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Law manip and resistance to enhanced senses/esp is fine.
Law manip and resistance to enhanced senses/esp is fine.
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Yes, any help would be much appreciated.TrueKing do you want help for the apply? Oh and same time why BB didn't get any of the INS hax ?
Is somebody willing to write a list of all the members who have helped out in this thread please, so I can send a notification to them?Is somebody who is experienced with and/or knowledgeable regarding editing in our wiki willing to help out?
I don't think it's really necessary.Is somebody willing to write a list of all the members who have helped out in this thread please, so I can send a notification to them?
TrueKing do you want help for the apply? Oh and same time why BB didn't get any of the INS hax ?
Yes, any help would be much appreciated.
Because the BB profile is already structured and must require fairly complex revisions to applies many of the new abilities, that's what Crimson said, and I'm not skilled so much at editing anything so complex, so I'm just waiting for someone who would generously applies INS abilities to BB profiles.
As a note that ShadowWhoWalks has drafted INS abilities for Kingprotea and Passionlip but not BB.
I'll probably make a crt about anyone who scales the INS abilities, which whould be including BB stuff, but not anytime soon.
@Regidian @ShadowWhoWalksIs somebody who is experienced with and/or knowledgeable regarding editing in our wiki willing to help out?
For this one must be re-evaluated by the mods and a scan must also be provided.Just a thing, shouldn't resistance to plot manipulation be in servant physiology ? Robin hood tell that they could wreck the whole plot if they tried to not play cool even tho goetia should be able to freely control everything that happen in his story same for scheherazade plot manip.
And ability that melt and BB gained, should be added to kazuradrop tho, as she have their power
added it for bb and kazuradrop, rest only authority resistance and penth but penth doesn't have servant universe key so will need the crt with the creation of these key for the one who need it.For this one must be re-evaluated by the mods and a scan must also be provided.
Yes, these should also be added in their profile for obvious reasons. INS hax as well tho.
Still looks like just an application of power null rather than law manipulation.Law Manipulation for Ten Crowns: Ten Crowns is an Authority and we all know that Authority is a law that governs the world
That just cannot be correct - I'm pretty sure that idea is contradicted several times, like in OG F/SN, where Rin senses a Master but Archer doesn't sense a Servant, so they assume there is only a Master instead of Archer just shrugging and saying a Servant may just be dematerialized.Resistance to Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception for Servant Physiology (By entering Spirit Form, Servants cannot be detected and sensed even to other Servants)
Don't think your vehicle having autopilot warrants instinctive reaction.Instinctive Reaction
Whoa there, isn't the whole point of him that he put his soul into the Box of Pandora? That's just Low-Godly regeneration and type 8 immortality, with the enemy needing to reach into Pandora's Box and get his soul that way. Unless it was removed from there. But even then, they specifically mention a back up, which negates High-Godly. You can't have any physical remains to recover your concept from and call that High-Godly.
That's just Da Vinci saying she gets into trouble often... at most, if you take that statement at its most literal, probability manipulation for bad luck is all you'd get. But I would debate even that.
Is there proof of them doing this with someone who isn't their alternate timeline self? If not, I think this is just a Shirou-Archer interaction with one learning things the other knew.Information Analysist via Absorption (Servant could absorb Soul and Magical Energy as well as gaining information from their victim).
Law manipulation is a nature of Authority so it will be slightly different from Ten Crowns' abilities.Still looks like just an application of power null rather than law manipulation.
FGO is a newer work than F/SN, it has been retconned in FGO because the Spiritual Form is shown to be consistent in the work.That just cannot be correct - I'm pretty sure that idea is contradicted several times, like in OG F/SN, where Rin senses a Master but Archer doesn't sense a Servant, so they assume there is only a Master instead of Archer just shrugging and saying a Servant may just be dematerialized.
Pretty sure that's either an outlier, or just something Holmes can pull off.
