Yeah I see what you mean here but given Toji's senses I don't think the knowledge will be all that good, Sasuke's movements will simply be picked up and Sasuke will struggle landing something like Chidori as Gianny said above.
Toji has anlytical prediction so they neither of them would really be getting hit
Ask Naoya how well that worked against Maki
Honestly more of an advantage for Toji since he'd be doing acrobatics across the trees
Sasuke is smarter than Naoya lets not do that to him. Naoya was also being dumb in that fight and he can't easily change his movements unlike Sasuke
Sasuke's a ninja lmao, Toji isn't much in the acrobats department like ninjas are. Also sharingan can allow him to copy people like Lee
Been a minute since i read Naruto but doesn't Chidori force you to move in a straight line?
Yes it does. But I ain't really only saying chidori here, Sasuke has other weapons to use you know? He can pull out blades or kunai and get in close to stab Toji instead.
The same goes for Toji though.
Well, not really, Sasuke is a much better fighter than Toji and his precog is able to predict fighters of his caliber too.
Sasuke is not only way smarter than both Naoya and Maki, he's also getting way faster than Naoya was against Maki.
Absolutely not. Sasuke is a ninja.
Anime only + the only acrobatics feats Toji has is his profile stating that he can do the same as Maki, which is fodder.
This is what ninjas do, and Sasuke'd be doing this while also surface scaling.
So does Toji, if anything Toji has a far better variety of weapons
Can you give me some skill feats for Sasuke, again it's been a bit since i read Naruto
And Toji's AP is able to predict fighters far faster than him
When was chidori shown to be that big of a speed increase? Cause Naoya was reaction blitzing Maki, but then couldn't land a hit on her after she got he enhnced senses
It's canon in my heart
He copied Lee's style, which is years and years of hard working in a few weeks (the training he had with Kakashi). Lee's style is based on being agile and hitting the target with super speed. Sasuke is also able to effortlessly dominate two high grades ninjas the moment they stood a foot outside Kohona. In terms of fighting, he's always been better than Naruto and can dominate him even with clones to help.
AP? I think you meant precog right? I know that his precog can do it, it's just that the difference in speed between Sasuke with speed amp by shunshin or CS1 will be much grater than Mach 3 and Maki.
When Sasuke first used it against Gaara. Chidori is noted to grant a huge boost in speed when used.
Also canon in my heart:
Maki was also able to defeat an entire clan of elite sorcerers before even reaching Toji's level, so aside from the copying stuff (which is just a byprodut of the Sharingan rather than pure skill), they are prett comparable skill wise
Ap as in analytical prediction
Speed is equalized so idk why you are bringing up the mach 3 stuff. In terms of pure speed boost nothing mentioned in the Gaara fight puts Chidori at reaction blitz levels above Sasuke's normal speed, like Naoya was to Maki
Peak animation nglAlso canon in my heart:
Yeah but she was already much stronger than them. She was speedblitzing them and one shotting, not a lot of skill in there. Lee's skills is part of his skills now lol, it isn't just a byproduct of Sharingan, Sasuke had to master his techniques. They're for sure not comparable skill wise.
Maki can react and predict an opponent faster than her, a Mach 3 character. Sasuke with amped speed will be faster than Naoya at that point. The difference in speed between Sasuke amping his speed to speedblitzing characters equal to him is higher than the difference between Naoya and Maki.
There's Chidori, Shunshin and CS1. I also didn't say he was gonna blitz with Chidori, just that Chidori is a hitkill.
Same with Sasuke beating up random ninjas and Naruto's clones
I meant that sasuke copying Lee's techniques was a byproduct of the Sharingan rather than pure skill
Iirc he hasn't used Shunshin and Chidori at the same time, they are separte techniques. With that in mind you haven't proven the speed increase from Chidori is greater than the difference betwen Maki and Naoya (i keep bringing this up cause it shows the sheer speed difference that Toji's senses can cover)
But... Sasuke wasn't stronger than them? lol.
I mean yeah, but does it have to do with the fight anyway?
Brother I never said that. You're fighting an invisible enemy now.
I don't need to, because I never said he'd be using Chidori to blitz, just to finish.
He is stronger than Naruto in early part 1, and that's on top of shadow clones having 0 durability. I think i confused the other ninja you were talking about
Idk felt like arguing a bit
Ok can you explain what your arguament for Sasuke blitzing Toji is cause i think something's been lost here
The key used here is mid Part 1, not early. And there is no scaling of Sasuke being > Naruto. They are at most relative during Chunnin Exams.
Yeah, but the point is outskilling them clones.
Here and here.
No blitz argument, I just said Sasuke will be faster with speed amp, and Toji's precog won't be able to help, because the speed difference will be higher than what his precog can track.
Somewhow the forum didn't link the manga
Truly one of the forums of all time
Early Sasuke is stated contantly to be stronger than early Naruto, he then trains with Kaksahi for the exams and gets even stronger
Which means he'd have to be fast enough to blitz Toji or even beyond that. Since Naoya was blitzing Maki yet couldn't land a hit on her after she got the enhanced senses
Checked the chapter and it's not that impessive. He throws a shuriken to stun them a bit, kicks them once then gets saved by Kakashi
Sharingan pre-cog is not really comparable to Toji's. Sharingan pre-cog is reliant on visual indicators which just pre-trace trajectories for movements. This also is heavily mitigated by being outsped/outpowered (not saying that's the case here just that it's an inherent weakness to shari-precog).That's well below being locked into the environment and receiving information for several dozens to hundreds of meters away from several sense modalities and is much more resistant to speed gaps.
The speed stuff doesn't matter it's been equalized, and also Sasuke's far faster if we're gonna talk about speed here, his sharingan keeps up with hhs, not mach 3 like Maki's. Also the range won't matter here either, Sasuke always tries closing in on people during pt1, or at the least isn't fighting from hundreds of meters away.
You missed the point of my post as I explicitly mentioned Toji being faster wasn't necessarily the case. I was comparing how both forms of sensing dealt with speed gaps shown in their own verse.
This has no bearing on the speed gap I am discussing.
Once again, this is completely irrelevant to my post. I'm talking about the quality of each shown in their respective verses, not cross scaling quantities between them.
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