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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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If I say your reaction speed is what gave you the edge in the match i'm implying we have similar combat speed but the reason you won is due to your far higher reaction speed, the profile is just showcasing his reaction speed is much higher. The higher there used to be rel actually and it was coming from him being faster than his edo tensei state, His hokage speed justification also comes from there, obito is just a bonus and honestly he should have sub-rel reactions. But high tiers don't currently have a speed value anymore so they just heavily upscale. I also think his hokage self should just flat out have the new high tiers speed rating and higher reactions when the upgrade comes
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you might be reading it wrong
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I was gonna make profiles for everyone's families, but there's no template so I got bored
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Also that was Tsume
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Trust me I looked at it like 10 times. If ya don’t believe me check if out
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I employ you to read it one more time. That rating you are looking at is for BSM naruto. naruto with strongest ninjutsu and infusing all his chakra is rated low5b and asura avatar is rated 3x more than base naruto. The exact value is 5exatons
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The "Higher, Far Higher, and Even Higher" starting from Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode is there because they're all still within the Small Planet Level category. Read the [Notes]
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•High 6-A, likely 5-C+ (These two values are for Base Naruto, one scaling to a Feat done in Base in The Last, and the other scaling to his Shippuden Self's Base "Likely" 5-C)
•higher with Stronger Ninjutsu (It's "Higher" instead of Low 5-B because Naruto's Base has two AP Values)
•5-C, likely 5-C+ with Bijū Sage Mode (It has a "Likely 5-C+" because it's scaling to TCM Toneri who is only "Likely" scaling to Half of Hamura's Low 5-B. 5-C is half from Toneri's Moon Split)
•higher, likely Small Planet Level with Stronger Ninjutsu and by condensing chakra (These are scaling to Toneri's Ginrin Tensei Baku and Kinrin Tensei Baku which scale to Toneri's 5-C Moon Split or "Likely" the full Low 5-B value of Hamura)
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Technically, for The Last it's
Moon Level (88.74 Exatons Moon Split), likely Small Planet Level (845.9 Exatons scaling from Hamura)
I think you mean Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode (1.69 Zettatons) for New Era Naruto
Because Base New Era Naruto is 845.9 Exatons
MinatoSparkle
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Sure you could interpret it like that, could be worded more clearly tho so it isn't interpreted as Minato only keeping up due to FTG (especially as that's a widespread notion in the fandom)
Ik, I'm just saying the combat speed justification is lacking
Obito should be Sub-Rel overall ngl
What exactly do you mean by "high tiers?"
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Should Isshiki have some resistance to life manipulation? According to the explanation of baryon mode given on the official website.
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i agree that it should be worded better and that the justification is lacking. Tobirama complimenting his speed used to bepart among others. Don't know why it got removed.
So high tiers used to scale to rel before from madara reacting to tsunade kick during the transmission jutsu but it got scrapped. According to slayer there would be a speed revision later tackling high tiers speed
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We lack any evidence suggesting he resisted the effects of Baryon Mode. In fact, the available information indicates the opposite.
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The life-consuming nature of Baryon Mode applied equally to Kurama and Isshiki, from what I understood, but while Isshiki only lost less than 3 days of his life, Kurama easily lost hundreds of years. There clearly seems to be a distinction between the chakra that Naruto and Kurama are "merging" to create Baryon Mode and its life-consuming nature that results from it, which is what killed Kurama and would have killed Isshiki if Naruto had touched him more often, but while Kurama was losing most of his life at the same time that Naruto was touching Isshiki, Isshiki only lost a few hours of life, from what I understand.
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MinatoSparkle
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Idk if you mean when he said Minato's Shunshin is faster than his or when he complimented his striking speed. For the former, I'm pretty sure movement speed was considered ass for a while, and for the latter, ig just complimenting isn't really quantifiable (the raws seem to also have a somewhat different meaning but I digress)
Ah you mean the former Rel characters. Yes Minato will scale to the top tiers unless Slayer drastically changed his mind, as he said in his Minato vs Hashirama video that he thinks Minato is faster than Hashirama, Madara, and Tobirama (I don't agree with his idea that Ay and KCM1 Naruto are also that level though)
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Well if you interpret it that way I can't fault you. The problem is we don't have enough information to back it up.
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Isshiki in the most literal sense’ life force is backed up by “countless of planets” according to his own words. Not only does he absorb the planet’s life itself, but all life on said planet. Hence why immortal kurama died but he didn’t
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The bold is never stated or implied. As the scan shows, Minato states he is going for a Mutual Strike, but the other stuff isn’t even implied.
