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You know...saying speed of light for multiple things downs tprove consistency of SoL but proves it's their go-to hyperbole.
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No, the Jutsu sends them towards a "coordinate" which does not necessarily have to be the ground. Bottom right panel of the post I made two posts prior, we find that Aoi had relayed their coordinates so that they could be transferred to the battlefield. Read that post to answer the rest of your questions.Gogogozoom7 said:Doesn't the jutsu send them towards the ground?Is it that farfetched to assume that the moment they landed,and going off of the sudden light it appears that they landed quite close,they simply jumped off of the ground and towards Madara and Muu?I'm not against the Jutsu being lightspeed as of now.What i'm against currently is the assumption that the Jutsu was still activated as they attacked.
Ah,I see.So they were sent towards the battlefield some short ways away from Madara and Muu.Thank you,i'll give my input on your post soon.Jvando said:No, the Jutsu sends them towards a "coordinate" which does not necessarily have to be the ground. Bottom right panel of the post I made two posts prior, we find that Aoi had relayed their coordinates so that they could be transferred to the battlefield. Read that post to answer the rest of your questions.Gogogozoom7 said:Doesn't the jutsu send them towards the ground?Is it that farfetched to assume that the moment they landed,and going off of the sudden light it appears that they landed quite close,they simply jumped off of the ground and towards Madara and Muu?I'm not against the Jutsu being lightspeed as of now.What i'm against currently is the assumption that the Jutsu was still activated as they attacked.
And I'm sure the context of all those situations plays into why they aren't taken at face value.The real cal howard said:@Jvando. Clearly missed the point. In Hellsing Abridged, Alucard says he has "____ for days". Well crap, he said it multiple times so I guess it must be taken at face value. I've heard a jerk say that several large people are fat as a cow a quite a few times so I guess each time I said that, they must be literally as fat as a cow. I've said that some stoners are as high as a kite several times. Guess they must be literal statements. Team Rocket said they were blasting off at the speed of light for over a thousand straight episodes. Guess they must be FTL.
1) and 2)Do note,Ay is no slouch when it comes to speed in his base form.No,Ay doesn't need an upgrade in my opinion,seeing as Mu was simply suprised.Mu was capable of reacting to KCM Naruto,yet he was blindsided by Ay.Might this scene be capable of being chalked up as Plot-Induced Stupidity?Muu should be capable of reacting to Ay,but he didn't.Also,the scene depicted in the anime doesn't have the Aura shown in the manga.Although,I suppose this can be ignored as the manga is the primary canon.Jvando said:Also to answer this question, you can clearly see that A does not have his Lightning Chakra Cloak on his body as he attacks Muu.Damage3245 said:> You would need a pretty nifty assumption to say that they stopped in from to Madara and Mu then attacked them because if that was the case, then mu would not have been knocked back so easily.
What makes you say that? Why couldn't it just be that the Raikage attacked faster than Mu could react?
This means two things:
1) The assumption that base Ay, without his lightning cloak, could attack a higher tier character (based on Base Ay's current tier rating) before they could react is still a pretty big one to make. It is much more probable that Muu was having a hard time reacting to the speed at which they were traveling.
2) Base Ay needs to be upgraded to 7-A
"But in the previous panel we see that they noticed them-"
Just because you notice something, doesn't mean you can react to it in time.
Also, Muu is capable of reacting KCM Naruto, the same KCM who easily reacted to Ay (With the lightning chakra cloak) max speed. But he couldn't react to Ay while Mabui's teleport.
Like honestly, if Ay and Tsunade had landed before they attacked, why would Ay not use his Lightning Chakra Cloak before attacking? It's not like it even takes long to activate, he literally does it near instantaneously every time he attacks. The more you break down this scene, the harder it is to assert that A and Tsunade landed before they attacked.
Wouldn't this simply mean that he threw a lightsaber at Sasuke, instead of him throwing a beam of light tho? IMO, these may seem consistent only if u look at them as they are lined up here. Anything but that and we have no consistency at all. We still have characters much faster than the supposed sub rel Sasuke with problems at dodging lightning fast attacks, or even slower (fire style, water style, any other style comes to mind). We have minuto incapable of dodging ay physically, who was slower than he is now, even though we have minato as physically faster than tobirama, who could fight alive mandara in sage mode and perceive juubito's moves whom are both faster than ay. This is as consitent as naruto intelligence tbhTataHakai said:I'm staying neutral on this
However if we had someone dodge a stated lightspeed attack then have someone else relative to them stated to be stated to be near lightspeed then in any other verse that'd probably be accepted without argument.
