HelloThere1089
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Juubi Jin yeah. Not sure about Otsutsuki in general tho. We haven't had a Juubi Jin since Kaguya if you wanna consider her that.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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There’s actually a quite reasonable explanation for this. The Juubi in the FGNW is just part of Kaguya. Kaguya consumed a chakra fruit from Earth. Chakra fruit update your genetic code with information from that planet. So, you could just deduce that those unique abilities that appear to be contradictory from Juubi Jins and Kaguya’s kin are not contradictory but merely a byproduct of them possessing the unique Earth genetic code from that fruit. This is just one way to look at it and rationalize what’s happening, I’m sure there’s more.
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Nothing is being violated because nothing was said about otsutsukis
Only juubi jinchuriki of which the last to appear in the series was kaguya
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do you guys think that shibai used omni to make kaguya betray her clan?
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In the official, Boruto says that he “takes in” the planetary chakra, others translated it as him absorbing it. Meaning is the same, I suppose. But whatever, I think this jutsu is just esoteric. Whether Boruto “tethers” people to planetary forces or somehow repeatedly absorbs KE without slowing down the planet, I dont want to bother thinking about this jutsu anymore for now. I am fine with other people putting the jutsu at 600 zettatons, but in my “personal” scaling, I would like to see more confirmation that the jutsu hits with planet busting levels of energy before placing it at 5-B. I think Koji was scolding Boruto for recklessly attacking the Shinju and not implying that he could have destroyed the planet with Uzuhiko with that one statement, so that one doesnt count to me.
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Either way then you’re still conceding that a fight with the Shinju could destroy the planet. Meaning any way you cut this pie some part of Boruto’s arsenal and the Shinju arsenals can bust the planet. So then do you just have them all around roughly planetary? How do you rationalize Koji’s statement in your scaling?
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Omnipotence doesnt work on Otsutuski so no
HelloThere1089
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I don't quite remember the phrasing, and I don't necessarily disagree with the planet busting interpretation, but one interpretation could be that if Boruto gets himself devoured, it could mean the end of the planet. The only counter I remember currently is if the official translations phrased it like "instantly destroy the planet" or sumn. That would make it impossible to not be a planet busting statement.
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Yes the fan translations were wrong
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I just see it as Koji implying that Boruto could have been defeated and captured, then devoured, which would lead to the planets destruction. Boruto told Shikamaru that the planet will die if he or Kawaki get devoured since that would lead to the Shinju further evolving and producing a chakra fruit.
I think in the official, Koji just said ‘are you trying to destroy this planet’? Iirc, it was actually fan translations that made it sound like what you said, more so implying planet busting.
HelloThere1089
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The problem with that is if Boruto indeed got devoured in the Shinju fight, the only planet that would get destroyed is the one in the Kara Dimension. So that makes it weird for Koji to be that concerned about Earth.
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They could just drag him through a claw mark after beating him, then devour him.
Alternative explanation could be that we dont know if the Shinju would evolve into an ordinary, giant tree kind of Shinju after being devoured. Maybe they turn into some different kind of being, since they are already some kind of mutated Shinju to begin with, so it is possible that they could travel to Earth and produce a chakra fruit after evolving. Jura is still planning on eating Kawaki, and I doubt that he wants to become a giant tree that cant do anything other than draining everything after gaining self awareness. Boruto also implied that the future that he wants to prevent is worse than Code using the Juubi to get Earths chakra fruit by killing everyone, suggesting that things wont be that simple.
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can someone just help us with the official translation for that page?
HelloThere1089
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Why would they do that? Are they programmed to attack Earth only? Their instinct is only to devour Otsutsuki, not to devour them on Earth specifically. They have so far shown absolutely no desire or ill will against the planet Earth specifically.
This is just headcanon. Unless some info is revealed that suggests this, it makes more sense to go with the least amount of assumptions.
Yeah. That's kinda the reason why they are resisting their instincts. Specifically because they will lose their Ego and become a giant tree. It's in that very chapter.
This doesn't prove anything. This doesn't mean the Shinju will stay sentient after devouring an Otsutsuki. If they could, then they would have no reason to postpone their instincts.
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Well, if they do decide to devour an Otsutsuki, I just dont think they would want to drain Jigens seemingly empty, lifeless planet. Its not explicitly mentioned and it might not be instinctual, but it makes sense that they would want to put down their roots in a better place. However, we still need to learn more about them and the future Boruto wants to prevent. They are likely to target Earth for one reason or another based on what he has said.
Unless if Uzuhiko being potentially dangerous to the planet is mentioned again, which it should since Boruto seemingly intends to keep using it on Earth, I will interpret Kojis statement as referring to Boruto gets devoured = ruined planet.
