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You know...saying speed of light for multiple things downs tprove consistency of SoL but proves it's their go-to hyperbole.
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Naruto's lightspeed statements and their consistency
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@Jvando. Clearly missed the point. In Hellsing Abridged, Alucard says he has "____ for days". Well crap, he said it multiple times so I guess it must be taken at face value. I've heard a jerk say that several large people are fat as a cow a quite a few times so I guess each time I said that, they must be literally as fat as a cow. I've said that some stoners are as high as a kite several times. Guess they must be literal statements. Team Rocket said they were blasting off at the speed of light for over a thousand straight episodes. Guess they must be FTL.
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Wait-not hype text?I thought the presence of exclamation points within the showing made it clear to be some form of hype or hyperbole.There's even the giant hype text of it on the side of the page.
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Adding to Jvando's argument
If Madara and Tsunade were not in the Jutsu, how could both reach Madara, in an almost unprepared manner? Madara was in the air, advancing toward Naruto. Tsunade (who was wounded) would have to be fast enough to hit Madara. But she was not below him and did not have enough speed to do such a thing. You are literally considering this: Ay and Tsunade crossed the distance from the ground to where Madara and Muu were, before they barely left the place, catching both of them unprepared.
If Madara and Tsunade were not in the Jutsu, how could both reach Madara, in an almost unprepared manner? Madara was in the air, advancing toward Naruto. Tsunade (who was wounded) would have to be fast enough to hit Madara. But she was not below him and did not have enough speed to do such a thing. You are literally considering this: Ay and Tsunade crossed the distance from the ground to where Madara and Muu were, before they barely left the place, catching both of them unprepared.
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Doesn't the jutsu send them towards the ground?Is it that farfetched to assume that the moment they landed,and going off of the sudden light it appears that they landed quite close,they simply jumped off of the ground and towards Madara and Muu?I'm not against the Jutsu being lightspeed as of now.What i'm against currently is the assumption that the Jutsu was still activated as they attacked.
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No, the Jutsu sends them towards a "coordinate" which does not necessarily have to be the ground. Bottom right panel of the post I made two posts prior, we find that Aoi had relayed their coordinates so that they could be transferred to the battlefield. Read that post to answer the rest of your questions.Gogogozoom7 said:
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Ah,I see.So they were sent towards the battlefield some short ways away from Madara and Muu.Thank you,i'll give my input on your post soon.Jvando said:
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And I'm sure the context of all those situations plays into why they aren't taken at face value.The real cal howard said:
This isn't some guy comparing how high he is to a kite nor is it the hype text associated with some of the LS statements which we didn't include because again, they were quite obviously hype text and weren't even really tied to the function or capabilities of the skill in question.
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Why do people bring up Haku? Haku started losing chakra and then slowing down, by his own word. Sasuke reacted to Haku after he left the mirrors to attack Naruto, which means he isn't using their reflection and thus isn't moving LS, making no room whatsoever for "LS Haku".
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1) and 2)Do note,Ay is no slouch when it comes to speed in his base form.No,Ay doesn't need an upgrade in my opinion,seeing as Mu was simply suprised.Mu was capable of reacting to KCM Naruto,yet he was blindsided by Ay.Might this scene be capable of being chalked up as Plot-Induced Stupidity?Muu should be capable of reacting to Ay,but he didn't.Also,the scene depicted in the anime doesn't have the Aura shown in the manga.Although,I suppose this can be ignored as the manga is the primary canon.Jvando said:Also to answer this question, you can clearly see that A does not have his Lightning Chakra Cloak on his body as he attacks Muu.Damage3245 said:
This means two things:
1) The assumption that base Ay, without his lightning cloak, could attack a higher tier character (based on Base Ay's current tier rating) before they could react is still a pretty big one to make. It is much more probable that Muu was having a hard time reacting to the speed at which they were traveling.
2) Base Ay needs to be upgraded to 7-A
"But in the previous panel we see that they noticed them-"
Just because you notice something, doesn't mean you can react to it in time.
Also, Muu is capable of reacting KCM Naruto, the same KCM who easily reacted to Ay (With the lightning chakra cloak) max speed. But he couldn't react to Ay while Mabui's teleport.
