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Naruto Upgrades

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5-B Base Naruto

Base Naruto is current labeled as "Unknown" and this shouldn't be the case. Naruto should be 5-B.

Naruto Feats:

  • Naruto was able to Block and Tank hits and keep up with Moomoshiki before needing RSM to keep up, here and here
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Sasuke Physical 5-B Feats (Supporting):

Momoshiki Physical 5-B Feats (Supporting):

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Naruto and Sasuke when Fighting Madara/Kaguya/Momoshiki have both been shown to be comparable. They scale to Each other. The difference is, Sasuke is faster than Naruto's Base. This has always been the case since part 1. Naruto can react, but his overall, Sasuke is faster. This is Illustrated when both him and Naruto Clash in VoTE with Sasuke and not being able to move off Hashirama's Head and with Momoshiki in the scans above. Naruto's Cloak only really buffs his speed. But interms of AP, he's in the same ball park.

Toneri Scaling to 5-B

Naruto has 2 Casual feats Putting him above Base Naruto with a non-full power Tenseigan:

From here, as you know, Toneri goes on to fight Naruto's Chakra Mode Evenly with Tenseigan Chakra Mode Naruto's Chakra mode is 5-B as it is above his Base, which is 5-B. Speaking of Which, Toneri needs 3 Keys: Base (No Eyes) | Base (Tenseigan) | Tenseigan Chakra Mode. Only the two latter have feats.

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Tl;dr:

  • Base Naruto is 5-B physically scaling from Sasuke and Momoshiki
  • Base Naruto is 5-B in AP for providing the Chakra to kill an amped Momoshiki
  • Base Toneri (With Tenseigan) and Tenseigan Chakra Mode Toneri scale to 5-B for Overpowering Naruto on Several occasions and fighting his Chakra Mode Evenly.
NOTE: My 2 Yotaton Naruto upgrades has to happen later given I have to study for a Mid-Term, but it's coming.
 
This is obviously outright straight scaling and shouldn't be denied. The scaling is super consistent.

Naruto inherits Hags body which makes him physically stronger than Sasuke anyway.

This is just basic facts for the knowledgeable members of the verse.

Also if anyone is wondering about why he put 5A it's a mistake and should be 5B scaling
 
AstralKing7 said:
This is obviously outright straight scaling and shouldn't be denied. The scaling is super consistent.
Naruto inherits Hags body which makes him physically stronger than Sasuke anyway.

This is just basic facts for the knowledgeable members of the verse.

Also if anyone is wondering about why he put 5A it's a mistake and should be 5B scaling
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I edited it. Didn't realize I put 5-A, lol
 
Naruto Feats:

Boruto killed Momoshiki with a Rasengan that was amplified by Naruto's Chakra
That's not that impressive when Momoshiki was knocked back by Boruto's regular Rasengan.

Naruto was able to Block and Tank hits and keep up with Moomoshiki before needing RSM to keep up, here and here
This isn't keeping up. Naruto isn't landing any hits, has Momoshiki popping up behind him and getting hit by Momoshiki since he can't keep up to block. In fact, Naruto needs to cloak up to actually keep up. And Momshiki's strength at this time is not 5-B:

1) Kicking and knocking out the 8-A or 7-C (it's being discussed atm) Darui.

2) Having his punched blocked by the 7-A Gaara and having to go around the sand to attack Gaara. Yet, Momoshiki only knocks out Gaara as well.

3) Kicking and knocking out Chojuro who has no profile (as well as no feats above Tier 7).

4) Punching and knocking out Kurotsuchi who has no profile (as well as no feats above Tier 7).

