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It is a physical attack though? Just because it attacks fate doesn't mean it can't hit people. It's still a magically enhanced physical attack. Her mats say nothing about only cutting fate.Monarch Laciel said:
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Nasuverse Discussion Board 21
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Not necessarily. We are told that it cuts down fate, curses and misfortunes. Why would we still assume an attack like that does only physical damage?
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You were half right btw. Romani does say that after Tiamat has the concept of death forced on her she goes back to a normal Servant's Spirit Origin.HammerStrikes219 said:
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Because it's not specified at all to only do that? And that it has beaten Sasaki of Shimosa and cut off a physical trunk of the mammoth Ivan fused with? You have zero basis for such assumptions.Monarch Laciel said:
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Right right. Exactly. It is exactly as you say. "It's not specified at all to only do that". It is not specified to only do physical damage. I'm glad you agree with me.RegisNex1232 said:
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Your posts seem to imply that it doesn't do physical damage, when Ivan and Sasaki suggest otherwise.
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Didn't Ivan and Sasaki were mentioned to have their own individual abilities that act as a counter to Musashi's abilites though? In Sasaki's case, he pretty much can counter her IIRC due to his skills and abilities. Not sure about Ivan since Ramesses mentioned she did cut the mammoth's trunk apparently?
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Sasaki is still dealing physical damage, since he wounds Musashi when she beats him. And the mammoth isn't exactly said to just be a concept.HammerStrikes219 said:
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With his np right? I do remember Sasaki having a np of his own IIRC.
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With his np right? I do remember Sasaki having a np of his own IIRC.
Sasaki has a special technique but no NP. It's classified as one just for convenience. And the Sasaki (Saber) who fought Musashi in the Shimosa finale has no mats about him.
Sasaki has a special technique but no NP. It's classified as one just for convenience. And the Sasaki (Saber) who fought Musashi in the Shimosa finale has no mats about him.
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Oh yeah this one right?
"Tsuabame Gaeshi The ultimate sword technique that assaults the opponent from three directions "simultaneously". Strictly speaking, this is neither a Noble Phantasm nor a magical phenomenon. The nameless martial artist who materialised as "Kojiro" sought nothing but the pinnacle of swordsmanship during his life. He trained himself in pursuit of swordsmanship, and doing nothing but swing his sword. After a long period of time, his technique finally reached another state. A flash from this world, followed by two absolutely simultaneous, over-lapping flashes that disregard the concept of time and space, producing a slash attack that arrives from three different directions. This is the "Multidimensional Refraction Phenomenon—Kischua Zelretch" that transcends speed, dexterity, feint and many other elements. Although with some limitations, a nameless martial artist who knows naught of sorcery or True Magic is able to tread into the realm of the "Second Magic".
The range of this skill is approximately 3m. In order to deliver the first strike as a horizontal slash, Kojiro relinquished his high ground advantage over Artoria and moved to an equal level before unleashing this technique. You may discern how special a secret technique "Tsubame Gaeshi" is to Kojiro, who never assumes a stance, by observing how he lifts his sword and then swiftly launches the technique."
"Tsuabame Gaeshi The ultimate sword technique that assaults the opponent from three directions "simultaneously". Strictly speaking, this is neither a Noble Phantasm nor a magical phenomenon. The nameless martial artist who materialised as "Kojiro" sought nothing but the pinnacle of swordsmanship during his life. He trained himself in pursuit of swordsmanship, and doing nothing but swing his sword. After a long period of time, his technique finally reached another state. A flash from this world, followed by two absolutely simultaneous, over-lapping flashes that disregard the concept of time and space, producing a slash attack that arrives from three different directions. This is the "Multidimensional Refraction Phenomenon—Kischua Zelretch" that transcends speed, dexterity, feint and many other elements. Although with some limitations, a nameless martial artist who knows naught of sorcery or True Magic is able to tread into the realm of the "Second Magic".
The range of this skill is approximately 3m. In order to deliver the first strike as a horizontal slash, Kojiro relinquished his high ground advantage over Artoria and moved to an equal level before unleashing this technique. You may discern how special a secret technique "Tsubame Gaeshi" is to Kojiro, who never assumes a stance, by observing how he lifts his sword and then swiftly launches the technique."
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Yup. That one.
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In case anyone still cares, I updated my other thread regarding the skill levels of individual servants (because the way I did the thread before was dumb)
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Shouldn't Goetia have Damage Reduction with Nega-Summon?
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Yes.
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My knowledge on lores other than the Judeo-Christian one is fairly lacking.
Maybe something like Ammut, the Egyptian beats that get the souls of humans who have been evil when they were alive, or Typheus, the monster that Gaia created to take revenge upon the Gods of Olympus, who drowned Cronos and the other Titans. Oh, also maybe Apophis still from ancient Egyptian Mythology.
Maybe something like Ammut, the Egyptian beats that get the souls of humans who have been evil when they were alive, or Typheus, the monster that Gaia created to take revenge upon the Gods of Olympus, who drowned Cronos and the other Titans. Oh, also maybe Apophis still from ancient Egyptian Mythology.
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Interesting, though personally I don't really like the idea of every beast being a demon of the Ars Goetia.Yobo Blue said:
I mean, Beast I was essentially supposed to embody all of them, and it would be more interesting if the individual demons where to be just bastardizations of already existing servants, like Astaroth for Ishtar, for example.
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Nega-Genesis is a Conceptual Bounded Field that denies human evolution which causes Noble Phantasms created by human evolution to fail, so maybe Nega-Messiah also denies an aspect of humanity which causes some kind of effect.
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The Messiah is supposed to be the Ultimate Saviour of Humanity. However, the way it would be interpreted by Fate is difficult to predict because the Messiah is presented a bit differently in Jewish Lore, the actual Jesus Christ and what the Messiah is described to be in the book of Revelation (which is essentially a mix of the previous two).
The Nega Messiah would have to do with the opposite of this, like a way to forever change humanity into worse, or outright bringing it to ruins, such as unleashing a buttload of demons in the world or something.
And I don't know, maybe evil Apostles or something.
The Nega Messiah would have to do with the opposite of this, like a way to forever change humanity into worse, or outright bringing it to ruins, such as unleashing a buttload of demons in the world or something.
And I don't know, maybe evil Apostles or something.
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Interesting, though personally I don't really like the idea of every beast being a demon of the Ars Goetia.
I mean, Beast I was essentially supposed to embody all of them, and it would be more interesting if the individual demons where to be just bastardizations of already existing servants, like Astaroth for Ishtar, for example.
Yeah, after reading it it's not literally the Goetia, but more the Qliphoth's symbolism
I mean, Beast I was essentially supposed to embody all of them, and it would be more interesting if the individual demons where to be just bastardizations of already existing servants, like Astaroth for Ishtar, for example.
Yeah, after reading it it's not literally the Goetia, but more the Qliphoth's symbolism
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Maybe it denies humanities ability to be save and redemed from their sins? Which might deny Heroic Spirits in their aptitude of being humans best, or something like that.
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The beast was described as having 7 heads, with a crown on each one (so 7 crowns) and 10 horns.
Though if they were to add some sort of Holy Trinity symbolism too, such as the actual woman riding the beats as well as two other beings having crowns of their own, you'd end up with ten.
Though if they were to add some sort of Holy Trinity symbolism too, such as the actual woman riding the beats as well as two other beings having crowns of their own, you'd end up with ten.
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