Naruto Speed Revision (Mid Tiers)

[Aytugsss]

I made this CRT using Sasuke's 0.86c feat with his 3-Tomoe Sharingan to scale some characters higher. This way, I tried to find a solution for some speed differences that seemed strange to me. It may not be perfect, but there's no harm in trying.
First, I'll start with the Fourth Raikage.

V1 Lightning Cloak Raikage is stated to possess top-tier speed in both the manga and the databooks.
As shown in this panel,raikages v1 react speed is compared to Minato's, and it is also stated that the Sharingan cannot keep up with his movements.
The databook states that V1 Lightning Cloak increases both reaction speed and movement speed. It is also stated in the same databook that this form outpaced KCM1 Naruto and is fast enough to be compared to Minato.
There is other statements to;
Like bee said sasuke is the first one who dodge his v1 form after his brother And sasuke was able to dodge it because Bee's attack is linear.
İts valid because Bee cooked, three tomoe sasuke in his base form.
So v1 form raikage should be get 0.86c at least.
Raikage also should be get 1c with v1 form + shunshin because madara called him really fast.


For Ohnoki;
Ohnoki reacted Madara's yasaka magatama, along side gaara.
And after he get a flashback and gain emotional emprovement,he blocked Madara's clone susanoo attacks and saved raikage.
The emotional emprovement is valid because its already thing in verse page
And gaara gained similar power up because of this.

For Sage Mode Naruto;
Zetsu said " i think sage mode naruto is stronger than sasuke right know"this statement came after pain defeated by Naruto, and at that time Sasuke already had his mangekyo sharingan.So we can get sage mode naruto > sasuke
However he doesnt said anythibg about speed so we cant give naruto, fully scale of mangekyo sasuke.
But, sage mode most likely slower than ms Sasuke but he shouldnt be slower than him like 5x (most likely way more) because otherwise he that would mean he get blitzed by Sasuke which is contradict with zetsu's statement.
Even base form naruto was able to go hand to hand with deva path pain, the same pain who said 'this is my change' than attacked naruto ,that means base naruto is equal to deva path pain in taijutsu,naruto activated sage mode again and beat him.
Obito claimed sasuke is weaker than nagato after naruto beat pain.
So naruto should be get 0.86c scale from Sasuke.

Thats ot for now maybe i will ad few more characters later.

Raikage 0.86c scale. 1c scale
Agree: Agree:
Disagree: Tesstarossa Disagree:Testarossa

Ohnoki 1c scale
Agree:
Disagree:Testarossa

Sage Naruto 0.86 c statement
Agree:
Disagree: Testarossa

 

[Aytugsss]

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[karo_senpaii]

Before I do a comprehensive read, Please list out everyone that would be affected by this scaling and not just the 3 characters that you feel have direct scaling. There's a lot and we also need to pay attention to those.

Also rule out Sasuke interactions with be. That version of Sasuke isn't even real+. His chakra deepens and he gets a better grip of his abilities as times goes on and as his hatred depeens too. Sasuke can only scale to it from 5kage upwards

 

[ItsMeat]

Ohnoki 1c scale

Agree, fr, Ohnoki solos Dragon Ball

 

[Aytugsss]

Before I do a comprehensive read, Please list out everyone that would be affected by this scaling and not just the 3 characters that you feel have direct scaling. There's a lot and we also need to pay attention to those.

Also rule out Sasuke interactions with be. That version of Sasuke isn't even real+. His chakra deepens and he gets a better grip of his abilities as times goes on and as his hatred depeens too. Sasuke can only scale to it from 5kage upwards

Hatred seems valid but between sasuke vs bee and kage summit arcs is like 43 pages and not mor than a month
İ dont think he get so much faster

İf i get these scalings accepted im gonna do one more scaling for other charachters who also scaling to them,chsracters like 3 tomoe itahci, v1 killer bee react speed, kcm naruto and nagato would be scaled to them to

 

[Aytugsss]

Agree, fr, Ohnoki solos Dragon Ball

Are you vote agree?

 

[ItsMeat]

Are you vote agree?

Unfortunately, only staff votes count, so I'll stay neutral for now.

 

[Aytugsss]

Unfortunately, only staff votes count, so I'll stay neutral for now.

