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Naruto vs JJK - Sasuke vs Toji

Ehhhh not a big fan of this argument as Toji was ya know, taken off guard by Gojo coming back and coming back vastly stronger than before. That Red was also fired at point blank, along with having some gnarly range. Red is also gravity manipulation which isn't exactly easy to dodge.
He really wasn't taken off guard when they fight though, he squares up and his ready for Gojo. And yeah it was close range, I'm saying Sasuke with his speed amps would be able to hit Toji at these distances.
 
He really wasn't taken off guard when they fight though.
Removing someone from the census then them magically being added back to the census would definitely cause levels of confusion.
he squares up and his ready for Gojo. And yeah it was close range, I'm saying Sasuke with his speed amps would be able to hit Toji at these distances.
And before that Toji was literally asking if Gojo was high or not. He was prepared to fight but he was obviously still confused as to what was going on. As for the speed amp, depends how good it is. Maki can avoid being blitzed with her Analytical Prediction and Toji is much more experienced than Maki.


Sasuke also can't really risk spamming all of his Jujutsu since his Chakra reserves aren't massive at this point.
 
Sasuke as a teenager with a better Sharingan couldn't copy Killer Bee's movements and got skill stomped even with his Analytical Prediction.
Killer Bee is because of his style of fighting though, Toji doesn't fight in such a complex manner similar to that at all. Toji's way of fighting is very basic and just looking at his showings against Geto, Dagon and Megumi you can see that. Meanwhile Sasuke's precog lets him copy people from one exchange, lets him keep up with Haku, Orochimaru, Naruto, Lee, all more complex fighters when it comes to close combat.

Removing someone from the census then them magically being added back to the census would definitely cause levels of confusion.
Yet Toji was completely ready against Gojo. Nothing shows confusion in combat, only in him still being alive. This really shouldn't throw off someone as skilled as Toji should it?

As for the speed amp, depends how good it is. Maki can avoid being blitzed with her Analytical Prediction and Toji is much more experienced than Maki.
Sasuke's amp with the chidori and the curse mark let him blitz Gaara, who was previously just pressing Sasuke in first partial transformation then got faster in his second transformation and Sasuke with cm can still hit Gaara before Gaara hits. And being more skilled, isn't gonna let Toji magically predict better than Maki, its the same senses nothing implies Toji is any better with it.
 
Killer Bee is because of his style of fighting though, Toji doesn't fight in such a complex manner similar to that at all.
But that still proves that Sasuke's incapable of copying all of his opponents movements. There have been plenty of times where Sasuke hasn't copied his opponents fighting style so its not something he does consistently.

Plus even if Sasuke did copy his movements, he wouldnt get the full benefit since Toji is using his own skill set + cursed tools to make them as good as they are. Furthermore, when has Sasuke ever copied Taijutsu rather than Jutsu?
Toji's way of fighting is very basic and just looking at his showings against Geto.
Not being flashy =/= Not being skilled. Blud literally steam rolled Geto, he doesn't need to use martial arts to be skilled.
Dagon and Megumi you can see that.
That was Puppet of Carnage Toji who's essentially a mindless beast. That's not fair in any way shape or form to discredit his skill with.
Meanwhile Sasuke's precog lets him copy people from one exchange.
Sasuke doesnt have Precognition, he has Analytical prediciton. Analytical Prediction thats negged before.
lets him keep up with Haku.
Haku was kicking Naruto's and Sasuke's ass. He also had Naruto there to aid him, so its pretty disingenuous for you to say that Sasuke was keeping up despite being blitzed, beaten and stabbed by Haku for the majority of the fight.
Orochimaru.
Kid Sasuke never beat Orochimaru, the fight wasn't long and Orochimaru obviously was holding back. If Orochimaru wanted to he could have very easily killed Sasuke back then.
You mean the high difficulty fight? Yeah, lets not pretend Sasuke was negging Naruto via skill because they were about even back then.
Lee, all more complex fighters when it comes to close combat.
Lee literally humiliated Sasuke and Naruto within the same day mate. Speaking of Lee, again Sasuke was incapable of predicting his moves or copying them. Also you know they're more complex due to them having Jutsu's to utilize right? (Barring Lee the Chad. ) Toji doesn't have the luxury of having supernatural powers to aid him in close qauters like how Haku, Orochimaru and Naruto do. It's not 100% skill for them, it's skill that's aided by their respective Jutsu outside of Lee.
Yet Toji was completely ready against Gojo.
After awhile, shit even being hit by Red Toji was stilled confused as to how Gojo suddenly got new abilities. And it was at point blank range.
Nothing shows confusion in combat, only in him still being alive. This really shouldn't throw off someone as skilled as Toji should it?
Being skilled =/= being prepared for everything. You do realize how ridiculous it is to use this as an argument whenever I can do the same with Sasuke. Such as Sasuke being taken off by Lee's Taijutsu, failing to avoid his attacks, being taken off guard by Haku's ice mirrors, etc.


