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Naruto's lightspeed statements and their consistency

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Hi. I am afraid of this thread but let's go. Here it is some lightspeed statements, and I will show their consistency with scaling.

Statements

Consistency
Sasuke reacted to the Samurai attack, of course, react to a LS attack may not be LS feat, can be higher, can be lower. My calc gaves me rel+ results. That same Sasuke later was blizted by Ay, which is mentioned to go near the speed of light. So, Ay blizted someone Rel+ and has a statement for his speed

The same Sasuke had reacted to the Bee's Lariat and also dodged. Which makes even more consistent the level of Ay and Sasuke (which is serving as a stepladder)

Madara reacted to Tsunade and Ay while they were both on the teleport, not a SoL feat and did not even come close, I suppose, but it was casual and it's a support feat. Madara reacted to Ay with Onoki amp, and even called him fast, we have so far

- Blizted a Relativistic+ character and dodged Bee's lariat

- Can fight with Madara, Madara reacted to the teleport.

In addition, Naruto in a weak version dodged Ay using all his speed, after gaining a huge up, Madara reacts to an attempt of blitz of this Naruto. And that Naruto himself also intercepts the Madara from miles away.

Summary
Ay

  • Quote of moving near the light
  • Blizted those who react to attacks at the speed of light (Rel +) and one almost at the speed of light (Bee Lariat)
  • It has the speed exalted by Madara that is as fast as him
  • Dodged from Bee's Lariat like Sasuke
Ay with cloak (blizted) > MS Sasuke > Hebi Sasuke = Sub-Relativistic

Madara

  • Reacts to Mabui's SoL teleport
  • Reacts to Ay with amp
  • React to Naruto
Naruto

  • Reacts to Ay at point blank range
  • Intercept Madara a mile away
- Sasuke

  • Dodged from Bee's Lariat
  • Reacts to the attack of the Samurai, wich is SoL
Is this an outlier?
Hmm, no. Fodders can peform Mach 6800 feats, and a weaker Sasuke can peform Sub-Relativistic feats.

Conclusion
I think there is more evidence, but thats enough to prove their speed.
 
I'm still iffy on this even after off-site discussion, but outside of the question of reaction timing/combat speed I'm fine with the feats that just scale to short-burst movement speeds.
 
Extremely neutral in it.

But apparently it appears that A and Tsunade are coming and attacked Madara in the meantime. So I guess that part is fine.
 
I'm staying neutral on this

However if we had someone dodge a stated lightspeed attack then have someone else relative to them stated to be stated to be near lightspeed then in any other verse that'd probably be accepted without argument.

Also if it helps, Issen is literally a release of Beams of light by Mifune
Mifunes
 
It's amazing how the guy reads the thread but comments on the only irrelevant thing. I'm not going to answer this about Sasuke so I will not start an unnecessary discussion
 
It is logically inconsistent.

Sasuke uses Kirin (a natural lightning-speed jutsu) against Itachi specifically because of its speed and he thought there would be no chance of avoiding it.

Yet not long after he just casually deflects lightspeed attacks? That is a pretty huge leap.
 
Kirin's speed is relative to the values used.

It can range from Sub-Rel to MHS
 
I don't think any of this should be accepted. Ay certainly isn't anywhere near Light Speed. Hell even in One Piece which has a lot more supportive evidence didn't get LS untill recently via databook, statements and scientific accuracy. If Kizaru of all people needed this much evidence for being LS then this shouldn't get accepted
 
It means nothing and leaves nothing inconsistent. Various characters in fiction are faster than their own attacks. You talk as if Kirin was an ordinary thunderbolt, which goes to 440000 m/s, but forgets that even fodder as Shino are Mach 6800. And it's not a huge lap. A Mangekyou Sharingan is magnitudes above a normal Sharingan
 
The Prince of Counters said:
I don't think any of this should be accepted. Ay certainly isn't anywhere near Light Speed. Hell even in One Piece which has a lot more supportive evidence didn't get LS untill recently via databook, statements and scientific accuracy. If Kizaru of all people needed this much evidence for being LS then this shouldn't get accepted
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Lol, you gave no argument. "I don't think any of this should be accepted. Ay certainly isn't anywhere near Light Speed." this means nothing. You need arguments
 
One piece has nothing to do with this, if you want to argue one piece speed feats I would support you.