Like honestly, if Ay and Tsunade had landed before they attacked, why would Ay not use his Lightning Chakra Cloak before attacking? It's not like it even takes long to activate, he literally does it near instantaneously every time he attacks. The more you break down this scene, the harder it is to assert that A and Tsunade landed before they attacked.
"Just because you notice something,doesn't mean you can react to it in time." I completely agree with this.This supports my point a bit,yes they noticed the obviously bright light,but they were blindsided,hence them being incapable of reacting to them in time.
I'm iffy on the subject of them still being within the Jutsu when attacking now,but what I refuted in my rundown of the OP was Madara reacting to the transfer technique when he clearly didn't.It shows that he was struck,and he flew back and landed on his feet.Simple.
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Ha, I just though of even something more contradictory and stupid.
If the Raikage was lightspeed in the Gokage summit per the databook statement then what the hell was the goddamn point of needing Mabui to transport them to the battlefield?
The whole reason they needed Mabui was so they could get there as fast as possible, yet this guy is supposedly light speed according to the databook. So why not just go himself? And don't come at me with "he moves at shortburst speeds" which is blatantly not true as seen when he's fighting Sasuke and Naruto. Plus at lightspeed it would take a fraction of a second to reach Madara. He could've carried Tsunade there in a microsecond if he was lightspeed like the databook said. Further showing it's just a hyperbole.
Yeah, it just never makes sense. It's inconsistent and contradictory.
Cal also makes a good point that I didn't think of: You know...saying speed of light for multiple things downs tprove consistency of SoL but proves it's their go-to hyperbole.
Also, there's no debating Mabui's teleportation and trying to scale it's speed to Madara and Muu. That's not how the Jutsu works, it transfers the targets to another location at light speed. Tsunade kicking and the Raikage punching are done at their speed, not light speed like the Jutsu. The Jutsu just places them in another location at said speed, it doesn't amp their speed.
If the Raikage was lightspeed in the Gokage summit per the databook statement then what the hell was the goddamn point of needing Mabui to transport them to the battlefield?
The whole reason they needed Mabui was so they could get there as fast as possible, yet this guy is supposedly light speed according to the databook. So why not just go himself? And don't come at me with "he moves at shortburst speeds" which is blatantly not true as seen when he's fighting Sasuke and Naruto. Plus at lightspeed it would take a fraction of a second to reach Madara. He could've carried Tsunade there in a microsecond if he was lightspeed like the databook said. Further showing it's just a hyperbole.
Yeah, it just never makes sense. It's inconsistent and contradictory.
Cal also makes a good point that I didn't think of: You know...saying speed of light for multiple things downs tprove consistency of SoL but proves it's their go-to hyperbole.
Also, there's no debating Mabui's teleportation and trying to scale it's speed to Madara and Muu. That's not how the Jutsu works, it transfers the targets to another location at light speed. Tsunade kicking and the Raikage punching are done at their speed, not light speed like the Jutsu. The Jutsu just places them in another location at said speed, it doesn't amp their speed.
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Wouldn't this simply mean that he threw a lightsaber at Sasuke, instead of him throwing a beam of light tho? IMO, these may seem consistent only if u look at them as they are lined up here. Anything but that and we have no consistency at all. We still have characters much faster than the supposed sub rel Sasuke with problems at dodging lightning fast attacks, or even slower (fire style, water style, any other style comes to mind). We have minuto incapable of dodging ay physically, who was slower than he is now, even though we have minato as physically faster than tobirama, who could fight alive mandara in sage mode and perceive juubito's moves whom are both faster than ay. This is as consitent as naruto intelligence tbhTataHakai said:
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The only thing I'll say is ...
Travel Speed = / = Combat Speed.
Show me someone from Naruto to cross countries in an instant. After all, they are 4-digit Mach.
It is impossible for Tsunade and Ay to surprise Madara and Muu. Mainly because they are sensors. This is a legitimate feat.
Travel Speed = / = Combat Speed.
Show me someone from Naruto to cross countries in an instant. After all, they are 4-digit Mach.
It is impossible for Tsunade and Ay to surprise Madara and Muu. Mainly because they are sensors. This is a legitimate feat.
