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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
HelloThere1089
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Kakashi Bros in shambles. (I am Kakashi Bros).
Although it was pretty obvious the fifth Shinju was gonna be the same as we saw in chapter 13.
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Bro that looks like Naruto
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spoilers for 14
Planet level ibiki gg
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Lol we know he can't use chakra
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skill issue
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We now have sea stone in boruto
HelloThere1089
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Even after an interrogation, Boruto didn't want to get caught lacking in his drip game. Respect.
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It would be extremely disappointing if Sunagakure had lost to those Frieza-looking goblins instead of opponents like Mitsuri and Bug. The mismatch would have felt undeserving, given the village's strength and potential.
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No Kage is safe, no nation is safe, and not even the new generation of shinobi is safe. Is this truly the end of the shinobi world? That’s right: the age of the shinobi is over.
HelloThere1089
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This chapter made Samlex turn poetic.
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How do we feel about roughly quantifying god tree chakra fruit amps?
I have arguments for them being at least a 2x multiplier maybe I’ll share it here or save it for a thread.
“Why is this relevant?”
Kaguya was already scared of momoshiki (before he devoured at least 16 chakra fruits)
I have arguments for them being at least a 2x multiplier maybe I’ll share it here or save it for a thread.
“Why is this relevant?”
Kaguya was already scared of momoshiki (before he devoured at least 16 chakra fruits)
HelloThere1089
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It would be better to discuss those arguments first instead of making a thread that is going to fail. Also I can't tell you my thoughts about a multiplier because I don't know how you're gonna justify it.
16 chakra fruits from the same planet right?
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The arguments are based off the fact that:
(Without going into great detail)
1. An otsutsuki is needed to be sacrificed to a 10 tails for it to evolve into a God tree meaning chakra fruit=ten tails+otsutsuki+entire planet.
Basically 1+1 is the same of 1x2
We know otsutsuki can be transformed into fruits themselves to be consumed. This is likely how they do it.
In momo’s case, kinshiki would be the sacrifice.
This is significant because Kaguya is already scared of Momo and kin from thousands of years ago
2. It’s narratively implied that the God tree amp>fused Momo amp.
He views the god tree chakra fruit as a greater form of evolution than kinshiki’s fruit. Otherwise they wouldn’t bother eating planets but rather would eat kinshiki over and over and over (he can just reincarnate) and they share the fruit
Yeah but I don’t think that’s relevant to my point
HelloThere1089
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Slight issue. I believe that in Boruto it has been clarified that ten tails specifically extracts the chakra from living beings. Not the planet's chakra. If that's what you meant then ok.
Ok.
Ok. I do agree that IT Kaguya < a hypothetical Fused Momoshiki from 1000 years ago at least. Without the ETSB of course, although arguments can be made.
True.
I have a doubt tho. We know that it might be possible to get a chakra fruit without sacrificing an Otsutsuki. Like Kaguya did. So how are you going to justify that Momoshiki sacrificed 16 Otsutsuki?
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I can already feel the "But Kaguya bad tho" before even watching this.
HelloThere1089
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But she kinda bad tho
XSOULOFCINDERX
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In what way? If you mean as a character then I kind of agree, but I'm just kind of tired of people harping on the way Madara was replaced. I agree that Zetsu being able to stab Madara like that is clearly PIS since Madara has multifaceted layered sensory precog but still.
HelloThere1089
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EldemadeDityjon
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Koji looks Dope
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his coat is ******* gas i cant lie
Kakashi Bros in shambles. (I am Kakashi Bros).
Although it was pretty obvious the fifth Shinju was gonna be the same as we saw in chapter 13.
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I think it’s both but that’s irrelevant to the point.
I agree with this as well but it’s also irrelevant to my point a little bit. The point is, Momo and kin at least scale to her from 1000+ years ago and they’ve evolved many times since then
This isn’t true Amado made it clear that u need a sacrifice. This just means Kaguya betrayed isshiki AFTER she resurrected via karma
They didn’t sacrifice 16 different otsutsuki’s brother, it was just kinshiki over and over again and he’d revive via karma. That was how it’s explained.
2 pairs, come to a planet, the lesser rank places a karma on someone, the lesser rank is devoured, but comes back via karma. Tree grows and they eat it
HelloThere1089
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Kaguya ate a chakra fruit right? Who was sacrificed then?
Wait really? Damn I never noticed this for some reason. Can you post a scan where this was stated?
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Oh... the coat, the hair... they got him.
Kakashi Bros in shambles. (I am Kakashi Bros).
Although it was pretty obvious the fifth Shinju was gonna be the same as we saw in chapter 13.