Naruto when fighting Sasuke in VoTE 2 was able to tank and match Sasuke's force in a cross-arm block thing
This isn't 5-B. Here is Sasuke's Striking Strength rating for his Rinnegan Key:

Planet Class with Perfect Susano'o (Easily sliced through Madara's meteors)

Sasuke's last Striking Strength rating that isn't based on Susano'o was his CS2 Key:

Mountain Class+ in CS2

Sasuke Physical 5-B Feats (Supporting):

Withstand a direct blow from Six Paths Madara's Limbo who expressed the want to kill them
This isn't withstanding a direct blow from a Limbo Clone. If you look at the previous panel, Sasuke is in motion and mid-strike. Sasuke was doing the blow.

Able to withstand being Tossed around by Kaguya whom made both him and SPSM Naruto exclaim
I honestly don't see this as a feat since neither were even hurt or scratched when they got up, Kakashi notes this in the same scan.

Boruto Movie Databook Statements (Which have been portrayed via Both the Naruto Manga and Boruto Manga to be correct)
This statement doesn't tell us which Sasuke. For all we know it could be their peaks with Kurama and Susano'o, which is true that they are equal in strength as we saw in VotE 2. Also, this is a databook statement about a non-canon movie since the manga overrides it as well as the anime adaption of the manga.

Momoshiki Physical 5-B Feats (Supporting):

Able to withstand serious blows from Naruto and Sasuke
Adult Naruto's Striking Strength is rated as Planet Class with Six Paths Mode; however, Adult Sasuke's Profile needs a clean up. It doesn't even carry over the ratings and descriptions from his Rinnegan nor Perfect Susano'o during the War Arc. It doesn't have justifications.

So if anything, this means Momoshiki had the durability to take a hit from Planet Class Naruto.

Able to hurt Sasuke with his blows
Again, doesn't mean much as he was only knocking out the Tier 7 Kages and hurting a Base Naruto who you are trying to attempt to put at Tier 5. Sasuke also isn't listed as 5-B for his physicals, his Teenage Rinnegan key was 5-B with Perfect Susano'o and Jutsu, the rating for his Adult profile isn't explained, but it would be due to Perfect Susano'o and Jutsu as well.

Naruto and Sasuke when Fighting Madara/Kaguya/Momoshiki have both been shown to be comparable.
This isn't true, Naruto outperforms Sasuke in each fight:

Madara:

Sasuke:

Naruto:

So in the fight with Madara, Naruto without Kurama was outperforming Sasuke with his perfect Susano'o. Not comparable, except in speed perhaps.

Kaguya:

Sasuke:

Naruto:

Not even close, Sasuke was pathetic against Kaguya and Naruto was the only one who tagged her, injured her and was keeping up with her speed wise.

Momoshiki:
Momoshiki is a weird case since the fight is incredibly short in the manga. They defeat him when they combine Perfect Susano'o and Kurama and then he's finally defeated when Sasuke distracts him for Boruto to finish him off with a Rasengan made with Naruto's Chakra. So you can't really compare them to each other, but you can compare Kurama and Perfect Susano'o... who we already know are equal in stats.

Naruto's Cloak only really buffs his speed. But interms of AP, he's in the same ball park.
This is a false claim as I have proven. Naruto's cloak is a massive AP and Durability increase plus versatility. Naruto is also only listed as 5-B for feats and Jutsu feats performed with the cloak. Base Naruto isn't equivalent with base Sasuke and the cloak doesn't just increase speed. The other mistake you're making is thinking base Sasuke is 5-B. He's 5-B with Perfect Susano'o as his profile states. Plus, Rinnegan Sasuke fails to physically match up to 5-B Cloak Naruto and they are only comparable at times with Kurama and Perfect Susano'o (even then, Perfect Susano'o was terrible against Kaguya when Naruto without Kurama was matching her).

Toneri Scaling to 5-B:

Toneri's Locallized Blasts forces Naruto to struggle against it before absorbing his Chakra and One Shotting him Toneri casually blasts Naruto back overpowering him easily.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is gonna deny Tenseigan Toneri (No Cloak) is above Base Naruto, but the thing is that Base Naruto isn't 5-B through feats and what we know as we can see through further insight.

Conclusion:
Adult Base Naruto isn't 5-B, but it shouldn't be Unknown like it is right now, it's obviously above his Base teenage self.