Yes, its just an alternative, potential explanation. I think the first one I mention is simpler and more likely to be fitting for now.
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Iirc, the context of the conversation was in regards to the Shinju. Koji told Boruto to retreat and Boruto didn’t immediately retreat. When he started to get packed out, Koji pleaded with him to retreat again, telling him if he goes does it’s the end of everything. When Boruto finally retreats and Koni meets him at the Sasuke Tree (
) he makes the “Are you trying to Destroy this world?” Comment but the overall context is still in regard to Shinju.
It seriously doesn’t seem like Uzuhiko was the reference. And depending on the threat level of the Shinju “overall”, Koji’s statement could be potentially viewed as “Are you trying to destroy this Reality/Universe?” And I don’t think it’s too far-fetched given the inclusion of Reality/Universe altering abilities like Omnipotence.
At this point, everything really hinges on what Koji “Saw”. Maybe he somehow gained the ability to see the future like the Toad Sage(?).
) he makes the “Are you trying to Destroy this world?” Comment but the overall context is still in regard to Shinju.It seriously doesn’t seem like Uzuhiko was the reference. And depending on the threat level of the Shinju “overall”, Koji’s statement could be potentially viewed as “Are you trying to destroy this Reality/Universe?” And I don’t think it’s too far-fetched given the inclusion of Reality/Universe altering abilities like Omnipotence.
At this point, everything really hinges on what Koji “Saw”. Maybe he somehow gained the ability to see the future like the Toad Sage(?).
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I don't know if I asked this in the past or not, but what are y'alls opinions on TSO having Macro-Quantum Deconstruction via being arguably capable of deconstructing Lightning Style?
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Goku AND Ichigo? Saitama better hit the gym.
And Light can't even affect any enemy other than Eren, who can probably regen from a heart attack anyway.
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Idk about you, but planet never really meant universe.Iirc, the context of the conversation was in regards to the Shinju. Koji told Boruto to retreat and Boruto didn’t immediately retreat. When he started to get packed out, Koji pleaded with him to retreat again, telling him if he goes does it’s the end of everything. When Boruto finally retreats and Koni meets him at the Sasuke Tree (
It seriously doesn’t seem like Uzuhiko was the reference. And depending on the threat level of the Shinju “overall”, Koji’s statement could be potentially viewed as “Are you trying to destroy this Reality/Universe?” And I don’t think it’s too far-fetched given the inclusion of Reality/Universe altering abilities like Omnipotence.
At this point, everything really hinges on what Koji “Saw”. Maybe he somehow gained the ability to see the future like the Toad Sage(?).
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Imagine Boruto's about to get dropped by Jura, can't move, goes "damnit, looks like I'll have to use that form," but then Koji shows up, fights Jura, scares him off(kinda like Jiraiya vs Itachi and Kisame), oneshots Kawaki, and carries Boruto away.
That'd be peak, I love Koji.
That'd be peak, I love Koji.
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It’s really not. Again, it depends on Context but “world” can mean Planet/Society/Reality/Universe.
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Ah, he said “Planet”, not “World”. Either way, contextually it’s still in reference to the Shinju.Idk about you, but planet never really meant universe.
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The only possible way this is a fight unless idk something crazy about Luffy or that Jojo character is if you really wank Infinity, but even then
Sukuna can neutralize it with DE, allowing someone else to one shot him, or if it's Current Sukuna, just bypass it with Space Slash
HelloThere1089
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Real. Pretty sure that's what's going on in Treesuke's mind rn.
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Yeah so no matter what it doesn't mean universe you goon
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Giorno has Gold Experience Requiem. Not only can it create animals out of things to adapt to their environment, some of which reflect damage like Daemon, it also has telekinesis and can negate the effects of events would harm Giorno by using an ability that goes at... essentially infinite speed?
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What if after that, Isshiki was brought back, and Naruto and Sasuke had to throw it back at the same time to beat him?
MinatoSparkle
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That's cool. There are arguments for Goku having Infinite/Immeasurable speed though
MinatoSparkle
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I just thought about something. Wouldn't the Rasengan used to kill Momoshiki be a lot stronger than just Base Naruto's Cho Oodama Rasengan since Boruto infused lightning chakra into it to make it a vanishing variant?
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Going for the highest possibility of the four which can even be deemed as an outlier is far fetched.
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GER is the only thing here i can see preventing them from getting clapped and even that is purely defensively.
also who put Light on this team when when the death note wont work on 99% of the other team
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its also stronger because its the cho cho odama rasengan not just Cho
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naruto knows where power comes from
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"Gee, Vegeta, at the infinite rate we're going, we're gonna run out this 48-minute timer!"
Do you mean the stuff from the Granolah Saga?