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More nonsense than before. This time you seem desperate and flustered and could not even answer something from my argument. All this text was useless.
The reason he uses Mabui's jutsu is irrelevant, that does not make sense here, but I'll explain it again so you do not run out of an answer. Mabui's jutsu serves to transport objects and even people (specific cases) at the speed of light to reach the destination faster. It does not matter if Ay moves like this or otherwise, it still qualifies as combat speed and not something constant as travel speed. I will repeat it again: In Naruto ALWAYS existed that the ninjas took days to cross the countries, which is why Mabui Jutsu was created, to reach anywhere on the globe in less than a second. It's pretty obvious. Your points were debunked and you neither had the concern to answer. This is getting ridiculous.
The reason he uses Mabui's jutsu is irrelevant, that does not make sense here, but I'll explain it again so you do not run out of an answer. Mabui's jutsu serves to transport objects and even people (specific cases) at the speed of light to reach the destination faster. It does not matter if Ay moves like this or otherwise, it still qualifies as combat speed and not something constant as travel speed. I will repeat it again: In Naruto ALWAYS existed that the ninjas took days to cross the countries, which is why Mabui Jutsu was created, to reach anywhere on the globe in less than a second. It's pretty obvious. Your points were debunked and you neither had the concern to answer. This is getting ridiculous.
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Nah, this is false in regards to the Raikage. Lariat is literally holding their arm out and running in a straight line.MostPowerfull said:
It's travel speed and the databook says it's light speed.
If he's supposedly light speed according to the databook then why did he need Mabui's light speed teleportation?
You see, it doesn't make sense and it's contradictory. All these supposed light speed statements from the databook only and none remaining consistent with the manga and it's events and feats.
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"Travel Speed=/= Combat Speed".This is correct.MostPowerfull said:
"It is impossible for Tsunade and Ay to suprise Madara and Muu.Mainly because they are sensors.This is a legitimate feat." This is also correct,yet,that's what they did.Instead of it being proof for Light speed or so Madara,this would rather be a feat for Tsunade and Ay.Or,once again,it could be chalked up as PIS.
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@IMade
Just absurd. This is a fighting move.
Nope.
It's not Travel Speed.
No, you just said nonsense. Nothing contradicts these statements and trying to push clear outliers with things that have consistencies is simply bizarre. It sounds like despair to me, kek!
Just absurd. This is a fighting move.
Nope.
It's not Travel Speed.
No, you just said nonsense. Nothing contradicts these statements and trying to push clear outliers with things that have consistencies is simply bizarre. It sounds like despair to me, kek!
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@Gogo
No. There is no proof that this has occurred or something that is implicit or explicit. It's just an assumption to try to explain what happened and its consistency.
No. There is no proof that this has occurred or something that is implicit or explicit. It's just an assumption to try to explain what happened and its consistency.
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Yes,exactly that.Which would warrent somwhat of an upgrade for Ay and Tsunade.If so,they scale towards Muu and this version of Madara's speed.M3X said:
If you meant rushing towards the enemy as in they knocked the two back mid transport,im afraid that's gonna be a no.
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Do explain which feat you are referring to.M3X said:
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Nah, this is false in regards to the Raikage. Lariat is literally holding their arm out and running in a straight line.
It's travel speed and the databook says it's light speed.
If he's supposedly light speed according to the databook then why did he need Mabui's light speed teleportation?
You see, it doesn't make sense and it's contradictory. All these supposed light speed statements from the databook only and none remaining consistent with the manga and it's events and feats.
It's a technique-specific speed, I recon. He doesn't normally move at that speed in his lightning armor, only when he's executing a Lariat.
Also, Lariat is basically bullrushing towards the enemy. It's still combat speed in a way.
It's travel speed and the databook says it's light speed.
If he's supposedly light speed according to the databook then why did he need Mabui's light speed teleportation?
You see, it doesn't make sense and it's contradictory. All these supposed light speed statements from the databook only and none remaining consistent with the manga and it's events and feats.
It's a technique-specific speed, I recon. He doesn't normally move at that speed in his lightning armor, only when he's executing a Lariat.