As we can see, Adult Base Naruto doesn't truly scale to Adult Rinnegan Sasuke (whose 5-B ratings are from his Perfect Susano'o as well). On top of this, this is backward scaling, attempting to use justifications from Boruto era that is over a decade after The Last when Naruto fought Toneri, it's not solid. It's not solid as well since Momoshiki wasn't displaying 5-B striking strength AP since he was only knocking out the Tier 7 Kages with his physical attacks.

Too many issues with scaling, incorrect scaling, mistook ratings derived from keys, not solid scaling and backwards scaling. Hard disagree, but I think Base Adult Naruto should be above his Base teenage self.

Edit: The most durable Kage that Momoshiki physically knocked out with a physical strike was the 7-A Gaara. Base Adult Naruto took several hits from that Momoshiki, so Base Adult Naruto would be At least 7-A, likely higher for my proposal.

Plus, the whole point of this thread was because TFO wanted to make Toneri 5-B to avoid the recent hollow moon issue which leaves a bad taste in the mouth for intentions.
 
Imade.. there are alot of faulty arguments on your side, now im not sure if it's intentional or not because you come up with far better arguments but come on. ill discuss this in detail now give me a second
 
Im visiting the hospital, so i wont be back for a while, but lets not close this thread as there many things i want to debunk in that thread of yours, because you either dont understand how some of this stuff works or are intentionally ignoring it for some unknown reason.

but what i do want to highlight is two things, because they can be debunked in a few seconds

1. That's not that impressive when Momoshiki was knocked back by Boruto's regular Rasengan.

There is a thing called PIS, or are you suggesting that Boruto magically has a 7-A rasengan now according your stats of Momoshiki aswell.


2. Plus, the whole point of this thread was because TFO wanted to make Toneri 5-B to avoid the recent hollow moon issue which leaves a bad taste in the mouth for intentions.

baseless accusations, sure TFO might have been salty about that thread but this thread was talked about way before that one.

Also even i was planning a future 5-B Toneri thread disconnected from this one months and months ago, even before Naruto became 5-B in the first place. so no 5-B Toneri isnt anything new
 
@IMade

1.)Boruto pushing back Momoshiki, whom deliberately let his guard down (Which was the entire point of the scene) is not an anti-feat. Bringing this up is irrelevant and proves nothing except, "an off guard character can be pushed over when not paying attention" (You also contradict yourself later).


2.)Order of Events:

  • Momoshiki Dashes at Naruto
  • Naruto blocks his attack
  • Momoshiki attacks again
  • Naruto dodges his attack
  • Momoshiki lands a kick sending Naruto flying
  • Momoshiki attempts to attack Naruto again
  • Naruto Dodges
  • Momoshiki appears behind Naruto and attempts to attack Naruto again
  • Naruto reacts, activates RSM.
This is called keeping up and implies the only difference here was Speed as Base Naruto could Kill him still.


3.)Momoshiki casually took out the Kages. That is a casual "At Least" showing. Certainly can't be used to justify lowering his tier when he is shown hurting Sasuke, whom is 5-B physically. Meaning Momoshiki physical stats range from "At least 7-C" casually to 5-B for hurting Sasuke (Getting to Sasuke).


4.)Sasuke did withstand Limbo's hitting him. He was in motion attacking yes, then got knocked back (Literally shown blocking the hit that knocked him back). This is proven by the fact he is literally rocketed back the same as Naruto from Blocking the hit meant for Sakura.


5.)"Ugh!" Is an exclamation that both SPSM Naruto and Sasuke did from being tossed to the ground by Kaguya, telling the audience they felt that. It also proves this Scene > Bloodlusted Madara Limbos.


6.)The movie databook shows us Adult Sasuke. While the movie is retconned, the information this gives us on Sasuke isn't and has been noted in the manga as well. Sasuke and Naruto are Equal for the most part. Naruto simply edges him out by an insignificant amount (Not counting Ashura Avatar).


