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Should Isshiki have some resistance to life manipulation? According to the explanation of baryon mode given on the official website.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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i agree that it should be worded better and that the justification is lacking. Tobirama complimenting his speed used to bepart among others. Don't know why it got removed.
So high tiers used to scale to rel before from madara reacting to tsunade kick during the transmission jutsu but it got scrapped. According to slayer there would be a speed revision later tackling high tiers speed
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We lack any evidence suggesting he resisted the effects of Baryon Mode. In fact, the available information indicates the opposite.
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The life-consuming nature of Baryon Mode applied equally to Kurama and Isshiki, from what I understood, but while Isshiki only lost less than 3 days of his life, Kurama easily lost hundreds of years. There clearly seems to be a distinction between the chakra that Naruto and Kurama are "merging" to create Baryon Mode and its life-consuming nature that results from it, which is what killed Kurama and would have killed Isshiki if Naruto had touched him more often, but while Kurama was losing most of his life at the same time that Naruto was touching Isshiki, Isshiki only lost a few hours of life, from what I understand.
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Idk if you mean when he said Minato's Shunshin is faster than his or when he complimented his striking speed. For the former, I'm pretty sure movement speed was considered ass for a while, and for the latter, ig just complimenting isn't really quantifiable (the raws seem to also have a somewhat different meaning but I digress)
Ah you mean the former Rel characters. Yes Minato will scale to the top tiers unless Slayer drastically changed his mind, as he said in his Minato vs Hashirama video that he thinks Minato is faster than Hashirama, Madara, and Tobirama (I don't agree with his idea that Ay and KCM1 Naruto are also that level though)
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Well if you interpret it that way I can't fault you. The problem is we don't have enough information to back it up.
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Isshiki in the most literal sense’ life force is backed up by “countless of planets” according to his own words. Not only does he absorb the planet’s life itself, but all life on said planet. Hence why immortal kurama died but he didn’t
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The bold is never stated or implied. As the scan shows, Minato states he is going for a Mutual Strike, but the other stuff isn’t even implied.
Obito would have caught him before he tagged with Rasengan had it not been for FTG (Sans Shunshin Obviously).
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Btw, Tobirama’s statement of Minato being quick at Striking isn't in reference to Combat Speed. It’s in regards to him taking initiative as he says it as a response to Hiruzen stating Minato prepped the Battle Field for them.
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I mean complimenting his striking speed
I don't have an issue with kcm1 naruto being there with mental amp tbh coz that particular point in the story was heavily implied to be a moment he attained speed rivalling his dad. Ay is iffy but he does have god feats on madara
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It's not explicitly stated, but it absolutely is implied. Just look at what Minato says.
"My physical attacks don't affect his body...but he makes himself solid when he attacks me" - thus Minato has to ensure that Obito continues his offense and doesn't switch to defense
"I have to aim for a mutual strike, precisely timed" - it doesn't make sense for him to refer to precise timing if he's just gonna attack as fast as possible and try to outspeed Obito. This is obviously referring to him teleporting just when Obito materializes, which he'd only do if he thought he was gonna be able to touch Minato.
"He knows he's vulnerable when he attacks" - Minato here is taking into account that Obito won't just materialize willy nilly and will only do so if the situation permits it, which it obviously wouldn't if Minato's Rasengan reaches Obito before Obito's hand reaches Minato
It's also worth noting that Minato fully extends his arm to slam his Rasengan into Obito while Obito hardly seems to move at all (note the position of the flying kunai behind Obito in the first and second pages being almost identical despite the kunai and Obito moving in opposite directions, and the position of Obito's arm staying the same)
Nah, he'd win
I don't really think Naruto was mental amped but either way he was compared to Jonin Minato, not Hokage Minato
Jobbing Madara, who all the Kage have feats against
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Idk if I want to risk watching a scaling YouTuber, is this accurate and entertaining?
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I haven't watched this video specifically but ThunderGod is usually really good, one of if not the best current Naruto YouTuber
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Wait a sec I just realized the intelligence and weaknesses revision accepted here never got applied 
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Minor Kushina Uzumaki Fix
At minimum it's above average but if sealing jutsu are considered complex, I can see Gifted working. I mean just conceptually speaking it is a pretty technical art, and most ones we know of are A or S rank (which isn't about power but difficulty of learning)
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All right, I trust your judgement, and any Menma fan has my good graces, as does someone who shows up with a buddy.