Ay is clearly stated to be light speed and there are numerous light speed statements inclusing people that fire light beams with their sword. Also most of this is from databooks so I am really not sure what your argument is.
 
The Prince of Counters said:
I don't think any of this should be accepted. Ay certainly isn't anywhere near Light Speed. Hell even in One Piece which has a lot more supportive evidence didn't get LS untill recently via databook, statements and scientific accuracy. If Kizaru of all people needed this much evidence for being LS then this shouldn't get accepted
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Kizaru was always LS with yata no kagami

We just didn't accept his other attacks as LS until a databook statement, which by the way was all that was needed, there's nothing in the manga that suggests lightspeed movement for anyone besides Kizaru asking if someone has ever been kicked at the speed of light
 
It is extremely consistent.

What he says does not matter, when made and the manga itself refute what was said.
Feats >> Statement

It's not ... Going from Sub-Rel to Rel after awakening a new power, it's not a leap...
 
If we are accepting statements.. wouldn't that make haku,part 1 sasuke&naruto and alot of low tiers light speed?
 
Yeah this would make them lightspeed. Nice found Sekkonds
 
Sekkonds. said:
If we are accepting statements.. wouldn't that make haku,part 1 sasuke&naruto and alot of low tiers light speed?
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No because in Naruto and sasuke's case those are clear outliers.
 
Also what manga statements are there actually? Because what I'm seeing looks mostly like databook statements which could easily be hyperbolic.
 
There's a reason certain statements are accepted and certain are deemed as clear outliers. Not every single statement under the sun is accepted but those that are consistent and are logical within the context of the story or the arc should be.
 
Simply the fact that the Databook explanations do not contradict the feats (they literally maintains consistency, kek!). Claiming to be hyperbole without any facts, is meaningless.
 
How many times do these LS statements have to be repeated before they apparently stop being hyperbolic? Seriously.
 
Damage3245 said:
Also what manga statements are there actually? Because what I'm seeing looks mostly like databook statements which could easily be hyperbolic.
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They are not hyperbolic an dmatch up with what we see.
 
Jvando said:
How many times do these LS statements have to be repeated before they're apparently stop being hyperbolic? Seriously.
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now you know what it feels like trying to upgrade servants speed ovo
 
  • Reacts to Mabui's SoL teleport
From the look of it the light of the teleportation hit Madara and Mu before the Raikage and Tsunade hit them.

So it doesn't look conclusive that Madara actually reacted to them moving at lightspeed. Seems just as likely to me that they teleported in front of Madara, and then Madara just reacted to Tsunade's kick.
 
A lot of verses use speed statements like that to upgrade, I don't know why this is different with Naruto, Bleach or even OP (The last one was accepted, but still)
 
Paul Frank said:
now you know what it feels like trying to upgrade servants speed ovo
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At least you were finally able to upgrade the god tiers to 3-A/low 2-C with statements
 
Damage3245 said:
*Reacts to Mabui's SoL teleport
From the look of it the light of the teleportation hit Madara and Mu before the Raikage and Tsunade hit them.

So it doesn't look conclusive that Madara actually reacted to them moving at lightspeed. Seems just as likely to me that they teleported in front of Madara, and then Madara just reacted to Tsunade's kick.
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Nope, she was still moving in light speed, you can tell with the glow around them that they were still under the effect of the mabui. not to mention that even before they were hit they reacted to it coming on screen as you can in the first image.
 
Sekkonds. said:
If we are accepting statements.. wouldn't that make haku,part 1 sasuke&naruto and alot of low tiers light speed?
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No.

Really, there is zero need to explain this particular bit.
 
Damage3245 said:
Also what manga statements are there actually? Because what I'm seeing looks mostly like databook statements which could easily be hyperbolic.
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Those statements are usually having their own hype texts. In other words the statements here aren't hyp text at all because the abilities are being explained

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This right here is a hype text if anyone never read the DB
 
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