Obito would have caught him before he tagged with Rasengan had it not been for FTG (Sans Shunshin Obviously).
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Btw, Tobirama’s statement of Minato being quick at Striking isn't in reference to Combat Speed. It’s in regards to him taking initiative as he says it as a response to Hiruzen stating Minato prepped the Battle Field for them.
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I mean complimenting his striking speed
I don't have an issue with kcm1 naruto being there with mental amp tbh coz that particular point in the story was heavily implied to be a moment he attained speed rivalling his dad. Ay is iffy but he does have god feats on madara
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It's not explicitly stated, but it absolutely is implied. Just look at what Minato says.
"My physical attacks don't affect his body...but he makes himself solid when he attacks me" - thus Minato has to ensure that Obito continues his offense and doesn't switch to defense
"I have to aim for a mutual strike, precisely timed" - it doesn't make sense for him to refer to precise timing if he's just gonna attack as fast as possible and try to outspeed Obito. This is obviously referring to him teleporting just when Obito materializes, which he'd only do if he thought he was gonna be able to touch Minato.
"He knows he's vulnerable when he attacks" - Minato here is taking into account that Obito won't just materialize willy nilly and will only do so if the situation permits it, which it obviously wouldn't if Minato's Rasengan reaches Obito before Obito's hand reaches Minato
It's also worth noting that Minato fully extends his arm to slam his Rasengan into Obito while Obito hardly seems to move at all (note the position of the flying kunai behind Obito in the first and second pages being almost identical despite the kunai and Obito moving in opposite directions, and the position of Obito's arm staying the same)
Nah, he'd win
I don't really think Naruto was mental amped but either way he was compared to Jonin Minato, not Hokage Minato
Jobbing Madara, who all the Kage have feats against
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Idk if I want to risk watching a scaling YouTuber, is this accurate and entertaining?
MinatoSparkle
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I haven't watched this video specifically but ThunderGod is usually really good, one of if not the best current Naruto YouTuber
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Wait a sec I just realized the intelligence and weaknesses revision accepted here never got applied 
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Minor Kushina Uzumaki Fix
At minimum it's above average but if sealing jutsu are considered complex, I can see Gifted working. I mean just conceptually speaking it is a pretty technical art, and most ones we know of are A or S rank (which isn't about power but difficulty of learning)
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All right, I trust your judgement, and any Menma fan has my good graces, as does someone who shows up with a buddy.
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i definitely think naruto was mental amps. Sure I'm not trying to scale naruto to hokage minato
Raikage was the only one so fast madara had to block with susanoo and could not dodge. He even complemented his speed. The rest people he stated that he purposely got hit by their attacks just to show hashirama's face. He also made a note to say tsunade is slower than the raikage
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You are theory crafting here. This is just a statement of fact from Minato acknowledging the situation. Nothing is implied beyond that.
The thing you’re failing to acknowledge is that outside of FTG usage, Minato has failed to tag Obito in every instance he tries. This statement from Minato, again, is just a statement of fact. There is no implication carried that says Minato held back his speed. Remember, right after this statement, Minato acknowledges he “could” very well lose this exchange: “This is all going to be over for one of us in an instant!” — Which actually implies the opposite of what you’re saying.
Again, you are theory crafting here. Nothing here is implied to mean he held back his speed. Nothing he showcased implies that either. Kishimoto is writing Minato to understand and recognize Obito’s abilities and fighting style, similarly Konan. Nothing more.
This isn’t relevant. Obito had no need to extend his arm and he would’ve beat Minato in this specific exchange sans FTG, which is what is shown and implied. So yes, Obito’s Combat Speed and Movement Speed would be Relative to “Slightly” Faster than Minato’s based on this and using a scan where his arm is extend vs Obito, who didn’t require his arm to be extended and simply needed “touch”, is a bit disingenuous, don’t you think?
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Someone say "inferior creatures!"
HelloThere1089
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Kakashi Bros in shambles. (I am Kakashi Bros).
Although it was pretty obvious the fifth Shinju was gonna be the same as we saw in chapter 13.
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Bro that looks like Naruto
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spoilers for 14
Planet level ibiki gg
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Lol we know he can't use chakra
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skill issue
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We now have sea stone in boruto
HelloThere1089
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Even after an interrogation, Boruto didn't want to get caught lacking in his drip game. Respect.
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It would be extremely disappointing if Sunagakure had lost to those Frieza-looking goblins instead of opponents like Mitsuri and Bug. The mismatch would have felt undeserving, given the village's strength and potential.
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No Kage is safe, no nation is safe, and not even the new generation of shinobi is safe. Is this truly the end of the shinobi world? That’s right: the age of the shinobi is over.