Okey

 

[karo_senpaii]

Hatred seems valid but between sasuke vs bee and kage summit arcs is like 43 pages and not mor than a month
İ dont think he get so much faster

You underestimate how much change can happen when we're dealing with MS. He just got his MS right before bee fight so it was relatively new. Karin statement of his chakra feeling much more thicker than his curse mark state prior is direct evidence that he got a significant amp..mind you he wasn't using ms then , just his sharingan. So yeah he got much faster

 

[Aytugsss]

You underestimate how much change can happen when we're dealing with MS. He just got his MS right before bee fight so it was relatively new. Karin statement of his chakra feeling much more thicker than his curse mark state prior is direct evidence that he got a significant amp..mind you he wasn't using ms then , just his sharingan. So yeah he got much faster

You seem right
İts feels like emotional emprovement tonme

 

[Aytugsss]

You underestimate how much change can happen when we're dealing with MS. He just got his MS right before bee fight so it was relatively new. Karin statement of his chakra feeling much more thicker than his curse mark state prior is direct evidence that he got a significant amp..mind you he wasn't using ms then , just his sharingan. So yeah he got much faster

The more hate he has the more he powerfull i guess
So can we call it emotional emprowment?

 

[Aytugsss]

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[AyOgUyS]

The more hate he has the more he powerfull i guess
So can we call it emotional emprowment?

I believe Rage Power is how we would index it

 

[Aytugsss]

I believe Rage Power is how we would index it

Yeah,isnt rage power different kind of emotional emprovement

 

[Testarossa002]

As shown in this panel,raikages v1 react speed is compared to Minato's,

By someone who's never seen Minato in action

it is also stated that the Sharingan cannot keep up with his movements.

Which is immediately disproven. Chidori doesn't amp the sharingan. That's kinda the main point of the jutsu

It is also stated in the same databook that this form outpaced KCM1 Naruto

Naruto isn't normally FTL. Naruto also outpaced V2. So the chain would look like this if nuance isn't applied

V2 > V1 > KCM 1 > V2

The nuance being that Naruto got mentally amped after the whole tirade about minato and kushina during the encounter with A
Also. Naruto has no scaling to the 0.8 calc outside of V2 A4

is fast enough to be compared to Minato.

Databook also says Minato > All shinobi and actually has feats to support it

Like bee said sasuke is the first one who dodge his v1 form after his brother And sasuke was able to dodge it because Bee's attack is linear.
İts valid because Bee cooked, three tomoe sasuke in his base form.

Bee has no scaling to the calc

Raikage also should be get 1c with v1 form + shunshin because madara called him really fast.

He called him real fast. Which he is. There's no comparison to anybody
Especially when Madara reacted to him anyway

Ohnoki reacted Madara's yasaka magatama, along side gaara.

Madara wasn't going all out against them

Zetsu said " i think sage mode naruto is stronger than sasuke right know"this statement came after pain defeated by Naruto, and at that time Sasuke already had his mangekyo sharingan.So we can get sage mode naruto > sasuke

Yeah. SM Naruto > THAT Sasuke. Doesn't have anything to do with the version that performed the feat as Sasuke was progressively getting more powerful as the arc went on

Obito claimed sasuke is weaker than nagato after naruto beat pain.

Same as above

 

[Aytugsss]

By someone who's never seen Minato in action

Databook also claimed thing.

Which is immediately disproven. Chidori doesn't amp the sharingan. That's kinda the main point of the jutsu

Chidori amps the user speed greatly thats why he was able to damage raikage

Naruto isn't normally FTL. Naruto also outpaced V2. So the chain would look like this if nuance isn't applied

Naruto only outspeed v2 raikage only because of shunshin
Before of it v1 raikage was easily react and attacked him like in the databook, he outpaced him.

The nuance being that Naruto got mentally amped after the whole tirade about minato and kushina during the encounter with A
Also. Naruto has no scaling to the 0.8 calc outside of V2 A4

He has no scaling thats why im going to do it if its gonna accepted
And kcm naruto isnt the main thing in this thread

Databook also says Minato > All shinobi and actually has feats to support it

We know minato is faster than raikage, but they are comporable ,comporable doesnt mean he raikage is faster

Bee has no scaling to the calc

Thats not the point

He called him real fast. Which he is. There's no comparison to anybody
Especially when Madara reacted to him anyway

Madara doesnt react him fully
He got send to the ground , and his statement is important because hes far faster than 3 tomoe sasuke ,even faster than ms sasuke

Madara wasn't going all out against them

That doesnt change the fact,there is no prove he makes yasaka no magatama slower intentionally, he wasnt serious because when he get serious ,he uses susanoo full body

Yeah. SM Naruto > THAT Sasuke. Doesn't have anything to do with the version that performed the feat as Sasuke was progressively getting more powerful as the arc went on

