but thats just me."
The question I was asking for that is whether it was in character for him to use said wormholes to avoid attacks. He never actually did so in game at all. It's a possibility, but not a high one. It's not an argument of ca, but an argument of will.
"For Eternal Nirvana, this is where i'll start again on my issues. Let me make this clear first though. I am not saying Necrozma will escape this attack if hit by it, like before. This move will very well work once hitting him. That is not the issue I have with it. The issue I have with this move is we aren't establishing just how Necro will actually get sealed in it. The effect? No issues. Just the causes. Does Wisemon need to get in contact with Necro to seal him in the space-time stones? Can he seal targets from over a distance? Does he teleport targets into the stones? Factors like these is what I meant here. If someone said something like Minato winning via sealing (when shinobi in Naruto definitely need to establish contact to seal like they do with Tailed Beasts) without going more in-depth about it like this, it would also be questionable about how they seal them. "
I've actually addressed this activation in the thread on a reply you likely haven't seen. But to save you time. Even if we accept Eternal Nirvana as the slowest energy beam in the world, going 1 inch per 5 billion years, Wisemon still has teleportation and can just warp behind Necrozma, touch him and seal him.
"Hypothetically, if someone who had mid-godly regen needed themselves and their reality to be erased to nothingness in order to actually die, are we (us in general, not me and you Dragon) really going to say basic level death is going to legitimately harm them? Since Zeref was the example used here, i'll address him. My memory of FT is very foggy but if im in the right ball park, Zeref's death magic is done via making a wave of death energy yes? Death energy that sucks the life force of targets and can do stuff like kill off forests? Something like this would easily effect those with too low regen, healing, or nothing at all. That is for certain. However, what about someone who can come back from even being reduced to nothing? The death magic isn't like it destroys existence so a mid-godly should be perfectly capable of thriving through it. Or if we take this a step up, the mid-godly can enter an area where existence is erased and they make it out to tell about it. I don't think basic death like life sucking or fatigue should do anything. "
Necrozma does not have Mid-Godly and if he did it would not work without feats. It was accepted in the thread Gar recently made that Death Manipulation in general unless specified differently bypasses ANY non-Godly Regen. Death Manipulation was agreed to be mostly life force based and seeing as this move kills you immediately, and Digimon lack any type of organs, it is more than likely life force based like most death haxes. Simple deduction.
The thread I mentioned here. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1962778
Of course you have not countered the M-Bodies argument either.
I argue that he'd be a little too shocked to do so if another version of him came out and countered his Smart Strike or Photon Geyser. These moves will be harder to use as Wisemon doesn't just replay all willy nilly. He's a strategic fighter. Plus these aren't simple redirects, these are high speed playbacks, so he could be getting hit with a high speed barrage of his own attacks that were already preserved in space time.
"For the question of Necrozma using them in combat from before, Im pretty sure that they could. Easily in fact. We don't treat abilities as non-combat applicable just because they weren't used in combat before and Necrozmas never had to fight with U.W.'s against anything other than maybe Solgaleo and Lunala, who he stomped. Plus, IIRC, Dawn/Dusk Necrozma was able to make like 5 of them just by roaring. So im sure Ultra Necrozma could do the same thing + more when facing an attack, but thats just me."
The question I was asking for that is whether it was in character for him to use said wormholes to avoid attacks. He never actually did so in game at all. It's a possibility, but not a high one. It's not an argument of ca, but an argument of will.
"For Eternal Nirvana, this is where i'll start again on my issues. Let me make this clear first though. I am not saying Necrozma will escape this attack if hit by it, like before. This move will very well work once hitting him. That is not the issue I have with it. The issue I have with this move is we aren't establishing just how Necro will actually get sealed in it. The effect? No issues. Just the causes. Does Wisemon need to get in contact with Necro to seal him in the space-time stones? Can he seal targets from over a distance? Does he teleport targets into the stones? Factors like these is what I meant here. If someone said something like Minato winning via sealing (when shinobi in Naruto definitely need to establish contact to seal like they do with Tailed Beasts) without going more in-depth about it like this, it would also be questionable about how they seal them. "
I've actually addressed this activation in the thread on a reply you likely haven't seen. But to save you time. Even if we accept Eternal Nirvana as the slowest energy beam in the world, going 1 inch per 5 billion years, Wisemon still has teleportation and can just warp behind Necrozma, touch him and seal him.
"Hypothetically, if someone who had mid-godly regen needed themselves and their reality to be erased to nothingness in order to actually die, are we (us in general, not me and you Dragon) really going to say basic level death is going to legitimately harm them? Since Zeref was the example used here, i'll address him. My memory of FT is very foggy but if im in the right ball park, Zeref's death magic is done via making a wave of death energy yes? Death energy that sucks the life force of targets and can do stuff like kill off forests? Something like this would easily effect those with too low regen, healing, or nothing at all. That is for certain. However, what about someone who can come back from even being reduced to nothing? The death magic isn't like it destroys existence so a mid-godly should be perfectly capable of thriving through it. Or if we take this a step up, the mid-godly can enter an area where existence is erased and they make it out to tell about it. I don't think basic death like life sucking or fatigue should do anything. "
Necrozma does not have Mid-Godly and if he did it would not work without feats. It was accepted in the thread Gar recently made that Death Manipulation in general unless specified differently bypasses ANY non-Godly Regen. Death Manipulation was agreed to be mostly life force based and seeing as this move kills you immediately, and Digimon lack any type of organs, it is more than likely life force based like most death haxes. Simple deduction.
The thread I mentioned here. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1962778
Of course you have not countered the M-Bodies argument either.
