Naruto versus DBZ is finally real, and the ninja protagonist takes on some cannon fodder to carve his path!

[ChosenOrDeath]

Saibaman via Golden Void reasons

 

[AstralKing7]

why isnt this close

 

[CryoTheMayo]

...Naruto. I have no idea how anyone would argue for the Saibaman here. Naruto has ridiculous experience, adaptive capabilities, a diverse toolset etc etc. Not to mention his regenerative abilities and Kurama cloak for defenses. Could somebody explain to me the logic of having a Saibaman as Tier 5-B by the way? The earliest possible implication of planetary busters existing was Vegeta and that was with every drop of his base power and even then it would have arguably only razed the surface of the Earth rather than outright destroying it. Was it handled by scaling of moon-busting feats? Cuz power levels don't scale...like at all so I don't think that quite works. At most I would personally rate Raditz/Saibamen at Mid-High 5-C with Nappa being low 5-B and Vegeta being 5-B.

Even ignoring my own criticisms of the scaling, I don't think the Saibaman would win against Naruto either way. You have a stupid creature designed for kamikaze attacks against a person that can regenerate and just block it with an energy cloak, combined with the substitution technique and shadow clones.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

...Naruto. I have no idea how anyone would argue for the Saibaman here. Naruto has ridiculous experience, adaptive capabilities, a diverse toolset etc etc. Not to mention his regenerative abilities and Kurama cloak for defenses. Could somebody explain to me the logic of having a Saibaman as Tier 5-B by the way? The earliest possible implication of planetary busters existing was Vegeta and that was with every drop of his base power and even then it would have arguably only razed the surface of the Earth rather than outright destroying it. Was it handled by scaling of moon-busting feats? Cuz power levels don't scale...like at all so I don't think that quite works. At most I would personally rate Raditz/Saibamen at Mid-High 5-C with Nappa being low 5-B and Vegeta being 5-B.
Even ignoring my own criticisms of the scaling, I don't think the Saibaman would win against Naruto either way. You have a stupid creature designed for kamikaze attacks against a person that can regenerate and just block it with an energy cloak, combined with the substitution technique and shadow clones.

I direct you to this calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Piccolo's_Moonbust_revisited Which conclusively proves that Piccolo was low-end planet level by busting the moon as he did, based solely on the manga.

 

[AstralKing7]

so saibamen scale to a low end??

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

so saibamen scale to a low end??

They scale to being stronger by an unknown amount from a low-end 5-B feat.

So, like...Idk, maybe 100 zettatons if you wanna be generous? Piccolo's was 69.69 zettatons (lol).

Naruto at his weakest is just above baseline planet level, though, so it's still pretty close tbh

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Naruto at his weakest is just above baseline planet level, though, so it's still pretty close tbh

Naruto is 100 ZT

 

[Huesito88]

The Saibamen is equal to Raditz, who with a sample of his power could one shot Piccolo

 

[BMWFanboy]

Naruto isn't just above Planet level, he actually scales to 100 Zt. Saibamen only scales to 70 Zt and you can add a few >>> but that doesn't change the fact that he loses badly

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I don't disagree with y'all. I voted for Naruto after all, I'm just looking at the low-end calc that made Naruto Planet-level in the first place.

 

[BMWFanboy]

We use the mid end

 

[Frantzy12]

This can't even be added lol it's a stomp.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

not really..

anyway

why are people still posting on this thread?

it's been concluded

drop the subject or make a new post on the Discussion board

 

[BMWFanboy]

It wasn't closed

 

[Golden_Void]

>Not a stomp

Naruto scales above the saibaman and his arsenal puts him to shame. His suicide attack even if it goes off, is not strong enough (69(+) vs 100 or 200 zettatons at least), and Naruto has his super healing.