Nah, this is false in regards to the Raikage. Lariat is literally holding their arm out and running in a straight line.MostPowerfull said:The only thing I'll say is ...
Travel Speed = / = Combat Speed.
Show me someone from Naruto to cross countries in an instant. After all, they are 4-digit Mach.
It is impossible for Tsunade and Ay to surprise Madara and Muu. Mainly because they are sensors. This is a legitimate feat.
"Travel Speed=/= Combat Speed".This is correct.MostPowerfull said:The only thing I'll say is ...
Travel Speed = / = Combat Speed.
Show me someone from Naruto to cross countries in an instant. After all, they are 4-digit Mach.
It is impossible for Tsunade and Ay to surprise Madara and Muu. Mainly because they are sensors. This is a legitimate feat.
Yes,exactly that.Which would warrent somwhat of an upgrade for Ay and Tsunade.If so,they scale towards Muu and this version of Madara's speed.M3X said:Rushing towards the enemy still combat speed
Do explain which feat you are referring to.M3X said:I am not talking about this feat, @Gogogozoom7
Then why does ichigo take nine hours to travel to SS from SK palace deposited being relativistic. It is called travel speed Vs combat speed. As you know.Rocker1189 said:Nah, this is false in regards to the Raikage. Lariat is literally holding their arm out and running in a straight line.
It's travel speed and the databook says it's light speed.
If he's supposedly light speed according to the databook then why did he need Mabui's light speed teleportation?
You see, it doesn't make sense and it's contradictory. All these supposed light speed statements from the databook only and none remaining consistent with the manga and it's events and feats.
It seems you're one of those people who can't distinguish what might be hyperbole, and what might be taken literally. "Universal Temari" was very obviously flowery text, not to be taken literally. Lariat on the other hand is quite straightforward.Gogogozoom7 said:Ah.I was unaware we were still on the Raikage's supposed light-speed lariats.I had refuted that in my rundown,so i'll repost it.
"Your quote of Ay's lightspeed lariat is from the guidebooks.A source from which we got quotes such as Universal Temari,Universe slicing Susanoo,or Planet-Cleaving Kinshiki.Unless you're capable of finding feats from Ay that come close to the speed of light,I find it better to dismiss the databook statement.Should a databook statement be backed up by multiple solid semblences of proof in the series,then this point is moot and this upgrade can be accepted. "
What im basically saying here is that lightspeed lariats should only be taken when backed up by more than one pieces concrete evidence within the series.I apologize for any confusion.
Its not about so called bad blood, its about staying consistent and not being hypocritical.Gogogozoom7 said:Try to leave other franchises out of this.It's best not to create any bad blood.Let us focus on Naruto solely.Rocker1189 said:Then why does ichigo take nine hours to travel to SS from SK palace deposited being relativistic. It is called travel speed Vs combat speed. As you know.
It does not matter how they do it. The point is one is consistent long distance movement the other one is short distance combat based movement.
you miss out a lot of things here. most of these are said with the bold text of the databooks which her indeed hyperbole and hype statements Ay's is not at all. Not to mention that the susanoo was never said to be universe slicing it was sayid to be able to destroy anything in the universe, still hyperbole but comepletely different meaning.Gogogozoom7 said:Ah.I was unaware we were still on the Raikage's supposed light-speed lariats.I had refuted that in my rundown,so i'll repost it.
"Your quote of Ay's lightspeed lariat is from the guidebooks.A source from which we got quotes such as Universal Temari,Universe slicing Susanoo,or Planet-Cleaving Kinshiki.Unless you're capable of finding feats from Ay that come close to the speed of light,I find it better to dismiss the databook statement.Should a databook statement be backed up by multiple solid semblences of proof in the series,then this point is moot and this upgrade can be accepted. "
What im basically saying here is that lightspeed lariats should only be taken when backed up by more than one pieces concrete evidence within the series.I apologize for any confusion.
Basically this.DarkDragonMedeus said:Guys, please don't do the following two things. Post overly long quotes that are easily readable above, go into too much detail about other verses; especially if it's considered "Opposite of Naruto".
Anyway, rushing into someone at short burst is more like combat speed, and I wouldn't use taking long periods to travel from country to country as a reason to argue against someone's combat speed feats.