Also, Lariat is basically bullrushing towards the enemy. It's still combat speed in a way.
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Nah, this is false in regards to the Raikage. Lariat is literally holding their arm out and running in a straight line.
It's travel speed and the databook says it's light speed.
If he's supposedly light speed according to the databook then why did he need Mabui's light speed teleportation?
You see, it doesn't make sense and it's contradictory. All these supposed light speed statements from the databook only and none remaining consistent with the manga and it's events and feats.
Then why does ichigo take nine hours to travel to SS from SK palace deposited being relativistic. It is called travel speed Vs combat speed. As you know.
It does not matter how they do it. The point is one is consistent long distance movement the other one is short distance combat based movement.
It's travel speed and the databook says it's light speed.
If he's supposedly light speed according to the databook then why did he need Mabui's light speed teleportation?
You see, it doesn't make sense and it's contradictory. All these supposed light speed statements from the databook only and none remaining consistent with the manga and it's events and feats.
Then why does ichigo take nine hours to travel to SS from SK palace deposited being relativistic. It is called travel speed Vs combat speed. As you know.
It does not matter how they do it. The point is one is consistent long distance movement the other one is short distance combat based movement.
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Ah.I was unaware we were still on the Raikage's supposed light-speed lariats.I had refuted that in my rundown,so i'll repost it.
"Your quote of Ay's lightspeed lariat is from the guidebooks.A source from which we got quotes such as Universal Temari,Universe slicing Susanoo,or Planet-Cleaving Kinshiki.Unless you're capable of finding feats from Ay that come close to the speed of light,I find it better to dismiss the databook statement.Should a databook statement be backed up by multiple solid semblences of proof in the series,then this point is moot and this upgrade can be accepted. "
What im basically saying here is that lightspeed lariats should only be taken when backed up by more than one pieces concrete evidence within the series.I apologize for any confusion.
"Your quote of Ay's lightspeed lariat is from the guidebooks.A source from which we got quotes such as Universal Temari,Universe slicing Susanoo,or Planet-Cleaving Kinshiki.Unless you're capable of finding feats from Ay that come close to the speed of light,I find it better to dismiss the databook statement.Should a databook statement be backed up by multiple solid semblences of proof in the series,then this point is moot and this upgrade can be accepted. "
What im basically saying here is that lightspeed lariats should only be taken when backed up by more than one pieces concrete evidence within the series.I apologize for any confusion.
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Because the wiki decided below mach 1 is more acceptable, nothing do with his actual travel speed.
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Then why does ichigo take nine hours to travel to SS from SK palace deposited being relativistic. It is called travel speed Vs combat speed. As you know.Rocker1189 said:
It does not matter how they do it. The point is one is consistent long distance movement the other one is short distance combat based movement.
Try to leave other franchises out of this.It's best not to create any bad blood.Let us focus on Naruto solely.
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It seems you're one of those people who can't distinguish what might be hyperbole, and what might be taken literally. "Universal Temari" was very obviously flowery text, not to be taken literally. Lariat on the other hand is quite straightforward.Gogogozoom7 said:
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Its not about so called bad blood, its about staying consistent and not being hypocritical.Gogogozoom7 said:
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you miss out a lot of things here. most of these are said with the bold text of the databooks which her indeed hyperbole and hype statements Ay's is not at all. Not to mention that the susanoo was never said to be universe slicing it was sayid to be able to destroy anything in the universe, still hyperbole but comepletely different meaning.Gogogozoom7 said:
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Guys, please don't do the following two things. Post overly long quotes that are easily readable above, go into too much detail about other verses; especially if it's considered "Opposite of Naruto".
Anyway, rushing into someone at short burst is more like combat speed, and I wouldn't use taking long periods to travel from country to country as a reason to argue against someone's combat speed feats.
Anyway, rushing into someone at short burst is more like combat speed, and I wouldn't use taking long periods to travel from country to country as a reason to argue against someone's combat speed feats.
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Basically this.DarkDragonMedeus said:
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I dont give 2 ***** about Ichigo's travel speed, I just dont want the person who approves one to pretend like he has an issue when it comes with another verse. In other words IMade should not be a hypocrite, I just woke up so might be a bit cranky with how I say it.
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