7.)This is where the contradictions come into play. The scaling is as follows:

  • SPSM Naruto has Planet Class Physicals
  • SPSM Naruto's Clones fought evenly with Six Paths Madara's Clones, proving they have Planet Class Physicals.
  • Rinnegan Sasuke can tank its from Madara's limbo clones when Madara intended to kill them meaning Sasuke had 5-Durability (Scales to Striking).
  • Base Naruto could Match a Rush from Rinegan Sasuke in all be speed (Extending him to 5-B physicals which is backed by the fact there is no difference between Sasuke and Base Naruto).
  • Adult Sasuke could be harmed by Momoshiki physically (Giving him 5-B Striking which reinforces Base Naruto being 5-B physically scaling from Sasuke).
  • Base Naruto also killed that same Momoshiki who you agree tanked SPSM Naruto's 5-B class strikes.
Do you see where the contradictions are?


8.)Your examples to say Naruto outperforms Sasuke is faulty:

  • Both Naruto and Sasuke injure the same version of Madara.
  • Naruto fights 4 Limbos with SC, sure (Sasuke doesn't use SC, so moot point when both can harm the same guy)
  • AoE =/= AP. Naruto has greater AoE than Sasuke so yes, he can destroy more meteors at once, big deal, Sasuke is still = to him in AP for the most part (Naruto has an insignificant AP advantage)
9.)I give you Kaguya (Naruto did outperform him here)

10.)Across all Mediums:

  • Movie
  • Novel
  • Manga
  • Anime
  • Anime adaptation Novel
Naruto and Sasuke are portrayed comparable all around. Gives more weight to that databook discription.


11.)I think i soundly proved you wrong on your part after #8.


12.)Seems to me Base Naruto is soundly 5-B, thus Toneri scales (And no, I didn't make this just for Toneri scaling. I've been planning this for a long time. Just so happens the Toneri issue is relevant to Base Naruto).
 
Let's also not forget that Naruto/Sasuke made a moon EXTREMELY CASUALLY with extremely tiny amount of chakra they had left/extremely tired. The way I see it is that also during the final battle between Naruto/Sasuke that even though Base Naruto was getting his but whooped, he didn't want to kill Sasuke and even the latter pointed out that he was holding back + in Base yes from the start of the battle Naruto was keeping up (tiny bit) then got overwhelmed but still stay in there which mean that right after Kaguya, both of their Base is 5-B
 
@TFO

1:
If we're using it as evidence that characters have lower durability while off-guard (like Dragonball), then I'm fine with it.

2:
This isn't keeping up. Naruto isn't landing hits, is getting outsped and getting multiple hits landed on him.

3:
Sasuke isn't 5-B physically right now (he's 5-B with perfect Susano'o), you can't use this to attempt to justify your stance, especially since he physically doesn't scale to it. Also, this doesn't detract from the fact that Momoshiki was casually 7-A after transforming and when he took out the Kage. Immediately after taking out the 7-A Kage (even getting blocked by the 7-A Kage) Momoshiki attacks Base Adult Naruto. Nothing justifies Momoshiki being 5-B and there is more evidence for him approaching Naruto with 7-A striking since he literally was using 7-A striking against the Kage seconds before.

4:
Sasuke does not withstand Limbo hitting him. Your wording implies as if the Limbo physically struck Sasuke which doesn't happen. Sasuke is intercepted by a Limbo Clone mid-swing of his attack and then Sasuke skids backwards uninjured. This could tell us that Sasuke's Jutsu (the Chidori that connected with the Limbo) is 5-B, but we already know Sasuke is 5-B with Jutsu.

5:
Yet neither are injured nor scratched, it seems to be for effect, nothing serious.

6:
The information from that databook was about the movie, it is retcon and no-longer canon since the movie that it is based off of is retconned and no-longer canon as well. And as I said as well: This statement doesn't tell us which Sasuke. For all we know it could be their peaks with Kurama and Susano'o, which is true that they are equal in strength as we saw in VotE 2.