Naruto claimed tho stronger than ms sasuke, and not much time has passed between two event ,sasuke didnt train or fight, and when he did the feat, sasuke is weakened because of raikage fight
So the chain scale should be like this if you ask me
Kage summit Ms Sasuke> sage naruto> pain arc ms sasuke > kage summit 3 tomoe sharingan sasuke> pain arc 3 tomoe sharingan sasuke > weakened kage summit 3 tomoe sasuke

Same as above

Again , not much time has passed between those two event

 

[Testarossa002]

Chidori amps the user speed greatly thats why he was able to damage raikage

Chidori amps the movement speed. The whole point of the sharingan in this equation is to properly react to the speed of the chidori user. Again, it does NOT amp the sharingan perception

Naruto only outspeed v2 raikage only because of shunshin

Even if I accept this to be true, it just means Naruto wasn't using Shunshin before that point, ergo, no scaling for V1
Naruto doesn't have any other scaling route outside of V2 Ay

We know minato is faster than raikage, but they are comporable ,comporable doesnt mean he raikage is faster

Yeah....in V2. V1 is significantly faster than V2. V1 cannot be slightly slower than Minato while V2 (a blitz level increase) is still slower than Minato

That doesnt change the fact,there is no prove he makes yasaka no magatama slower intentionally, he wasnt serious because when he get serious ,he uses susanoo full body

No? He was deliberately getting hit with their attacks (case in point, Ohnoki) to prove a point even though he can actually react to said attacks without issue

Madara doesnt react him fully
He got send to the ground , and his statement is important because hes far faster than 3 tomoe sasuke ,even faster than ms sasuke

What sort of leap is this?
Madara wasn't even focused on A4 and still blocked him. He got sent to the ground because he was mid-air (doesn't even have to do with speed)
Madara is not comparing the raikage to anybody. Not sure what Sasuke (who he hasn't met at this point) has to do with this

Naruto claimed tho stronger than ms sasuke, and not much time has passed between two event ,sasuke didnt train or fight,

Read the manga dawg
Sasuke was getting progressively stronger because of the Curse of Hatred. Not because he trained.

when he did the feat, sasuke is weakened because of raikage fight
So the chain scale should be like this if you ask me
Kage summit Ms Sasuke> sage naruto> pain arc ms sasuke > kage summit 3 tomoe sharingan sasuke> pain arc 3 tomoe sharingan sasuke > weakened kage summit 3 tomoe sasuke

It wasn't until the fight against Mei that his chakra dropped to any significant level so this is just wrong.

Again , not much time has passed between those two event

Again, completely irrelevant
Bee fight sasuke was weaker than Hebi Sasuke
FKS sasuke in base was already as strong as CM2 Hebi sasuke
The gap in strength isn't close

Anyway, since this is a CRT, we don't have to go on and on
Just mark me as disagreeing for all

 

[Aytugsss]

Chidori amps the movement speed. The whole point of the sharingan in this equation is to properly react to the speed of the chidori user. Again, it does NOT amp the sharingan perception

İ never said its amps the sharingan perpection, im saying sasuke is able to hit raikage because he used chidori

Even if I accept this to be true, it just means Naruto wasn't using Shunshin before that point, ergo, no scaling for V1
Naruto doesn't have any other scaling route outside of V2 Ay

The point is not naruto but naruto has scaling route because of itachi and nagato,which later im going to. Make a new crt after this for their scaling. ,its not important right now

Yeah....in V2. V1 is significantly faster than V2. V1 cannot be slightly slower than Minato while V2 (a blitz level increase) is still slower than Minato

Databook talked about v1 raikage who outpaces naruto not v2
İ mean it could be exaggerating but nothing more
And v2 is not signkficantly faster than v1 if i remember corretly

No? He was deliberately getting hit with their attacks (case in point, Ohnoki) to prove a point even though he can actually react to said attacks without issue

Ohnoki's case is not the same as raikages case ,its whole different cases, when madara said 'real fast' with seriousnes

What sort of leap is this?
Madara wasn't even focused on A4 and still blocked him. He got sent to the ground because he was mid-air (doesn't even have to do with speed)
Madara is not comparing the raikage to anybody. Not sure what Sasuke (who he hasn't met at this point) has to do with this

İ never said madara compored raikage ,im saying madara could be far faster than sasuke and he called v1 raikage fast

Read the manga dawg
Sasuke was getting progressively stronger because of the Curse of Hatred. Not because he trained.

It wasn't until the fight against Mei that his chakra dropped to any significant level so this is just wrong.

Again, completely irrelevant
Bee fight sasuke was weaker than Hebi Sasuke
FKS sasuke in base was already as strong as CM2 Hebi sasuke
The gap in strength isn't close

Anyway, since this is a CRT, we don't have to go on and on
Just mark me as disagreeing for all

Okay if you whish

 

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