Well, it only happens when using the Vimana, Gilgamesh controls the Vimanas with his mind tho.Don't think your vehicle having autopilot warrants instinctive reaction.
Body destruction has no effect on Darius, it was supported in his previous feat along with AE 2 hence he has a "possibly mid-godly regen" on his profile.Whoa there, isn't the whole point of him that he put his soul into the Box of Pandora? That's just Low-Godly regeneration and type 8 immortality, with the enemy needing to reach into Pandora's Box and get his soul that way. Unless it was removed from there. But even then, they specifically mention a back up, which negates High-Godly. You can't have any physical remains to recover your concept from and call that High-Godly.
Mobile Singularity has been accepted on this wiki as type 4 Acausal, and Penth is one of them. I won't argue about this.That's just Da Vinci saying she gets into trouble often... at most, if you take that statement at its most literal, probability manipulation for bad luck is all you'd get. But I would debate even that.
It should be there, but all the scans I've have been deleted, because my gadget was reseted.Is there proof of them doing this with someone who isn't their alternate timeline self? If not, I think this is just a Shirou-Archer interaction with one learning things the other knew.
Just a thing, shouldn't resistance to plot manipulation be in servant physiology ? Robin hood tell that they could wreck the whole plot if they tried to not play cool even tho goetia should be able to freely control everything that happen in his story same for scheherazade plot manip.
For the plot the scan is the same used for goetia plot manip https://media.discordapp.net/attach...563473/Screenshot_20200229-192905_Fate_GO.png
Added resistance to Plot Manipulation for Servant Physiology.What currently needs to be evaluated here? Can somebody explain in a sufficiently thorough but easy to understand manner please?
Consistent? I mean, if you have more times this happened, sure. But even in Apocrypha the assassin's got to deploy their presence concealment while dematerialized to keep hidden.O is a newer work than F/SN, it has been retconned in FGO because the Spiritual Form is shown to be consistent in the work.
Again, isn't that because his soul is physically inside of Pandora? Unless they destroyed his soul in there, that's not high-godly at all. High godly is body, soul, and concept. Body and concept recovering from the soul is maybe mid-godly if even that.Body destruction has no effect on Darius, it was supported in his previous feat along with AE 2 hence he has a "possibly mid-godly regen" on his profile.
And with his recent feats, it was supported by the destruction of the concept and was able to regenerate his own concept, thus it can be concluded that his destruction encompasses both the existence and the concept.
Of course, Darius already has Immortality (Type 8) on his profile.
But the dodging is a built-in function, ergo not Gilgamesh doing it. That's autopilot.Well, it only happens when using the Vimana, Gilgamesh controls the Vimanas with his mind tho.
BumpAdded resistance to Plot Manipulation for Servant Physiology.
I mean it's weird when a concept that underlies the existence has been erased but only got Mid-Godly, which in fact is the recent feat is clarifying the previous feat (type 2 AE)Again, isn't that because his soul is physically inside of Pandora? Unless they destroyed his soul in there, that's not high-godly at all. High godly is body, soul, and concept. Body and concept recovering from the soul is maybe mid-godly if even that.
Good point, but Instinctive Reaction has been treated like autopilot tho, so I think it's better to change the sentence "Instinctive Reaction" with "Autopilot" which links to the Instinctive Reaction page.But the dodging is a built-in function, ergo not Gilgamesh doing it. That's autopilot.
Well, that doesn't counter what I said?I mean it's weird when a concept that underlies the existence has been erased but only got Mid-Godly, which in fact is the recent feat is clarifying the previous feat (type 2 AE)
Yeah, that's pretty much splitting hairs. Just wanted to have it noted on the profile to not have people think "of he gets instinctive reflexion if he has this item".Good point, but Instinctive Reaction has been treated like autopilot tho, so I think it's better to change the sentence "Instinctive Reaction" with "Autopilot" which links to the Instinctive Reaction page.