7:

SPSM Naruto has Planet Class Physicals
Yes.

SPSM Naruto's Clones fought evenly with Six Paths Madara's Clones, proving they have Planet Class Physicals.
Yes, the Limbo Clones scale from Naruto.

Rinnegan Sasuke can tank its from Madara's limbo clones when Madara intended to kill them meaning Sasuke had 5-Durability (Scales to Striking).
False, Sasuke isn't hit by the Limbo clone as I explained above in section 4. Also, you can't scale a character's striking from their durability without scaling to a another.

Base Naruto could Match a Rush from Rinegan Sasuke in all be speed (Extending him to 5-B physicals which is backed by the fact there is no difference between Sasuke and Base Naruto).
While these events do happen, your tiering is off since you incorrectly assume Rinnegan Sasuke is 5-B physically.

Adult Sasuke could be harmed by Momoshiki physically (Giving him 5-B Striking which reinforces Base Naruto being 5-B physically scaling from Sasuke).
Sasuke isn't 5-B however and as explained in point 3, Momoshiki was utilizing 7-A striking in this fight since he was only knocking out the 7-A Kage with his striking and his striking could be blocked by 7-A defense.

1) Kicking and knocking out the 8-A or 7-C (it's being discussed atm) Darui.

2) Having his punched blocked by the 7-A Gaara and having to go around the sand to attack Gaara. Yet, Momoshiki only knocks out Gaara as well.

3) Kicking and knocking out Chojuro who has no profile (as well as no feats above Tier 7).

4) Punching and knocking out Kurotsuchi who has no profile (as well as no feats above Tier 7).

Momoshiki had no reason to hold back here to let the Kage survive his attacks. Thus, the attempted scaling from Momoshiki falls on itself when you take into account his actions.

Base Naruto also killed that same Momoshiki who you agree tanked SPSM Naruto's 5-B class strikes.
It's misleading to say Base Naruto killed Momoshiki. Naruto inserted Chakra from inside him into Boruto's Rasengan and that is what killed Momoshiki. The Chakra inside of Naruto exceeds 5-B.

But yes, Momoshiki did take hits from 5-B SPSM Naruto, so that Rasengan exceeded 5-B.

8:

Both Naruto and Sasuke injure the same version of Madara.
Yes, but Naruto outperforms Sasuke in their fight against Madara since Naruto single-handedly deals with the Limbo and all but one of Madara's meteors. This is outperforming.

Naruto fights 4 Limbos with SC, sure (Sasuke doesn't use SC, so moot point when both can harm the same guy)
It shows Naruto outperforming Sasuke since Naruto deals with the larger issues from Madara.

AoE =/= AP. Naruto has greater AoE than Sasuke so yes, he can destroy more meteors at once, big deal, Sasuke is still = to him in AP for the most part (Naruto has an insignificant AP advantage)
Naruto does has greater AoE, but the blatant issue you are missing is casualness and spam. Sasuke takes several slashes to just break apart one meteor from Madara while Naruto throws a single casual Bijuudama Rasenshuriken to cause an explosion that swallows one of the meteors. Naruto then casually chucks 6 more to destroy the rest. This is outperforming.

And this is only against Madara.

9:
You giving me Kaguya means I am right in that Naruto is superior to Sasuke:

Sasuke:

Naruto:

Naruto is clearly superior to Sasuke, thus your entire point that the two are comparable is fallacious and incorrect.

10:
Sure, in Part 1 and most of Part 2, but this entirely changes and we are given proof of it in the Kaguya fight.

Kaguya easily one shots Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o and 4 shots it when she's injured. Naruto never gets one-shot by Kaguya at all.

Kaguya is too fast for Sasuke and even counters a sneak attack from him. Kaguya even pulls Sasuke into another dimension. She even dodges his attacks and dodges them while injured. Naruto evades that dimension pull with Kaguya and Black Zetsu complimenting his speed. Naruto even blitzes Kaguya.