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i definitely think naruto was mental amps. Sure I'm not trying to scale naruto to hokage minato
Raikage was the only one so fast madara had to block with susanoo and could not dodge. He even complemented his speed. The rest people he stated that he purposely got hit by their attacks just to show hashirama's face. He also made a note to say tsunade is slower than the raikage
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You are theory crafting here. This is just a statement of fact from Minato acknowledging the situation. Nothing is implied beyond that.
The thing you’re failing to acknowledge is that outside of FTG usage, Minato has failed to tag Obito in every instance he tries. This statement from Minato, again, is just a statement of fact. There is no implication carried that says Minato held back his speed. Remember, right after this statement, Minato acknowledges he “could” very well lose this exchange: “This is all going to be over for one of us in an instant!” — Which actually implies the opposite of what you’re saying.
Again, you are theory crafting here. Nothing here is implied to mean he held back his speed. Nothing he showcased implies that either. Kishimoto is writing Minato to understand and recognize Obito’s abilities and fighting style, similarly Konan. Nothing more.
This isn’t relevant. Obito had no need to extend his arm and he would’ve beat Minato in this specific exchange sans FTG, which is what is shown and implied. So yes, Obito’s Combat Speed and Movement Speed would be Relative to “Slightly” Faster than Minato’s based on this and using a scan where his arm is extend vs Obito, who didn’t require his arm to be extended and simply needed “touch”, is a bit disingenuous, don’t you think?
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Someone say "inferior creatures!"
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Kakashi Bros in shambles. (I am Kakashi Bros).
Although it was pretty obvious the fifth Shinju was gonna be the same as we saw in chapter 13.
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Bro that looks like Naruto
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spoilers for 14
Planet level ibiki gg
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Lol we know he can't use chakra
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skill issue
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We now have sea stone in boruto
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Even after an interrogation, Boruto didn't want to get caught lacking in his drip game. Respect.
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It would be extremely disappointing if Sunagakure had lost to those Frieza-looking goblins instead of opponents like Mitsuri and Bug. The mismatch would have felt undeserving, given the village's strength and potential.
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No Kage is safe, no nation is safe, and not even the new generation of shinobi is safe. Is this truly the end of the shinobi world? That’s right: the age of the shinobi is over.
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This chapter made Samlex turn poetic.
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How do we feel about roughly quantifying god tree chakra fruit amps?
I have arguments for them being at least a 2x multiplier maybe I’ll share it here or save it for a thread.
“Why is this relevant?”
Kaguya was already scared of momoshiki (before he devoured at least 16 chakra fruits)
I have arguments for them being at least a 2x multiplier maybe I’ll share it here or save it for a thread.
“Why is this relevant?”
Kaguya was already scared of momoshiki (before he devoured at least 16 chakra fruits)
HelloThere1089
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It would be better to discuss those arguments first instead of making a thread that is going to fail. Also I can't tell you my thoughts about a multiplier because I don't know how you're gonna justify it.
16 chakra fruits from the same planet right?
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The arguments are based off the fact that:
(Without going into great detail)
1. An otsutsuki is needed to be sacrificed to a 10 tails for it to evolve into a God tree meaning chakra fruit=ten tails+otsutsuki+entire planet.
Basically 1+1 is the same of 1x2
We know otsutsuki can be transformed into fruits themselves to be consumed. This is likely how they do it.
In momo’s case, kinshiki would be the sacrifice.
This is significant because Kaguya is already scared of Momo and kin from thousands of years ago
2. It’s narratively implied that the God tree amp>fused Momo amp.
He views the god tree chakra fruit as a greater form of evolution than kinshiki’s fruit. Otherwise they wouldn’t bother eating planets but rather would eat kinshiki over and over and over (he can just reincarnate) and they share the fruit
Yeah but I don’t think that’s relevant to my point
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Slight issue. I believe that in Boruto it has been clarified that ten tails specifically extracts the chakra from living beings. Not the planet's chakra. If that's what you meant then ok.
Ok.
Ok. I do agree that IT Kaguya < a hypothetical Fused Momoshiki from 1000 years ago at least. Without the ETSB of course, although arguments can be made.
True.
I have a doubt tho. We know that it might be possible to get a chakra fruit without sacrificing an Otsutsuki. Like Kaguya did. So how are you going to justify that Momoshiki sacrificed 16 Otsutsuki?
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I can already feel the "But Kaguya bad tho" before even watching this.
HelloThere1089
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But she kinda bad tho
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In what way? If you mean as a character then I kind of agree, but I'm just kind of tired of people harping on the way Madara was replaced. I agree that Zetsu being able to stab Madara like that is clearly PIS since Madara has multifaceted layered sensory precog but still.
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Koji looks Dope