Dunno about that. Had my brain turned off for most of that Singularity, but I don't think Scheherazade's NP is able to govern fate to such an extent, even if boosted. Do you have any scans for that not being a limitation of her ability, rather than a resistance everybody has? Reality Marbles aren't absolute.Just a thing, shouldn't resistance to plot manipulation be in servant physiology ? Robin hood tell that they could wreck the whole plot if they tried to not play cool even tho goetia should be able to freely control everything that happen in his story same for scheherazade plot manip.
Well, conceptual weapon, destroy concept, soul, and info. It was accepted on Global Hax revision.Well, that doesn't counter what I said?
Was his soul erased too? If not, then that doesn't particularly matter. It's neat that he can regenerate his concept, but High Godly is exclusively if nothing is left.
can you send a scan that refers to his soul not being erased and stored in Pandora Box? because I forgot that partWell, that doesn't counter what I said?
Was his soul erased too? If not, then that doesn't particularly matter. It's neat that he can regenerate his concept, but High Godly is exclusively if nothing is left.
Q: Conceptual Weapons are fixed magical items which execute a predetermined phenomenon. They're soul smashers ("outbreakers") that beat the opponent not physically but with the weight of the soul, but would it be possible to kill only the soul of a normal person, rather than something supernatural?
A: Yes, but the effect would be reduced. Or rather, against a mundane opponent, mere physical attacks would suffice. Physical interference is not possible against formless things, such as manifestations of laws or delusions. That's why Conceptual Weapons exist, because beings that exist via concepts can only be killed by concepts.
Sche's NP has been generally accepted as Plot Manipulation on this wiki, so the point is to be able to resist that ability.Dunno about that. Had my brain turned off for most of that Singularity, but I don't think Scheherazade's NP is able to govern fate to such an extent, even if boosted. Do you have any scans for that not being a limitation of her ability, rather than a resistance everybody has? Reality Marbles aren't absolute.
I am asking for proof that it was, it's what allows him to be immortal to begin with? I mean, how do you think he regenerates? Stuff like that doesn't fall into the laps of modern magi in the Nasuvere.can you send a scan that refers to his soul not being erased and stored in Pandora Box? because I forgot that part
First, all of this is secondary. We are told that he had a backup that remade him. That automatically disqualifies him from High Godly. We are told the Origin Bullet affected only his main body, and so left the backup outside his body intact and functional.need to know the concept in Nasuverse lies in the soul, so destroying the concept allows destroying the soul as well
...That is not an argument? You can't use a random, general power name put on a profile to why it should or shouldn't have limitations set in-universe. That's like saying that since x has mind manipulation, and y resists it due to willpower, y should get to resist mind manipulation instead of it being a weakness for x's mind manipulation.Sche's NP has been generally accepted as Plot Manipulation on this wiki, so the point is to be able to resist that ability.
The feat came from Goetia not Scheherazade..
Scheherazade's Noble Phantasm is a pocket dimension. Within it, she can bring her stories to life, and control said stories to her will, dictating the plot by which they act. That's neat, but you have to prove that her Noble Phantasm isn't the one not capable of dealing with other people from outside the pocket dimension wrecking the plot she sets up instead of claiming they just get a resistance to its power.
It's made very clear she can't just say "x happened" and have x happen. When she wanted to incite conflict, she couldn't just write "the nightless city and el dorado go to war", she summoned a bunch of people and tried to mastermind into fighting by altering their memory and age. Never mind Servants, she doesn't so much as attempt to control Ritsuka, either. And please don't argue with "well it's on her profile". We'll just put an asterix to her limitations with it on her profile.
I was countering the Scheherazade one first since it's very, very clear for anybody who read her singularity that she couldn't just write whatever into reality.The feat came from Goetia not Scheherazade.
The scan came from raum salem. I don't remember which part od the story thoI was countering the Scheherazade one first since it's very, very clear for anybody who read her singularity that she couldn't just write whatever into reality.
Could you give me the part where Goetia does it? If not scans, just the general location I should go to to read.