Sasuke never even tags Kaguya, at all while Naruto momentarily keeps up with her Chakra Punch spam, overpowers her with Steam Release, rips off her arm and injures her with 9 Bijuudama Rasenshuriken.

They are not comparable all around as you think and attempting to use a non-canon Databook isn't going to help your stance. Especially since the Databook doesn't specify Base Modes, Rinnegan Sasuke against SPSM Naruto or Kurama against Perfect Susano'o.

11:
Well you haven't since the scaling is still shoddy and incorrectly based.

12:
Base Naruto has yet to be proven 5-B through your methods since the foundation for your claims is incorrect and dependent on scaling that is shoddy.

Conclusion:
Adult Base Naruto isn't 5-B, but it shouldn't be Unknown like it is right now, it's obviously above his Base teenage self. The most durable Kage that Momoshiki physically knocked out with a physical strike was the 7-A Gaara. Base Adult Naruto took several hits from that Momoshiki, so Base Adult Naruto would be At least 7-A, likely higher for my proposal. While we're at this, a key for Adult Sasuke and Teenage Sasuke's physicals should made as well. Sasuke's 5-B keys are all based on Perfect Susano'o, thus a key for him without Perfect Susano'o should be made.

As for Toneri, he would obviously be above 7-A for casually defeating an At Least 7-A, likely higher Adult Base Naruto.

Edit: Going to sleep, so any rebuttals towards me I will respond tomorrow when I wake.
 
Base Naruto has a low 6-B feat regardless of the 5-B one

and actually has another feat i just remembered that was pretty cool

however it wont be anywhere near 5-B tho
 
P.S. feat 6-B

can scaling via momoshiki. and naruto base have feat 6-B

or rasengan is not 5-B ? or momoshiki is not 5-B ?

and 4kage is 7-A or 5-B ?

Upgrade shin 5-B = Upgrade 4 kage 5-B
 
Nothing justifies Momoshiki being 5-B and there is more evidence for him approaching Naruto with 7-A striking

bold what are u doing

u are calling

adult base naruto is now 7-A

momo is 8 to 7 tier

what next huh

are joking with us

i think u should just stop the downplay

no one would take someone word serious who using PIS to prove his point
 
LOL Downgrade god tier naruto to tier 7

The reason for momoshiki kinshiki vs 4kage

Because if momoshiki kinshiki Be serious, 4 kage will be killed.

The reason for momoshiki vs boruto

Because it's Boruto - Naruto Next Generations

The reason for sakura hit kaguya

Because (1.)the beautiful picture of Team 7,(2.)for Success Stories of team 7,(3.)Team 7

The reason for shin attack naruto and sasuke

Because sakura is coming , Need help of sakura
 
@Imade

Rinnegan Sasuke is 5-B Physically, the only reason it's not changed on his profile is because it was forgotten during the Revisions.

1.Sasuke Bisected Madara in half casually

>But Shadow that was his Chidori Blade

Thats not how it works and it was discussed over and over in the Naruto revision. Chakra control is a thing. unless the specific Jutsu has shown to be>>>>>>>>>>>>the user via in verse terms or stuff like the ETSB which requires the chakra from the population, they scale. because if we go according to your reasoning the profiles would be like

naruio=base. Tier X with Rasengan, Tier Y with fireball jutsu, Tier Z with using 10 percent of his chakra, Tier 9 when awakening his Jesus ninja form, tier LL when awakening his Jesus ninja form and using fox energy ball, tier P when only using energy ball.

Ontop of that your insinuating that a jutsu Sasuke can casually create with a fleeting thought in his hand is 10 000 to 20 000X+ more powerful than himself, which wouldn't make sense because Sasuke is putting huge amounts of energy in his hands, and if the gap was that large then Sasuke's hand would be completely obliterated because it's been shown to us that a body will be demolished when the intake of chakra succeeds their body limits. and the case of something being dozens of thousands of time stronger than the person certainly would.
 