They shouldn't throw off someone as skilled as Sasuke right?
Sasuke's amp with the chidori and the curse mark let him blitz Gaara, who was previously just pressing Sasuke in first partial transformation then got faster in his second transformation and Sasuke with cm can still hit Gaara before Gaara hits.
Sasuke damn sure does not start off with his Curse Mark.
And being more skilled isn't gonna let Toji magically predict better than Maki, its the same senses nothing implies Toji is any better with it.
Yeah no, not how that works. Maki is vastly less experienced with her HR gifts, Toji's been using it for significantly longer therefore he'd be better with it than someone who's had it half as long as he did.
 
Voting Sasuke.

His precognition far outclasses Toji's own, and Sasukes precognition along with the jutsu he can use is just crazy.
Sasuke had copied lee's movements by this point, And I think its fairly agreeable that Lee outskills Toji.
 
His precognition far outclasses Toji's own, and Sasukes precognition along with the jutsu he can use is just crazy.
Irrelevant since Toji has the better tactic.

Toji typically won’t go head on until he believes he has gathered enough information about his target and is confident to take them head on. Often just going stealth and/or baiting his opponent to attack to learn what he’s all about before acting accordingly.

Once Toji experiences Sasuke’s starting moves, he would become wary about him and keep attacking to test what more he can do or just go stealth and dispatch him very quickly.

It’s stated that Toji is so good at stealth that no one has ever noticed him behind them ever (except Mr. Nah I’d win; and no it’s not because they couldn’t sense his CE, these people couldn’t use their 5 senses as well). This is not even accounting his years of experience as an assassin. No matter how casual he stands or walks behind people, his presence is never felt.

It’s also implied that Toji’s stealth attacks aim to kill in a single blow or set of killing blows. The former was shown when Toji failed to kill Gojo on their first encounter, and his reason was mainly because he was rusty. Fortunately, this is Toji in his prime in this match so Sasuke better be able to survive a stab to the heart or have the endurance and pain tolerance to fight back and keep fighting after being stabbed several times on his body and before Toji stabs the head.



other shit:

  • Then there’s the fact that Toji can amp all his stats by disclosing his heavenly restriction to Sasuke.
  • Toji’s LS should scale above Itadori who can throw cars, so I bet he could man handle Sasuke while stabbing him to death. Can also be used defensively to disarm or break parts of his body.
  • Pain tolerance, Stamina, Endurance, Mobility (including change directions by interacting mid air), his own precognition, enhanced senses (to counter stealth), physical toughness to the point of being heat resistant or resistant to bladed weaponry, cursed spirits (distraction), to get out of practically anything Sasuke throws at him.
  • whichever shit I can’t remember rn because of my finals tomorrow.
 
Irrelevant since Toji has the better tactic.

Toji typically won’t go head on until he believes he has gathered enough information about his target and is confident to take them head on. Often just going stealth and/or baiting his opponent to attack to learn what he’s all about before acting accordingly.

Once Toji experiences Sasuke’s starting moves, he would become wary about him and keep attacking to test what more he can do or just go stealth and dispatch him very quickly.
Sasuke actually does this too against Kakashi during the Bell Test.
 
Sasuke actually does this too against Kakashi during the Bell Test.
Wasn’t this mentioned already? With that one scan?

It doesn’t really matter if Sasuke has stealth if Toji can snort changes in air molecules and detect his targets far away and out of sight (like when he found Geto and the girl). Not to mention Toji is way better at stealth.
 
His precognition far outclasses Toji's own, and Sasukes precognition along with the jutsu he can use is just crazy.
Sasuke had copied lee's movements by this point, And I think its fairly agreeable that Lee outskills Toji.
No it isn't lol. Sasuke's precog is dogwater compared to Toji's.
 
No it isn't lol. Sasuke's precog is dogwater compared to Toji's.
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Sasuke is not getting hit by Toji given Sharingan precog. Sasuke can also enhance his speed to become faster than Toji. Chidori and CS1 will finish Toji in the end.

He also has knowledge about the location, so this is a plus.
toji is able to Decipher very well what a person can do in battle at the peak of his five senses thanks to heavenly restraint, and there is a big range difference between them, toji can win this battle
 
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