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Hmmm, your argument isn't entirely bad.
However, my main focus is on the fact that when Momoshiki fuses with Kinshiki, their combined power should be considered as an additive enhancement. Since Momoshiki’s base level is relatively equal to Kinshiki’s, their fusion should be viewed as a multiplication of their stats. Therefore, fused momo stats would be effectively doubled, reflecting an increase in power proportional to the combined strength of both characters.
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It's hard to believe that Kaguya was afraid of Momoshiki and Kinshiki. It seemed more like a fear of the clan itself, not one or two members. Not to mention that even if it's fear of him, she hadn't seen him for probably thousands of years, in the meantime, just as she had become extremely stronger, there was also the possibility that he had evolved too. It makes sense that she feared not only him but anyone in the clan, after all, she didn't know who would come or how strong is that enemy.
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There are two ways this could have happened.
1-She did the same thing Isshiki would do before meeting Boruto: She attacked Isshiki, then found a perfect vessel, and after letting herself be devoured by the Juubi, she was resurrected via karma.
2-She let herself be devoured, and after being resurrected via Karma, she attacked Isshiki to get the fruit.
Whether it was one or the other, in the end the result is the same.
HelloThere1089
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Her scroll specifically stated that she was afraid of those two. Sasuke confirms this after the scrolls were translated. Secondly even though she already consumed a chakra fruit, she still went through the trouble of creating a zetsu army just for them. So yeah, it is definitely narratively implied and stated that Momoshiki + Kinshiki > Kaguya.
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Yes I realize it’s an addition. The reason why I said 2x amp is because the next God tree they eat, the sacrifice will be from the evolved state not the previous one. For example 1+1= 2 (evolved state) god tree 2 would then be 2+2. It’s more of an exponential sequence than an addition.
The calc would go smth like Kaguya x (2)^16 to get their ap when they arrive in boruto
But yes I see what you’re saying, the 2x amp is only in relevance to momoshiki and kin.
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There’s an anime canon scene showing that when she envisioned the clan coming for her, it was Momo kin and urashiki. This was before hagoromo sealed her. Please don’t bring up any Kaguya> Momo stuff in 2024 I beg
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The tree doesn't get twice as strong.
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I’m saying the sacrifice does, therefore the next tree they eat still has that bare minimum fusion amp that Momo and kin did.
Tree formula= ten tails+otsutsuki+planet
If the otsutsuki is twice as strong as before, the total amp is at least twice
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Could you provide a scan that shows they consumed over 16 fruits between their last encounter with Kaguya and their arrival in Boruto?
HelloThere1089
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So if I am understanding this correctly:
1. a Shinju chakra fruit > simply eating an Otsutsuki like Momo did to Kin.
2. Momo eating Kin is Momo + Kin since they are relative to each other.
3. Every shinju tree therefore must be a greater amp than just an addition of the pair of Otsutsuki.
4. Each time the Otsutsuki that gets sacrificed, comes back via Karma. (scan would be appreciated)
Now I need to know how you're gonna justify the pair being/staying relative to each other. Are you saying that Karmic ressurection is an equal amp to eating a chakra fruit?
1. a Shinju chakra fruit > simply eating an Otsutsuki like Momo did to Kin.
2. Momo eating Kin is Momo + Kin since they are relative to each other.
3. Every shinju tree therefore must be a greater amp than just an addition of the pair of Otsutsuki.
4. Each time the Otsutsuki that gets sacrificed, comes back via Karma. (scan would be appreciated)
Now I need to know how you're gonna justify the pair being/staying relative to each other. Are you saying that Karmic ressurection is an equal amp to eating a chakra fruit?
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This is all well and good except for the small part where Kaguya's scroll blatantly mention Kinshiki and Momoshiki as the pair that she's worried about
Also, it's highly likely that she hasn't seen momoshiki for, at best, 100 years since she arrived on earth. Not thousands. I doubt she was roaming around for 1000 years before she gave birth to Hagoromo and Hamura
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I’m to lazy to create an imgur link.
Literally just search up momoshiki 16 chakra fruits an image will appear.
HelloThere1089
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A meta explanation would be that Kishimoto wanted a villain stronger than Kaguya right off the bat, but Momoshiki not having the war arc build up combined with Boruto's general lack of feats make him seem weaker than he is. Also nostalgia from fans and stuff. If we go by just info without any personal feelings, then it is pretty clear that author intent was for Momo to be > Kaguya. But people can't believe that, as evident by how many hoops they have to go through to discredit numerous statements. Which is fine, but doesn't change the facts.