You arguing Momoshiki is physically 7-A is absolute downplay

it's no different from me arguing that the kage should be 5-B for surviving those Hits from Momoshiki, but they are not

why?

Because it would be wank and an Outlier of massive proportions
 
thats not how our tiers work

it's the same reason there was an argument about in Bleach about Aizen scaling to Yhwach

and something me and Imade both agreed on

just because your casual doesn't mean you drop multiple tiers.

The same applies here.

because Momoshiki wacks out fodder doesnt make base naruto 7-A
 
i am not sure what is he even talking

sry but his downplay is making debating worse

he is saying base naruto and momo is 7-a cuz kage and boruto PIS feat

he simply using PIS to make his point

even thou

0. even without any chakra naruto tank 6-B explosio

1.teen base and base sasuke has 10 Zettatons feats (for blasting the moon into the sky)

2.statement that momo is 5-B

3.base sasuke fail to behead momo even thou he cut 5-B madara in half easily(if we are to use his logic that would make jj madara 7-A lol)

4.base naruto tank momo attack

5.saske block/tank an attack from momo

6.base sasuke tank 5-B limbo

7.base naruto block an attack from sasuke

8.naruto rasangan killed momo

9.naruto tank 5-C+/low 5-B Golden Wheel Reincarnation Explosion/AP

10.base rasangan with hinata has Low 5-B feats for destroying Tenseiga

11. base naruto 1 shot Low 5-B Toneri
 
@Imade "Adult Base Naruto isn't 5-B, but it shouldn't be Unknown like it is right now, it's obviously above his Base teenage self. The most durable Kage that Momoshiki physically knocked out with a physical strike was the 7-A Gaara. Base Adult Naruto took several hits from that Momoshiki, so Base Adult Naruto would be At least 7-A, likely higher for my proposal."

  • Base Adult Naruto would then be nearly 30 000 to 40 000 times weaker than base Sasuke.
  • Fused Momoshiki took Multiple hits from Six Paths Naruto who is 5-B and base Sasuke
= 5-B Momoshiki respectively from taking hits from Naruto and from scaling above Kaguya

Sasuke Physcally Punches Momoshiki sending him flying in pain
Sasuke 1




Sasuke taking out Momo's jutsu with just his sword.
Sasuke 2


Naruto 1s
Naruto Countering and reacting to Momoshiki
In this instance Momoshiki has no reason to be casual with Naruto or Sasuke, because if so why did he transform, or are we going to start saying that base Momoshiki is not even 7-A huh?

In conclusion you cant assume just because Momoshiki took out some 7-A's casually, this makes Naruto 7-A


Naruto 2
Naruto 4
 
it's the same reason there was an argument about in Bleach about Aizen scaling to Yhwach


imade simply doing what tfo did on bleach crt (using word casual ap )

but he defended bleach vers yet here he using same logic to downgrade naruto vers
 
i actually want to make a seperate 5-B Naruto thread, but knowing how this one is going to end, im likely not going to be able to
 
I'm waiting for Kep.

I have a problem with the scaling being suggested but don't have the time to argue. I've been in enough Naruto threads to know it will be a complete waste of time.
 
Yeah tbh I'm sure is gonna 100% disagree....what i know is that Kep-sama rarely comments in the Naruto Discussion but I'm sure that he goes on it a lot to see what's going on....yeah be prepared and DONT get heated ok guys?
 
I see really weak arguments here regarding tiers. Like seriously with the logic that Momoshiki was using 7A strength from outa nowhere means we gotta downgrade a lot of more verses just because of casualness.

This should have been a simple upgrade thread but people look for reasons to stop it when there are literally none. You can't scale Naruto to other Kage cause he is literally stronger than them in Base. Naruto has outright feats as well of him being 5B physically.

What's the big idea with disagreeing when the scaling is easy
 
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[Naruto] DMS Obito/Kakashi Update.
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